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[Q] Drone VS Probe/SCV 'Retreating Attack Micro'

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tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-29 08:26:49
November 24 2007 05:11 GMT
#1
This is my first post so bare with me, I am not new to starcraft.

I am considering the possibility I am wrong, and this trick is only applicable to SCVs since Probes have extra range.

Basically, the micro involves the drone running away, scv attempt to aggress, the drone stops, when the SCV is in range the drone spins around and attacks once, then runs away without sustaining damage, repeat.

I think I understand the crude method of doing this however would like to see if any constructive feedback exists.

The crude method is simply, run, when scv comes in range, attack it, then run quickly.

Example of learning a better method was muta versus scourge micro. Thanks to any help in advance.

If this explanation is still not clear I will try to find a replay/clip with it later, but it's not that common since it is not very practical.

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HERE IS THE SOLUTION:
Drone vs SCV map I modified (tehAscender):
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]http://www.geocities.com/beyondermark2/drone-scv.scm


Replay example on above map:
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http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=32692


Ingame example, from Zulu_Nation8; watch Zerg's natural.
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http://sc.gosugamers.net/replays/10321


Method:
Move away, with your drone by by a very small distance, attack click scv, repeat. Moving in alternate diagonal directions i feel is also helpful, (ie up left, up right, upleft etc.)
See replay for more details

Lets turn this into a challenge? How many people can do it?
Upload your replay:

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http://www.battlereports.com/submitreplay.php
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
November 24 2007 05:19 GMT
#2
there are quite a few games where savior does this, so I would check those out first.
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tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
November 24 2007 05:24 GMT
#3
I don't fully see how your comment is helpful. I have clearly seen this tactic in use at the pro scene, but visual compared to method can be very different.

If someone had a link to an FPVOD with this tactic in action that could be helpful. None come to mind as of right now.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 24 2007 05:40 GMT
#4
I've asked one of the best zergs in China how he does this. He's this zerg http://sc.gosugamers.net/replays/10321, as you can see in the replay he does the drone micro thing and does it very well. But all he says is he uses attack move then back then attack move again. It's just a micro thing you have to practice a lot, no real trick to it.
terranmetal
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada153 Posts
November 24 2007 05:59 GMT
#5
When I see someone try this hard, I just smirk knowing that they are probably losing concentration back at his home base.
I play on BW west.
tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
November 24 2007 06:44 GMT
#6
Thanks Zulu, thats very helpful.

Terranmetal: Don't worry, I'll practice it enough to make sure it won't effect my macro at home what-so-ever. Odds are anyone that has the skill to do this, will be able to operate one base effectively.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 24 2007 07:12 GMT
#7
I think this only works against SCVs, since drones and probes both have the same attack range.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
November 24 2007 07:54 GMT
#8
Yes, also doing it on battle.net might have a bit of luck involved because of lag. You have to compensate for that lag. Pros do it on LAN.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
November 24 2007 11:40 GMT
#9
There was a thread before and it had an ums to practice it
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=22642
Found it
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tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
November 24 2007 15:25 GMT
#10
All the links are dead but thanks for trying.
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GunsofthePatriots
Profile Joined August 2007
South Africa991 Posts
November 24 2007 17:24 GMT
#11
On November 24 2007 14:59 terranmetal wrote:
When I see someone try this hard, I just smirk knowing that they are probably losing concentration back at his home base.
Wrong. Epic fail.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
November 24 2007 17:35 GMT
#12
On November 25 2007 02:24 GunsofthePatriots wrote:
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On November 24 2007 14:59 terranmetal wrote:
When I see someone try this hard, I just smirk knowing that they are probably losing concentration back at his home base.
Wrong. Epic fail.


It could be true if he's a newbie. And he probably is. So.... right :O! But good players can certainly do some intense harrass without a hiccup in their build.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-24 17:40:14
November 24 2007 17:36 GMT
#13
On November 25 2007 00:25 tehAscender wrote:
All the links are dead but thanks for trying.


One of the links actually works, but if you're too lazy to find that, you can download Locke's UMS maps (which includes a lot of cool UMS maps).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=59029

That should have a link to dl it. The map is under "micro problems" or something like that and is called probe-scv micro. But it is in that thread =p if you don't want to dl all those maps.

To actually do it, move around the scv in a circle. The probe has a greater acceleration than the scv, so when the scv is turning, you should attack with range (attack-move [a + click] away from you), then circle again and do it again. I do it about 4 times per revolution but that's just me and I'm a noob =p.
nullmind
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
1303 Posts
November 24 2007 18:39 GMT
#14
I think I heard it from "뒷담화" it's almost like the muta micro, like how you would click one spot to gather and face same direction then click again to attack marines. Julyzerg shows this a lot in VODs. There was this game against a terran in R-point where he chased the SCV to his ramp getting it down to 5 hp.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-25 00:29:55
November 24 2007 22:08 GMT
#15

Oops, This isn't R-Point but I think its the same concept as what the above poster was trying to demonstrate.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 24 2007 23:30 GMT
#16
What can you do with a scv to deal more damage to the drone when it does that? I've seen progamers do it also
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 25 2007 05:12 GMT
#17
On November 24 2007 14:59 terranmetal wrote:
When I see someone try this hard, I just smirk knowing that they are probably losing concentration back at his home base.


I actually get really intimidated because I know the only players that can pull this off with consistently are those who are actually pretty good, and I end up always being right and getting raped.

The probe/drone micro only works if you leave the scv unattended, so to totally screw him over just control your scv a bit to chase after the worker. Same thing if their trying to damage your scv thats building your rax.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
November 25 2007 05:33 GMT
#18
On November 25 2007 08:30 zulu_nation8 wrote:
What can you do with a scv to deal more damage to the drone when it does that? I've seen progamers do it also


Well if you're chasing with an SCV can't you just keep right clicking past the drone and then a-click on the Drone and then right click past it again so the SCV will zap the Drone while it's moving?

Only thing I can think of, probably won't work if the Z/P player is good enough with this since Probes/Drones have range
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 27 2007 22:40 GMT
#19
Sorry for bumping, I just found this map really neat and wanted to give it some more time in top 5.

I have been playing it like 10 minutes for the last few evenings and I can make it like 90% now. Offline of course...

I found it easiest to use move-stop. Move away, press "s" almost immidiately to make the drone stop just out of scv range, right click scv, repeat. Convenient if your mouse is not so fast imo.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-27 23:47:12
November 27 2007 23:19 GMT
#20
tehAscender you did a great OP. More people should learn from you
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