EPTTry it: Make 5 tanks and spread 10 scvs apart. then use the tanks and shift-attack all 10 scvs. They attack the latest one then stop. The easiest way to notice this, is that the tank barrels rotate after every shift-click, meaning that they switch targets before the current one has died
Shift-clicking sieged tanks
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Oracle
Canada411 Posts
Try it: Make 5 tanks and spread 10 scvs apart. then use the tanks and shift-attack all 10 scvs. They attack the latest one then stop. The easiest way to notice this, is that the tank barrels rotate after every shift-click, meaning that they switch targets before the current one has died | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
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weaksauce
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
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Chef
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Oracle
Canada411 Posts
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Liquid`HayprO
Iraq1230 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
You're supposed to attack click by itself on a dragoon first, THEN hold shift + attack (very rapidly since goons melt vs tank fire). shift also doesn't work with other functions if you don't use it properly. EDIT: Also, a bit of theorycraft. If you see your tanks fire autonomously as if you hadn't manually targetted, consider the fact that you're attacking manually only with the tanks that are within attack range. It's easily possible that a chunk of your selected tanks are out of range and thus, does not allow them to attack the targetted unit. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Why would you want all your tanks attacking the same target? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
fusionsdf - it's because of the splash. you goal is to aim where in the bulk of your enemy forces are and let the splash do the rest; (and sometimes pros target the high templars first.) | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
I always did the shift+click with Siege Tanks and they worked fine :-/ | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
It's kinda weird though, because every time I've used shiftattack, the tanks NEVER attack the zealots, as they are forced to attack the dragoons. Hmm... weird. | ||
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[pG]BrEaKdOwN
Germany141 Posts
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On July 20 2007 10:29 xM(Z wrote: ilovezil is wrong koltx is right. you can not queue shift+atack+target on a tank; il will atack first then last target skipping the rest. fusionsdf - it's because of the splash. you goal is to aim where in the bulk of your enemy forces are and let the splash do the rest; (and sometimes pros target the high templars first.) Worked for me in the past. Perhaps by any cahnce, the new patch is the cause? I'll re-experiment with this in any case, sometime. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
Thank me for saving you. And I don't even play terran, how about that!? | ||
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yoinkity
Korea (South)43 Posts
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yoinkity
Korea (South)43 Posts
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NaDazpwnz3r
United States111 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
Using the shift method might send a group thats right next to a tank group to another thats not veyr accessible. Good luck. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote: ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD  | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
When I saw this topic, though, I was sure it was talking about PvT shift-clicking (cloning) sieged tanks with zealots. Now that's actually useful lots. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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epidion
United States316 Posts
Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question. In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted. What do you think? | ||
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Pressure
7326 Posts
On July 20 2007 08:34 Koltz wrote: I've always heard that when fighting the protoss army with terran you're supposed to shift-attack the goons with ur tanks. (Read from DaZe's guide I think, but I saw merz FPVod where he shift clicks goons) But then i realized it doesn't work. Sieged tanks cant queue more than 1 action! Try it: Make 5 tanks and spread 10 scvs apart. then use the tanks and shift-attack all 10 scvs. They attack the latest one then stop. The easiest way to notice this, is that the tank barrels rotate after every shift-click, meaning that they switch targets before the current one has died wait so you think that tanks will attack one after one attack they spread instead lol dont they? i remember playing a ums when i spread on 2 goons and i lost :/ | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On July 20 2007 13:53 epidion wrote: GrandInquisitor has a good point. I'm not sure that it would mess it up because when I'm observing I usually shift+attack to have them kill each other and it works. But who knows, that might be an issue that they are your SCV's. Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question. In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted. What do you think? I think microing away that first goon you targetted is going to kill your entire force, lmao. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
And if you're going to look at them anyway, then just target manually. This will help if he microes as you can just switch targets on the spot. On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote: ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD ..erm, what I posted was an obvious joke, but even so, if you would have any idea about PvT you would realise that if terran gets 60 tanks he will melt your maxxed out army easily (even out?? rofl). Unless by "good macro" you actually ment to spell "mass carriers". | ||
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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Shauni
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On July 20 2007 16:11 Shauni wrote: Obviously it doesn't work if the SCVs are your own. Did you really try with your own SCVs? This was what I was thinking. I've always been annoyed at not being able to shift+attack on your own units because it would only attack the last one. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
