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On September 25 2008 11:58 crabapple wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 22:57 Chill wrote:
Seriously, stop working on this immediately.
1. We're already doing it
2. We're already doing it CORRECTLY so when ppl ask for an ultimate guide to leagues, u guys say, stop ur crying, it's not that hard to figure out. and when someone goes ahead and tries to consolidate and organize something else, u tell them to stop. for as long as TL has been around, why don't we have either as of it's whatever-th birthday?
Woah man chill down, cool your jets, don't have a cow and all that.
Just a warning, for somebody named chill he is definitely not
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On September 24 2008 22:58 Chill wrote:
Because
1. We're already doing it
2. We're already doing it CORRECTLY
Chill, what is the estimated release on this.
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They'll ship it when its done.
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Terran vs Protoss: What's the exact build order for "Flash build"? When protoss decides to go reavers terran will have 2 goliaths is this correct?
Terran vs Zerg: When facing a zerg the Interval between zerg's third expo while creating mutas is almost nearly impossible for terran to stop third expo? So when zerg decides to go Mutas instead of lurkers terran doesn't have time enough time to really stop that third expo, unless terran scouted early and spotted spire building which then terran will be looking for 3rd.
Terran vs Terran: In TvT when one terran decides to go 2 factories and other terran decides to go 1 fact and 1 starport. What are the essential goals for each terran? Is the 2 fact terran goals is to macro and protect from cloaked wraiths? Is the terran w/ 1fact 1star to harass terran's scv lineup? or can the terran proceed with a 2 tank dropship harrass?
The whole terran vs terran match up still confuses me today. I've been playing competitively for nearly 4-5 years and yet still do not understand this match up. If someone could also enlighten me on the thinking process of TvT i'll appreciate it.
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On September 25 2008 11:51 crabapple wrote:question about zerg > general >9 pool speedlings. Show nested quote +9 Pool Speedlings
9 Spawning Pool
8 Drone
9 Overlord
8 Drone
9 Extractor
8 Six zerglings
Upgrade Metabolic Boost with your first 100 gas, and take off drones after the 100 gas is mined (preferably 1 at 88, 1 at 96, 1 at 104 gas). Mass lings, or expand, depending on success of rush. 1) when u get to 8 drone, i'm confused. the step b4 is 9 overlord. so why would the next step be 8 drone? there is no drone lost when making overlord. 2) also, it should probably be explicitly stated about when you get your first 100 gas to click the upgrade. as well as the drone transfer to extractor (yes, obviously you're going to send 3 drones as soon as it finishes, but for the sake of completeness and unquestionable absoluticity, it might be a good idea to list it in the BO.) i like what ur doing. there should be an organized thread for learning the basic builds without having to pore thru independent threads and filter out thru noob questions and opinionated comments. good luck. i'm too lazy to do this. maybe u can do an ultimate guide for the leagues, where u outline rules, format etc. there are some good ones, but still, it can always be organized in one thread, even if its simply a link to that exact thread. cheers! =)
i believe its just a small error. i think its 9 overlord, 9 extractor, 8 drone. ill fix it now.
On September 25 2008 11:56 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
I can see a string of Bans by Chill?
Seriously though,
Overpool speed as Mondragon does it seems to usually be
9 Overlord
9 Pool
9 Drone
10 gas
9 Drone
6-12 lings
While making lings, pull drones off gas one by one at 88 gas, get ling speed
15 Expand
17 Expand
At least from what I have seem of Mondragon replays. He modifies it usually after this and also in the number of lings he makes. Do some runbys, it's fun.
:D
This is mondragons ZvP Build (i think) but ill add it.
and what do you mean by string of bans?
On September 25 2008 12:41 Sins wrote:
Terran vs Protoss: What's the exact build order for "Flash build"? When protoss decides to go reavers terran will have 2 goliaths is this correct?
Terran vs Zerg: When facing a zerg the Interval between zerg's third expo while creating mutas is almost nearly impossible for terran to stop third expo? So when zerg decides to go Mutas instead of lurkers terran doesn't have time enough time to really stop that third expo, unless terran scouted early and spotted spire building which then terran will be looking for 3rd.
Terran vs Terran: In TvT when one terran decides to go 2 factories and other terran decides to go 1 fact and 1 starport. What are the essential goals for each terran? Is the 2 fact terran goals is to macro and protect from cloaked wraiths? Is the terran w/ 1fact 1star to harass terran's scv lineup? or can the terran proceed with a 2 tank dropship harrass?
The whole terran vs terran match up still confuses me today. I've been playing competitively for nearly 4-5 years and yet still do not understand this match up. If someone could also enlighten me on the thinking process of TvT i'll appreciate it.
ill add these questions in.
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Calgary25997 Posts
On September 25 2008 12:00 nevake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 22:58 Chill wrote:
Because
1. We're already doing it
2. We're already doing it CORRECTLY Chill, what is the estimated release on this.
It could be released now but there's some internal discussion about how "done" it should be before released.
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Why not just release it now and then update it if it needs revising? I'm sure people would want to take advantage of it ASAP.
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you might wanna check out my ultimate zerg guide...
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On September 26 2008 04:48 Ahzz wrote:
you might wanna check out my ultimate zerg guide...
could you link me to it? im busy and dont have time to search it right now.
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is typing ultimate zerg guide in the search box too hard for you or something
seriously.
