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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On November 09 2008 12:52 Avidkeystamper wrote: HOLY CRAP THAT WAS A CONSTRUCTIVE POST! We really needed to know that. Where do we nominate people to be banned? You can't. I think that the mods stopped paying attention to the thread until we actually either A) got useful results that rendered this as viable/not or B) until interest in this strategy died. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
The luna game is really really good, shows transition into ultra. This terran went pure m&M and tank. I have a sweet flank, he takes my bait and leaves all of his tanks undefended. I run in when he is distracted and snipe a few. On the other hand- i kept on forgetting to build queens  it would have made my life so much easier The scond game (on python) is just a joke I reap this kid with Cocaine- and then fool with him. Watch for a joke i guess Luna Game- http://www.mediafire.com/?zzzhylymwyz Joke game- http://www.mediafire.com/?wkjd5l4mjzy | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
The terran played decently, but wasn't terribly aggressive in the early game. With pure monstrous macro and good flanks (taking full advantage of the mobility hydras grant), he was able to take the game. He didn't even starve the terran... I haven't been keeping up on this thread in very much detail, but it sounds like an interesting idea to me. | ||
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:31 PH wrote: I dont know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Jaedong did something like this build in a game when he was on Bnet Attack (or some show like it). It was on Python, and his handicap was hydras only... The terran played decently, but wasn't terribly aggressive in the early game. With pure monstrous macro and good flanks (taking full advantage of the mobility hydras grant), he was able to take the game. He didn't even starve the terran... I haven't been keeping up on this thread in very much detail, but it sounds like an interesting idea to me. I remember that. Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:40 village_idiot wrote: I remember that. Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army. I actually made that happen a bit in the luna game. I'm still to much of a noob with this Bo to fully use all of the new nuances and this opens to the zerg player | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:40 village_idiot wrote: I remember that. Jaedong went pure hydra and the Terran played very stupid, often separating his tanks from the main army. Yeah, he didn't keep his ball together...but from the other perspective, let's just say that Jaedong attacked at all the right times, and executed flanks perfectly.  | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
Not using queens properly. There are too few queens and ensnare is never cast properly. You engage the ball with your main army and then try to cast ensnare. This basically causes half of your army to die in vain and even when using ensnare you usually only manage to hit a small part of the army. The optimal way of casting ensnare is using parasite and then cloning the queens to hit as much as possible. What makes this hard is that the Terran ball is always moving! Queens are not as easy to use as it seems and they actually require a lot of skilled micro. Bad opponents The Terrans you play with all have 1000 minerals at the 10 minute mark. Even then you are struggling with the Terran army. I think that when you meet a Terran with better macro you will get steamrolled no questions asked. Anyway, the flanking is good enough which causes the Terrans to die. You just need to find more APM to do the ensnaring properly as well as find better opponents to play with. | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
Some mistakes i think i made are: 1 - my second evo is late, so my melee upgrades are late too. 2- I have a very bad scout, i missed that dropship that just pass through my ovi.But as i said i could use broodling on the medic in order to deal with it. 3- My micro is very poor and i should have start making defilers sooner in order to attack him, i could have also expand 1 more time. REP: http://www.mediafire.com/file/mun2mznmnnd/cokestyle1.rep | ||
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Stimpacked
Philippines368 Posts
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
Perhaps you are right. This may not work against competent opponents- but i am going to try it out for a few more days at least. Thanks everyone for spending the time to watch the reps, and post some replies. I guess that i had gotten a bit optimistic with this strat lol  if anyone still cares, i plan on posting a few more reps, but whatever. | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 09 2008 17:55 Misrah wrote: I actually made that happen a bit in the luna game. I'm still to much of a noob with this Bo to fully use all of the new nuances and this opens to the zerg player on bnet attack he also went once queen + massling only. I think on BS. | ||
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Red.Cloud
Canada235 Posts
On November 09 2008 22:12 Battle wrote: Well misrah, i watched your game on luna i have to say i dont like it at all, first of all as you said you dont use queen and sacrifice them for nothing, i think you only use ensare once. your expansion should have a gas because would have a better economy in the end to make more ultras. I just think if the terran would have use better his economy would have won without any effort, you allow him to expand at 9 o'clock also, i would use this strat to make a "contain", if he tries to get out you flank him and punish him because he doesnt have enough tanks, when he has enough tank with only 2 expos, you already have ultras, if not span ensare and broodling to buy time for ultras to come. I will post some reps if i can manage to play as i want. agree in order to make your style work u need more expos, the min only was good b/c allowed for more hatch and therefore more units | ||
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Deathfate
Spain555 Posts
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
On November 09 2008 16:21 Misrah wrote: Ok i have some more The luna game is really really good, shows transition into ultra. This terran went pure m&M and tank. I have a sweet flank, he takes my bait and leaves all of his tanks undefended. I run in when he is distracted and snipe a few. On the other hand- i kept on forgetting to build queens it would have made my life so much easier The scond game (on python) is just a joke I reap this kid with Cocaine- and then fool with him. Watch for a joke i guess Luna Game- http://www.mediafire.com/?zzzhylymwyz Joke game- http://www.mediafire.com/?wkjd5l4mjzy I watched the Luna replay, and i actually think the build order is interresting. But you really dident use the queens for anything. you got one ensnare off that dident do anything, and thats it. If you had used the gas for defilers or just more units instead your win would have been better. But besides that the queenplay, which i had ekspected to be central, the hydraling play was nice and would have been more effective if you hadnt made any queens. That said i think this queen build is less effektive than other builds, you might win with it, but you would have won with other builds aswell. | ||
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MiStAh
United States98 Posts
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
China685 Posts
Known D/C hacker. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
On November 10 2008 06:20 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote: Someone Ban MiStaH. I'm sure he's MistAhDoRan on iccup. Known D/C hacker. Wait!! I played that guy!!!!! He somehow walked right to my hidden 3rd,and then my hidden 4th. SO i wasn't just sucking it up lol. | ||
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
China685 Posts
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