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[Q] TvZ Mech guide?

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MoeMoeKyun
Profile Joined January 2009
United States215 Posts
February 02 2009 21:50 GMT
#1
I used the search but only saw people asking for corrections on there play, Z players asking how to beat, is it imba, etc.

Can someone explain the mechanics of playing as mech, like expansion timing, and how many facts to have, and so on.

Thanks in advance!
I lol in ur general direction
DeathByMonkeys
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States742 Posts
February 02 2009 23:13 GMT
#2
1. Replays
2. Youtube
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-03 03:20:25
February 03 2009 02:55 GMT
#3
On February 03 2009 08:13 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
1. Replays
2. Youtube


wow thanks for a fucking useless post. Great job, hes asking for in depth advice and timings i.e with explanations and rationale for doing things in the build and such.

edit: I suppose my post isnt useful either...but geez come on.

edit 2: now I think this is an fpvod by oystein where he uses a mech variation on medusa and he explains some things http://files.filefront.com/FPVodwithaudiowmv/;12848608;/fileinfo.html
KewlBeanZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
18 Posts
February 03 2009 03:10 GMT
#4
This thread came up on search. I think it's kind of useful for guidelines, but I dunno besides that sorry :<
81447M4N
MONSTEr2
Profile Joined February 2009
United States43 Posts
February 03 2009 04:34 GMT
#5
fanstasy build mine the larva kill mutas :D
2 bases 6 facts
3 bases 10+ facts
jaedong vs light on medusa is a amazing terran destruction game

fanastasy vs ggplay


harass is the key to mech with vultures and valks
just build up a crazy huge army and 1a2a3a4a ;D
stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
February 03 2009 07:18 GMT
#6
zvt mech ruins the mu imo and there is yet to be an extensive guide that goes beyond 5 hatch hydra with ling and sometimes muta support
life is short, dont F it up
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15352 Posts
February 03 2009 07:42 GMT
#7
On February 03 2009 08:13 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
1. Replays
2. Youtube

This is *not* how you post in the Strategy Forum. How is about you make up for that and post a couple of pro TvZ mech replays plus a couple of exemplary Youtube videos?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-03 08:08:29
February 03 2009 08:06 GMT
#8
If you haven't seen Day[9]'s Terran Revolutionist, go take a look; it describes the strengths and weaknesses of the build fantasy used to dismantle GGPlay

Here's the general build; keep in mind that it's somewhat map-dependant:
On October 18 2008 10:13 Day[9] wrote:
1) Wall in and gas on 12
2) Build a factory ASAP
3) When factory finishes, build the addon and begin a starport
4) When the factory addon finishes, begin producing vultures (up to 4) and upgrading mines+speed
5) When you can, get a CC at your expansion and start producing a dropship, get an armory for +1 attack upgrade, and try to sneak vultures in the front. Be sure to lay mines in front of zerg’s main if you can’t get in.
6) Add on a 2nd factory, drop harass w/ vultures + mines, build 1 valkyrie and start goliath-ing, your expo should be done by now.

One thing is that you should build the first vulture before the addon; you'll still get mines in time to stop any allin hydras, you'll be much safer from zergling breakins, and you'll be able to force the Zerg to turtle up a bit earlier.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
February 03 2009 08:12 GMT
#9
Fantasy's mech variation isn't the only style of mech that people play. Valkyries are never used anymore. Terrans don't get dropships that often. I see mass vulture style and straight up goliaths into goliaths and tank style.

There are many ways of playing mech. Someone gosu should write a guide. SuperJongMan should translate one.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
February 03 2009 08:51 GMT
#10
On February 03 2009 17:12 T.O.P. wrote:
Fantasy's mech variation isn't the only style of mech that people play. Valkyries are never used anymore. Terrans don't get dropships that often. I see mass vulture style and straight up goliaths into goliaths and tank style.

There are many ways of playing mech. Someone gosu should write a guide. SuperJongMan should translate one.

