EPTHow is the progress on the TL version of this anyways?
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
How is the progress on the TL version of this anyways? | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
I know no one wants to blow their load and announce this early, but any information you could give us would be most appreciated. Something like this would be enough to make me want to play again, and I think could do more than you might imagine. If there was comprehensive, intelligible way to learn how to play starcraft, the barrier to entry would be greatly lessened and I think we would encourage a lot more new players to start playing. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
Right now we're working out the following two things. 1. Whether it should be Wiki based or simply coded into the TL forum in it's own section. I think they are leaning towards a wiki, but I don't fully understand the pros and cons of both so I've been avoiding the discussion and just reading it. 2. Whether it will be a fully open-sourced, or users will only be allowed to comment in a discussion section (while only TL staff will have access to the actual articles). There's obviously pros and cons to each. I am arguing for the latter, since people can still give their feedback, but administrators can pick what to update. Further concerns: Login tied to TL ID? A "WIKI-ize your post" system - how to avoid overlap between this and TLPD. Standardized article format and tone. Some more stuff, but again I don't know how kosher it is for me to post this out. Fortunately, no one reads the strategy forum so they'll never find it  Any suggestions and opinions on the above, or other foreseeable concerns, are appreciated. | ||
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d0da
United States103 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
The first thing is indeed to decide whether we want it 100% open to the TL members or only to admins + special "guests". If we pick the former, then the TL forum option would be obsolete, so let's answer that question first. An intermediate solution would be to only allow TL members with a certain amount of posts (say, 500+) to add/edit wiki entries. We could optionally implement a wiki-ban feature so that people don't keep posting BS over and over (but a TL ban could work too). And as SonuvBob pointed out in the admin thread, if the wiki's going to be open we also need to think about what kind of contents we want on it: On November 06 2007 02:49 SonuvBob wrote: If we make an open/almost open wiki, we'll need some pretty strict rules about the format and scope (do we want articles on just strats/definitions? or also pros? leagues? top amateurs? really good games? tasty homemade pies?). If it's well-integrated and successful, we could probably move TL's articles there, and have them actually be read once in a while.  | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
I recommend either keeping it open or limiting it to users with x number of posts. If it's just the staff, it will take way too much time and effort to get it to an amazing state. I agree we don't want random sc2 people posting their scout rush strategies or something, but looking at wikipedia as a model, the hardcore editors couldn't have written it themselves. Also, definitely integrate the user tables (this shouldn't be too hard) and as much as possible try to make it feel integrated. If it's just a mediawiki installation with the same look as wikipedia, people will feel much less ownership of it. The key to this being successful is the forum regulars who know what they're doing to feel like it's theirs, and to work on it with that frame of mind. | ||
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
1- easy way of building a strategy tree that you can click on. TLnet has spoilers that can accomplish this. A javascript thing will be even better. Wiki has nothing. Youtube videos should still imbed automatically into wikipedia articles. I think it does that automatically for any webpage actually. Can anyone figure out a way to get something that combines wikipedia's open-source with being able to create a tree? I'd say with something like this, it's good to just figure out the first step and then to "just thoooooo it"! Changes can be easily made to the format later if they arise. We can easily post the URL to some other forums too, even korean forums. There is no doubt that when we get this started, it'll grow very quickly without much micromanagement. On November 06 2007 02:45 Chill wrote: Further concerns: Login tied to TL ID? A "WIKI-ize your post" system - how to avoid overlap between this and TLPD. Standardized article format and tone. I don't see how this will conflict with TLPD. If anything, it'll complement it. Right now, TLPD is searchable by name. Why not have a TLPD sister project that indexes VODs by build order via a build order tree. It'll be a better way of searching through vods. | ||
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d0da
United States103 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
PGT had an SC wiki which was pretty decent quality, but lacked contributors, which we won't have problems here. So definitely don't close it to quality forum members. Either let all veteran/experienced posters edit (while using warnings and bans) or let people "apply" somehow. Like a sample of their writing or knowledge. But yes, this would be so hot | ||
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Y0z2
