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[Q] Drone VS Probe/SCV 'Retreating Attack Micro' - Page 2

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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-28 01:05:35
November 28 2007 00:56 GMT
#21
I've been able to consistently get the SCV to 20hp on battle.net (low lat of course), but the thing won't die

EDIT: MUAHAHAH I FUCKING DID IT :D :D :D
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 28 2007 01:17 GMT
#22
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32696

Rep of me doing it, figured I may as well post it seeing it was so nice to finally pull it off ;p
This is on USWEST low latency.
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
November 28 2007 02:45 GMT
#23
Going to download reps right now and watch.
w/e
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
November 28 2007 02:56 GMT
#24
I can do this pretty well on bnet now after some practice. I've tried this in a game, and it's sort of hard sometimes unless the opponent just leaves the scv for you to micro and doesn't pay attention to it. Usually, the opponent will be able to switch out for a fresh scv and I sometimes end up sacrificing my probe to kill that low hp scv mining in the minerals, but I don't think it is worth it because you lose scouting and a probe and he loses only his scv. I think it is a better way to try to kill his barrack (or other building) scv while avoiding the one chasing you, but lower-level players (including myself) have better things to do with that probe and with the time used to micro the probe that might not score any scv kills anyways. Everytime I start micro'ing the probe, it becomes painfully obvious to my opponent, and he remembers to switch out the scv early because he sees that I can possibly kill it.
tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-29 07:52:01
November 29 2007 07:33 GMT
#25
You're absolutely right, but this technique is more for show than practical.

On the other hand, getting a drone/probe worker kill with 5 people watching isn't bad for one's ego and demoralization of the opponent. Sometimes, weakening the worker can lead to a kill later at the mineral line, or at least mess up your opponents timing.

Mind games.

By the way, for those of you that doubt. I demonstrate this tactic can be done against the average player:

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32699

Statistics:
Teh]i[(Z) 401 APM
Yormom(T) 170 APM
*Observers: 3
*Map: Blue Storm
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-01 02:05:52
December 01 2007 02:02 GMT
#26
Just as a point of interest, I was practicing this on USwest low latency, and I decided to see how hold position works for this type of micro. I added an overlord onto the ums and grouped it with the drone in order to give it the hold command, and proceeded to outmicro the scv.

A general click timing that I established was : clickclickH-clickclickH-clickclickH, the clicks being right clicks away from the SCV i'm attacking.

This seems feasible in a real game, although at the point in the game where killing an scv with a drone could be deemed to be useful (ie. early game), you only have 1/2 overlords available to hold with; using one of them might detract a bit from your scouting

It does seem a bit easier to do with hold though. Just my two cents. If anyone wants me to upload a rep using hold I will.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 02 2007 00:32 GMT
#27
I'm going to bite the bullet and bump this (alliteration ftw) because I would like someone's opinion on using hold position for this
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Dr.Kill-Joy
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States627 Posts
December 02 2007 01:20 GMT
#28
I tried holding Position and it seems not to work. Atleast it doesnt for me.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 02 2007 01:27 GMT
#29
On December 02 2007 10:20 Dr.Kill-Joy wrote:
I tried holding Position and it seems not to work. Atleast it doesnt for me.


When grouped with an overlord? Once you get into the rhythm it seems a lot easier to me than using attack/stop+attack.
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Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-02 15:27:11
December 02 2007 03:05 GMT
#30
I tried "s" and it worked better than attack clicking. Just get close to the scv, attack, move a little bit, hit "s", and the drone will stop and spin around and attack the scv, repeat.

:D I was able to do it with 20 HP left :D

EDIT: Whoops, meant 20.
Mango @ U.S.East!
bustaBust
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada469 Posts
December 02 2007 03:13 GMT
#31
ive been trying it all this week, its hard to get the timing right on bnet :s.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 02 2007 05:07 GMT
#32
On December 02 2007 12:05 Scorpion wrote:
I tried "s" and it worked better than attack clicking. Just get close to the scv, attack, move a little bit, hit "s", and the drone will stop and spin around and attack the scv, repeat.

:D I was able to do it with 30 HP left :D


I tried this method at first, but I found that half the time the drone would stop moving, not do anything, and when the SCV attacked it just run away using stupid worker AI
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
December 02 2007 06:18 GMT
#33
On November 29 2007 16:33 tehAscender wrote:
Teh]i[(Z) 401 APM


Holy shit. This is your regular APM?
^-^
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-02 19:16:30
December 02 2007 19:16 GMT
#34
I seem to have an unhealthy fascination with this :p
Dr.Kill-Joy, and any others who are having trouble using hold, I made this shabby FPVOD of me doing it on Extra High Latency. Flame as necessary

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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
December 02 2007 20:24 GMT
#35
ShaLLow that is a kick ass vid. ^_^
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
December 02 2007 23:29 GMT
#36
On December 02 2007 14:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2007 12:05 Scorpion wrote:
I tried "s" and it worked better than attack clicking. Just get close to the scv, attack, move a little bit, hit "s", and the drone will stop and spin around and attack the scv, repeat.

:D I was able to do it with 30 HP left :D


I tried this method at first, but I found that half the time the drone would stop moving, not do anything, and when the SCV attacked it just run away using stupid worker AI


Yeah, this started happening to me too. I started moving and hitting "a" and clicking behind the drone (like when you micro goons, move back, attack-move anywhere(usually in the same direction), move back again) and repeat) and it worked better :D

I played on ICCup and used this method with probes on SCVs and one guy left cause I killed his SCV in this way.

:D
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