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GHOSTCLAW

United States17042 Posts

November 09 2008 04:23 GMT

#301

On November 09 2008 12:52 Avidkeystamper wrote:

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HOLY CRAP THAT WAS A CONSTRUCTIVE POST!
We really needed to know that.

Where do we nominate people to be banned?

You can't. I think that the mods stopped paying attention to the thread until we actually either A) got useful results that rendered this as viable/not or B) until interest in this strategy died.

Misrah

United States1695 Posts

November 09 2008 07:21 GMT

#302

Ok i have some more

The luna game is really really good, shows transition into ultra. This terran went pure m&M and tank. I have a sweet flank, he takes my bait and leaves all of his tanks undefended. I run in when he is distracted and snipe a few. On the other hand- i kept on forgetting to build queens

it would have made my life so much easier

The scond game (on python) is just a joke
I reap this kid with Cocaine- and then fool with him. Watch for a joke i guess

Luna Game- http://www.mediafire.com/?zzzhylymwyz

Joke game- http://www.mediafire.com/?wkjd5l4mjzy

United States6173 Posts

November 09 2008 08:31 GMT

#303

I dont know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Jaedong did something like this build in a game when he was on Bnet Attack (or some show like it). It was on Python, and his handicap was hydras only...

The terran played decently, but wasn't terribly aggressive in the early game. With pure monstrous macro and good flanks (taking full advantage of the mobility hydras grant), he was able to take the game. He didn't even starve the terran...

I haven't been keeping up on this thread in very much detail, but it sounds like an interesting idea to me.

village_idiot

2436 Posts

November 09 2008 08:40 GMT

#304

On November 09 2008 17:31 PH wrote:
I dont know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Jaedong did something like this build in a game when he was on Bnet Attack (or some show like it). It was on Python, and his handicap was hydras only...

The terran played decently, but wasn't terribly aggressive in the early game. With pure monstrous macro and good flanks (taking full advantage of the mobility hydras grant), he was able to take the game. He didn't even starve the terran...

I haven't been keeping up on this thread in very much detail, but it sounds like an interesting idea to me.

I remember that.

Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army.

Misrah

United States1695 Posts

November 09 2008 08:55 GMT

#305

On November 09 2008 17:40 village_idiot wrote:

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I remember that.

Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army.

I actually made that happen a bit in the luna game. I'm still to much of a noob with this Bo to fully use all of the new nuances and this opens to the zerg player

United States6173 Posts

November 09 2008 11:13 GMT

#306

On November 09 2008 17:40 village_idiot wrote:

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I remember that.

Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army.

Yeah, he didn't keep his ball together...but from the other perspective, let's just say that Jaedong attacked at all the right times, and executed flanks perfectly.

Deathfate

Spain555 Posts

November 09 2008 13:12 GMT

#307

Well misrah, i watched your game on luna i have to say i dont like it at all, first of all as you said you dont use queen and sacrifice them for nothing, i think you only use ensare once. your expansion should have a gas because would have a better economy in the end to make more ultras. I just think if the terran would have use better his economy would have won without any effort, you allow him to expand at 9 o'clock also, i would use this strat to make a "contain", if he tries to get out you flank him and punish him because he doesnt have enough tanks, when he has enough tank with only 2 expos, you already have ultras, if not span ensare and broodling to buy time for ultras to come. I will post some reps if i can manage to play as i want.

village_idiot

2436 Posts

November 09 2008 13:51 GMT

#308

I just watched the reps misrah posted and the things that blatantly caught the eye are:

Not using queens properly.

There are too few queens and ensnare is never cast properly. You engage the ball with your main army and then try to cast ensnare. This basically causes half of your army to die in vain and even when using ensnare you usually only manage to hit a small part of the army. The optimal way of casting ensnare is using parasite and then cloning the queens to hit as much as possible. What makes this hard is that the Terran ball is always moving! Queens are not as easy to use as it seems and they actually require a lot of skilled micro.

Bad opponents

The Terrans you play with all have 1000 minerals at the 10 minute mark. Even then you are struggling with the Terran army. I think that when you meet a Terran with better macro you will get steamrolled no questions asked.

Anyway, the flanking is good enough which causes the Terrans to die. You just need to find more APM to do the ensnaring properly as well as find better opponents to play with.