It might not still be popular, but it's still a solid build, especially on Medusa
Here's a nice FPVOD of it
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 03 2009 14:43 GMT
#11
Even on Medusa, Terrans don't use the Fantasy mech build anymore. It just seems like goliaths are more useful and cost-efficient than valkyries most of the time.
repo_mech
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada15 Posts
February 18 2009 19:49 GMT
#12
I used the search function for "TvZ mech" and came up with a number of threads (some dating back to 2003), all of which I have now read, and watched the youtube pro-replays. Most of them seemed to be discussing the reasons behind a recent surge in TvZ mech, or debating the pros and cons and counters in a general sense, none of them seemed to contain the answer to the following question, so I'm going to ask it here:

Does anyone know of a generic BO opening for TvZ mech (the common style with gols/tanks and I guess vults - not valks or drops or anything like that). I realize this is really dependent on maps (because some can support ling proof walls, others not etc.), what the zerg is doing, and would need to be modified in situations, but I am just looking to have some generic BO to survive early game and get an expansion up that I can practice. I watch the youtube pro-replays and I can't figure out BO's from them because the supply numbers are too blurry and the perspective keeps bouncing all over the place. The more detail the better as I am a really new player who is still learning some basics so often even the obvious needs to be pointed out to me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. If someone happens to have a replay floating around that would be awesome as well.


mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
February 18 2009 20:42 GMT
#13
There are several fpvods by Stylish with mech, and I believe theres one by merz as well, check the broodwar section for fpvods.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
February 18 2009 21:05 GMT
#14
Day[9] posted an audio lecture. I don't remember where it is exactly, but it helps a lot. Try looking for it.
stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
February 18 2009 23:25 GMT
#15
or dont be a dick by not going mech tvz.
life is short, dont F it up
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 18 2009 23:38 GMT
#16
Youre not gonna get a real response to your very broad questions with the effort you placed so..do your homework first.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Masteroderus
Profile Joined February 2009
6 Posts
February 18 2009 23:44 GMT
#17
+ Show Spoiler +
wow really?
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
February 18 2009 23:54 GMT
#18
TvP except use goliaths? As a zerg player, I can't comment on the build order or what style is best, but it's obviously not a simple answer. There are a lot of ways to play mech, some terrans go for 5-6 fac push with almost pure goliaths. Some turtle as hard as possible.

As a zerg player i can say that mech builds are way more effective and annoying if the terran has a good vulture usage. Vultures may not be as effective in big battles, but they are just as effective at killing drones as they are probes, and mine fields can be just as powerful as vs P. Most zergs are good at taking 20 more expos with basic defenses, but are not prepared for a vutlure harass like in TvP.
repo_mech
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada15 Posts
February 19 2009 00:38 GMT
#19
On February 19 2009 08:38 Cloud wrote:
Youre not gonna get a real response to your very broad questions with the effort you placed so..do your homework first.


That's fine. I'm not trying to be lazy (I bothered to search the forums and I spent hours reading those threads before I posted my question, and hours watching youtube replays), I am a sh*tty 50 APM player who only recently started playing the game and I am trying to improve. I don't even know what the "homework" to do is, so even just referring me to something I need to study is appreciated, or telling me how/why I am asking the wrong question - I'll do the work (for example the two posters above gave me suggestions to look at and I am about to go out and research them, see what I learn). There may be reasons there is no "generic BO" right from the start in mech TvZ - but I wouldn't know that, nor how to narrow my question much because I am still learning the basic idea. All I know is that there are generic BO's for siege/expand in TvP - so I thought I would ask about one for TvZ mech (since I read that TvZ mech while not a cake walk by any means is easier on the APM specifically).

In general I have had a hard time finding BO's in the strategy forums and tend to stumble across them by accident in threads, and its not due to lack of search/reading effort on my part. Either I am missing something or I am looking in the wrong place.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 19 2009 00:49 GMT
#20
Destination and colosseum 2 and chupung(neo harmony) are maps where mech is common, look for vods on those maps.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
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