just 1. attack normally (auto tank fire) 2. then do the shift a should work fine... just like make random lassos of 3-4 tanks and shift attack them on a few goons, then lasso again and shift attack on some other goons. you cant do this vs allied shit. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On July 20 2007 15:27 CubEdIn wrote: Yeah CharlieMurphy is right, if you shift-attack then him microing will have a serious impact on your troops. And if you're going to look at them anyway, then just target manually. This will help if he microes as you can just switch targets on the spot. ..erm, what I posted was an obvious joke, but even so, if you would have any idea about PvT you would realise that if terran gets 60 tanks he will melt your maxxed out army easily (even out?? rofl). Unless by "good macro" you actually ment to spell "mass carriers". Can't believe NaDazpwnz3r thinks 200/200 PvT battles are evened out  | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
On July 20 2007 19:27 Equinox_kr wrote: Can't believe NaDazpwnz3r thinks 200/200 PvT battles are evened out Someone try a 200/200 SCV vs Probes, I wanna see how it goes. | ||
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CustomXSpunjah
United States1093 Posts
p.s. watch out for storm | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On July 20 2007 20:13 CustomXSpunjah wrote: someone try 200/200 mnm's vs anything protoss see how that works out p.s. watch out for storm 200/200 mnm vs 200/200 REAVER :O WHO WILL WIN ?!! | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
And once again, queing up attacks might not be possible, but the shift-attack has a "spreading" effect meaning that the tanks will chose to aim differently, thus allowing more splash damage and more goon-soup for dinner. | ||
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epidion
United States316 Posts
On July 20 2007 14:50 CharlieMurphy wrote: I think microing away that first goon you targetted is going to kill your entire force, lmao. Well yeah, obviously. But if you target any Dragoon and he micros it out the same thing will happen. We're talking about having some sense of how a battle is going. I don't shift-click his base, go take a shower and come back, I'm still checking in on the battle. | ||
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HappyFeetO_O
China350 Posts
On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote: ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD Lol...60 tanks will rape any size toss army edit: ok oops 15 people already said it | ||
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R_I
New Zealand42 Posts
Select all your tanks, right click on a goon, then hold shift and click on some of the tank wireframes and then right click on another goon etc. This tactic works pretty damn well | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
I'm actually protoss player but nowdays I play almost as much TvP TvZ and ZvP and ZvT than protoss. So can Some good player (like DaZe himself) come here and clear up what that shiftattack actually means. | ||
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ShabZzoY!
Great Britain760 Posts
On July 20 2007 22:18 epidion wrote: Well yeah, obviously. But if you target any Dragoon and he micros it out the same thing will happen. We're talking about having some sense of how a battle is going. I don't shift-click his base, go take a shower and come back, I'm still checking in on the battle. I think its best to only target in VERY small battles (talking 3-5 goons or so) In larger battles formation is key and moving back the goons that are receiving most fire Shift clicking is stupid both for the reasons above and that say if you have exactly 9 goons left then each round of shots will leave 1 goon with like 5 hp and then a whole round of shots will be wasted on it Also this will make your goons walk awkwardly to get in range of the specified target | ||
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istealhotelsoap
United States514 Posts
gogogo zealots~! | ||
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Naib
Hungary4861 Posts
On July 20 2007 13:53 epidion wrote: GrandInquisitor has a good point. I'm not sure that it would mess it up because when I'm observing I usually shift+attack to have them kill each other and it works. But who knows, that might be an issue that they are your SCV's. Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question. In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted. What do you think? Imo, you need to be a quick counter in the head, and calculate how many shots / shot-cycles do you need to melt a target enemy goon with focus-fire. They got 180 hp, so I focus fire with 9, or 5 goons (depending on the size of the battle) Not 8, cause he'll regen 1 hp between the 2 shoot-cycles. This only goes for focusing full-hp goons, you need to keep the shots counting and adjust focus-firing appropiately  | ||
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
On July 21 2007 12:26 Naib wrote: Imo, you need to be a quick counter in the head, and calculate how many shots / shot-cycles do you need to melt a target enemy goon with focus-fire. They got 180 hp, so I focus fire with 9, or 5 goons (depending on the size of the battle) Not 8, cause he'll regen 1 hp between the 2 shoot-cycles. This only goes for focusing full-hp goons, you need to keep the shots counting and adjust focus-firing appropiately 9*20=180? and then -1 because of shield regen? So you should use 10 instead, or groups of five to not destroy your formation too much.. Or maybe I'm just so tired my math doesn't even work.. | ||
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
what i do is right click on a goon, then hold shift and right click on some more tanks never hit zeals, as long as goons are in range | ||
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Oracle
Canada411 Posts
the allied scv thing has the same effect | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On July 21 2007 02:00 R_I wrote: umm guys, I think Daze meant shift clicking tanks as in shift deselecting like when splitting your scvs say. Select all your tanks, right click on a goon, then hold shift and click on some of the tank wireframes and then right click on another goon etc. This tactic works pretty damn well No, in fact daze thought me a lot about terran. And i've seen him play numerous times offline, and he does shift-click the goons not shit-deslect his tanks. | ||
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
But, if the Toss has carriers or storm, or arbs, or distruption web(rofl?), then gee gee. :D Or at least slow it down so you can mass. | ||
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R_I
New Zealand42 Posts
On July 21 2007 21:52 meRz wrote: No, in fact daze thought me a lot about terran. And i've seen him play numerous times offline, and he does shift-click the goons not shit-deslect his tanks. Oh, alright. In any case, I think it's worth considering de-selecting tanks to attack various goons. I'm decent at it (yay for years of splitting scvs the noob way) and it's worked pretty well for me so far. Tanks don't hit zealots as much and the goons just melt. | ||
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~Legit~
United States408 Posts
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