Even if TL wasn't already doing this, it'd still be a bad idea. Basically you're making a guide, taking credit for and everything, yet you're actually contributing less to it than anyone else in this thread. You haven't even written anything up on your own, you're just copy and pasting posts from other people. People you have no idea about their skill level, or how accurate their information may be and really just from the general attitude displayed in doing that in and of itself makes you look bad and as if you don't know what you're talking about. Not to mention even if you had written it yourself I'd probably claw my eyes out attemping to read it because when you're reading huge walls of texts terrible grammar and poor spelling really start to get to you
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On September 26 2008 06:18 Tropics wrote:
Basically you're making a guide, taking credit for and everything, yet you're actually contributing less to it than anyone else in this thread.
i am not taking credit for it. im not making a guide for those reasons, this thread is for me to get information for either to make a guide explaining things the TL admins might miss, or so that i can help with editing thier guide('s)
On September 26 2008 06:18 Tropics wrote:
You haven't even written anything up on your own, you're just copy and pasting posts from other people. People you have no idea about their skill level, or how accurate their information may be...
i haven't writtin anything up for a guide at all yet. those builds you see are not guides. they are there for other ppl to look at and maybe correct it if they see errors or add to it if something was left out.
your right, i have no idea about the skil level or accuracy of the information. but its still better than no information. after several ppl tell me thier own opinion on a build, then i get more and more accurate information.
On September 26 2008 06:18 Tropics wrote:
the general attitude displayed in doing that in and of itself makes you look bad and as if you don't know what you're talking about.
well i DONT know what im talking about 1/2 the time. but if i wanted to go on my own advice instead of others i would already be done with all of this a long time ago. i want solid, concrete, and correct info before i submit it to anywhere. whether it these forums or the thing TL staff is already doing.
On September 26 2008 06:18 Tropics wrote:
Not to mention even if you had written it yourself I'd probably claw my eyes out attemping to read it because when you're reading huge walls of texts terrible grammar and poor spelling really start to get to you
i DO have bad grammer and i am sorry, but i wont be writing the actual guide itself. im only collecting info for others.i hope everyone gets that through thier head.
I AM COLLECTING INFORMATION THAT CAN BE VIEWED IN 1 EASY TO FIND SPOT FOR A FUTURE GUIDE, ANY GUIDE, NOT JUST MINE IF I MAKE ONE.
kind of like the reccomended threads page, but instead its for ppl making the guides, not reading them.
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Calgary25997 Posts
Well, for example, your two Zerg guides are already wrong.
9 Pool Speed is 9 Pool 8 Drone 9 Extractor 8 Overlord
and your Overpool build magically gets an extra Drone somehow.
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There you go. Now to prove how good an idea like this can be, Chill will now unveil the TL ultimate guide!... right?
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On September 26 2008 07:36 Salv wrote:
There you go. Now to prove how good an idea like this can be, Chill will now unveil the TL ultimate guide!... right?
its not done... why would he throw an incomplete guide out there?
On September 26 2008 07:03 Chill wrote:
Well, for example, your two Zerg guides are already wrong.
9 Pool Speed is 9 Pool 8 Drone 9 Extractor 8 Overlord
and your Overpool build magically gets an extra Drone somehow.
....and what was so hard about giving me a correct build instead of saying im doing it all wrong? 
to be serious..
do you know the correct overpool and correct 9 pool builds? (for each Zerg matchup)
On September 26 2008 08:09 Elite]v[arine wrote:
its not done... why would he throw an incomplete guide out there?
i can almost forsee what your going to say salv, so to answer it. this here post that you are reading, is in fact, not a guide!!! it is a thread to obtain info (i have alraedy siad that like 20 times)
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On September 26 2008 07:03 Chill wrote:
Well, for example, your two Zerg guides are already wrong.
9 Pool Speed is 9 Pool 8 Drone 9 Extractor 8 Overlord
and your Overpool build magically gets an extra Drone somehow.
can i ask you a question.
when doing the extractor glitch for an overpool build or even 12 hatchery (or whatever build that doesn't involve keeping the gyser up)
is having that extra drone a few seconds sooner worth sacrificing the 16 minerals (1/3 of buidling cost) from building cancel?
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do you have the weird new TvZ wraith build?
that seems to be getting more and more popular
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I shudder to think what the strat forum was like before Chill came along.
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What is the best way of using the next maps:
1-Python.
2-Othello.
3-Andromeda.
4-Longinus.
5-Withering Heights.
6-Troy
7-Colosseum
Is it Better to FE, or is it better to play aggressive.
Being Protoss,Zerg,Terran, what map sites should they avoid, what map site should they use advantage on.
Where Should the 3rd expansion should be located ^^. I hope I helped and if Not tell me and il try harder
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On September 26 2008 09:54 never_Nal wrote:
What is the best way of using the next maps:
1-Python.
2-Othello.
3-Andromeda.
4-Longinus.
5-Withering Heights.
6-Troy
7-Colosseum
Is it Better to FE, or is it better to play aggressive.
Being Protoss,Zerg,Terran, what map sites should they avoid, what map site should they use advantage on.
Where Should the 3rd expansion should be located ^^. I hope I helped and if Not tell me and il try harder
although maps play some role on how fast you expand and how effective early agression is, its more a case on in game circumstances than the actual map.
im not sure... can you rephrase the question? i dont know what you mean by is it better to FE or is it better to attack early. (i think its players preference)
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On September 26 2008 09:13 capek wrote:
do you have the weird new TvZ wraith build?
that seems to be getting more and more popular
what new TvZ build? i haven't seen one. can you link me to a VOD?
or do you mean the one where they make 3 ports after fast expansion?
if its the 3 port thing can you give me the name of a person or vod link (i asked that already i guess)
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