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On November 06 2007 06:06 LoveandPeace wrote: Youtube videos should still imbed automatically into wikipedia articles. I think it does that automatically for any webpage actually. Can anyone figure out a way to get something that combines wikipedia's open-source with being able to create a tree? I'd say with something like this, it's good to just figure out the first step and then to "just thoooooo it"! Changes can be easily made to the format later if they arise. I've been coding PHP forum for a while and I think its quite easy make what you want using MediaWiki - a open source PHP wiki. Just hyperlink those strategies, add a table in MySQL to store the hyperlinks (ie strategy A can go to strategy B as entry), so that visitors can see what Strategy A will leads to, and have a index page(generate from the extra table) which gives the overview of the developments of the strategy. I have been coding forum mods for a while, I havnt goes into the MediaWiki code yet, but I guess if we want to add the above features to the Wiki source code, probably should be do some 1)modification to the existing code: editing the posting page (which makes extra input for child nodes. ie where the strategy goes to). Modify the output page, which will looks up the new table for child nodes. 2)Add new code: add a table in MySQL which store the links between strategies. add a index page which read the new table for generate a overview of the strategies. Wont take long, may be just a day or two will be enough for me I will be able to do some code if you guys need help. Just PM me or add my msn nameless_leung@hotmail.com =) I will be free after my exam on 16th Nov | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21552 Posts
We'd definitely integrate the wiki into TL as best we can, so don't worry about that. On November 06 2007 06:06 LoveandPeace wrote: I also agree that wikipedia will be the best way of doing this. Right now though, wikipedia lacks one main thing 1- easy way of building a strategy tree that you can click on. TLnet has spoilers that can accomplish this. A javascript thing will be even better. Wiki has nothing. Youtube videos should still imbed automatically into wikipedia articles. I think it does that automatically for any webpage actually. Can anyone figure out a way to get something that combines wikipedia's open-source with being able to create a tree? I'd say with something like this, it's good to just figure out the first step and then to "just thoooooo it"! Changes can be easily made to the format later if they arise. We can easily post the URL to some other forums too, even korean forums. There is no doubt that when we get this started, it'll grow very quickly without much micromanagement. I haven't looked at the mediawiki code in depth, but it should be easy to add features (we'd want to add TLPD-ize at least) I don't see how this will conflict with TLPD. If anything, it'll complement it. Right now, TLPD is searchable by name. Why not have a TLPD sister project that indexes VODs by build order via a build order tree. It'll be a better way of searching through vods. It's an issue with TLPD-ize, not TLPD itself. Just a minor technical thing, we'll sort it out. | ||
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Deleted User 30223
3104 Posts
ZERG: 3 HATCH: Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler + 12 Overlord, 12 Hatch, 11 pool, 14 hatch, then overlord and extractor asap. Should add 2-6 zerglings for killing scout and scouting. Should also add X number of sunks. Idea is slower tech than 1 or 2 hatch, but with econ advantage. 2nd extractor typically goes up after lair finishes, but if opponent doesn't pressure, can mass drones and put 2nd extractor up earlier for more gas. woah. wait. why 12 ovie? in all of my games that i've used 12 hatch, i have never done 12 ovie. | ||
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Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On November 06 2007 15:43 goldenkrnboi wrote: woah. wait. why 12 ovie? in all of my games that i've used 12 hatch, i have never done 12 ovie. ^^ Example of why I don't support open source haha. It's 9 Overlord. | ||
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
On November 06 2007 22:50 Chill wrote: ^^ Example of why I don't support open source haha. It's 9 Overlord. hehe Just look at wikipedia though. It would be so easy to correct that one error, and the rest of the stuff might be a good basis. Again, especially if you limit this to users who have been around for a little while, it's not like a bunch of people who don't know what they are talking about will be super eager to write down what's in their head. And if they do, just do a wiki ban. | ||
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afdagfhds3gdg2
United States77 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Usually they will be short changed a bit on their expansion and not walling their ramp so I would not be able to break the expansion but I can run passed it and help fortify/harass inside their main. (with this build Its 2 hatch lings to proxy) constant ling pumping and 100 gas for speed. | ||
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
On November 08 2007 09:33 CharlieMurphy wrote: Whenever I see a toss doing an FE with a forge/canon first build. I run a drone in and proxy hatch. if they don't find it in time its GG. For this strat which I'm sure aren't in any pro games, I can imagine you can put them in the EXE notes that accompany each build order. Just personally though, if I see an EXE note that has this, I'll probably edit it and say "This is a very risky cheese strat. don't try vs higher level players". | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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LoveandPeace
United States99 Posts
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