Deathfate

Spain555 Posts

November 09 2008 15:52 GMT

#309

well this is my version of coke style, it is pretty like a lurker contain on zvp but this time only with zerling and hydra, im only a d+ player and my opponent also but i think i can give you an idea of what it could be. Enjoy it and i need critics to improve my play.

Some mistakes i think i made are:

1 - my second evo is late, so my melee upgrades are late too.

2- I have a very bad scout, i missed that dropship that just pass through my ovi.But as i said i could use broodling on the medic in order to deal with it.

3- My micro is very poor and i should have start making defilers sooner in order to attack him, i could have also expand 1 more time.

REP:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mun2mznmnnd/cokestyle1.rep

Stimpacked

Philippines368 Posts

November 09 2008 17:44 GMT

#310

I watched only 1 of your replays and that was the Luna game where you said it was a really really good game? Wtf that wasn't even good that was worst. First off, was this a d/d- game? The T didnt have dropships and even a starport the whole game he also have very bad macro, right after he expanded he had like 1000+ and he only added 1racks. You didnt have spire, you can even shift to mutas coz he dont have turrets and win very early. You had 2 queens but i even didnt saw a good ensnare. You ensnared on sieged tanks on the middle of the map and your hydraling flank didnt do nothing. You said on your arguement that you can have 6-7 groups at 10 min mark but that was like 2-3 groups and did nothing to the little terran ball he has. Its not the hydra/ling/queen that won you the game it was the ultras and T just sit there and let you expand like shit. Nice theorycrafting but i just dont think this strat is viable well against me I think.

Misrah

United States1695 Posts

November 09 2008 18:26 GMT

#311

Hmm some very good criticisms from everyone. What can i say? I need to practice this build more.

Perhaps you are right. This may not work against competent opponents- but i am going to try it out for a few more days at least. Thanks everyone for spending the time to watch the reps, and post some replies.

I guess that i had gotten a bit optimistic with this strat lol

if anyone still cares, i plan on posting a few more reps, but whatever.

Deathfate

Spain555 Posts

November 09 2008 18:31 GMT

#312

The strat is completly viable i think, you are not in better position if ur muta harras fails or if ur groups of lurker get picked by a good marine control. I think this strat put you in a better position.

Geo.Rion

7377 Posts

November 09 2008 18:37 GMT

#313

On November 09 2008 17:55 Misrah wrote:

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I actually made that happen a bit in the luna game. I'm still to much of a noob with this Bo to fully use all of the new nuances and this opens to the zerg player

on bnet attack he also went once queen + massling only. I think on BS.

Red.Cloud

Canada235 Posts

November 09 2008 19:54 GMT

#314

On November 09 2008 22:12 Battle wrote:
Well misrah, i watched your game on luna i have to say i dont like it at all, first of all as you said you dont use queen and sacrifice them for nothing, i think you only use ensare once. your expansion should have a gas because would have a better economy in the end to make more ultras. I just think if the terran would have use better his economy would have won without any effort, you allow him to expand at 9 o'clock also, i would use this strat to make a "contain", if he tries to get out you flank him and punish him because he doesnt have enough tanks, when he has enough tank with only 2 expos, you already have ultras, if not span ensare and broodling to buy time for ultras to come. I will post some reps if i can manage to play as i want.

agree in order to make your style work u need more expos, the min only was good b/c allowed for more hatch and therefore more units

Deathfate

Spain555 Posts

November 09 2008 20:10 GMT

#315

Well i have been playing some games i have won all of them with this strat, i wish some good people can use it vs a good terran player in order to see how the things goes, i have notices by the time terran player has enough tanks my ultras are out with 5-2, also parasiting dropships is very useful.

Kong John

Denmark1020 Posts

November 09 2008 20:25 GMT

#316

On November 09 2008 16:21 Misrah wrote:
Ok i have some more

The luna game is really really good, shows transition into ultra. This terran went pure m&M and tank. I have a sweet flank, he takes my bait and leaves all of his tanks undefended. I run in when he is distracted and snipe a few. On the other hand- i kept on forgetting to build queens

it would have made my life so much easier

I watched the Luna replay, and i actually think the build order is interresting. But you really dident use the queens for anything.

you got one ensnare off that dident do anything, and thats it. If you had used the gas for defilers or just more units instead your win would have been better.

But besides that the queenplay, which i had ekspected to be central, the hydraling play was nice and would have been more effective if you hadnt made any queens.

That said i think this queen build is less effektive than other builds, you might win with it, but you would have won with other builds aswell.