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IntoTheWow
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Last Edited: 2007-11-15 16:02:35
July 15 2007 03:44 GMT
#1
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Foreword

First of all, of course I'm not a A+ Zerg or anything like it, but I made a guide focused on game thoughts and tactics, rather than the usual guides which talk more about mechanics.


Lately, on iccup, I have been noticing that Zerg is the race I have more success with.

When I'm playing Zerg I like to have map control. Most Zergs I watch play like to play passive. Of course playing aggressive means you can have some sexy wins, as well as some terrible loses.


The thing that decides whether you will have more control or not over the game in a ZvT game are mainly two: strategy ( build order, game plan ) and tactics ( army control, positioning ).


So lets start with build orders.

What build order would you choose if you were going to put the Terran into pressure? 29 hatch? No. 30 Hatch? No. You need to pressure this guy from the start. This doesn't mean you have to 12 pool every game, because that means you will get dismantled on far away positions. You need to use your brain to think of a way you can break the Terran's tactics to put him under PRESSURE.

Some good choices to taking terran under your control are 12 pooling, lurk rushing, hive rushing, drops, using burrow.

For example, I like to (when playing close positions or on 2 player maps such as hitchhiker/Peaks), 12 pool -> 11~ expo and going for fast lair.
Playing this way ensures lots of fun as well as lots frustration when losing when you have bad timming or bad reinforcing.


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Pros & Cons:
Requires good larva management
Creative and smart play
Good sense of Starcraft in some situations
Not APM demanding
Good scouting
Games are usually shorter, so its easy to mass practice it on ladders
Becomes less effective against experienced Terrans
Good to practice all the things mentioned before more often than you do in usual games


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This build looks for holes in the Terran's play, as well as leaving many on your side to be exploited, but it's an awesome training because you stop relaying on pure mechanics and makes you take rare choices you don't come across every game.


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OK I PLACED MY POOL AT 12 WHATS NEXT?

The Terran will probably scout you and be like roflsup12pool?
If you face a good terran/experienced he will probably play more safe, and then you will have to play more defensive as well. On the other hand, if you face an average terran he will expo anyways, because they are stupid and think that expanding blindly is the key to becoming iloveoov. This is awesome news, because it leaves room for many options. Time to start playing mind games muahaahaHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA.


OK I EXPOED AFTER MY POOL AND I GOT 6 DOGS WITH CLAWS.

Good for you!, constantly watch the minimap, you want to catch that SCV going around so the terran doesn't have an accurate idea of what you will be doing. That means, one dog will chase the mailman while the rest goes to check the Terran's base out.

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Yo check it out its a T's base

Depending on how safe the Terran is playing he could either be making a CC with very little marines or adding a second rax to play under your conditions. When you make a fake run to his ramp to see the number of marines he has, see if there are any scv holding it along with the marines. If thats the case, then keep moving the zerglings in front of his base. This way you can keep his scvs from mining for some more time. If you have 5 zerglings and he has 4 marines, though hes probably winning the fight, that doesn't mean you cant attack. If a terran gets 3 of his 4/5 marines killed while making a CC, what will he do next? Well, he will probably will go and make some more, as well as maybe pulling some scv to secure his ramp. Always try to put yourself in the Terran's pants, think what his reactions could be and react accordingly.

As you took your gas and your lair is morphing, pump more drones or zerglings accordingly. You should get your lurkers around the time the Terran takes his expo.

You need to continuously scout the Terran with zerglings/overlords. Check for holes. Always move between your army and your base.

In this game, after pushing the Terran's expo, I manage to sneak a zergling in, and I see a starport, which means possible dropship as there is not Science Facility yet.

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Keep making lurkers, check hydras to morph. Having 4 or 5 more lurkers can be the difference between winning and typing GG. A classic way of delaying the Terran is attacking with your zergling lurker army. As you attack you can burrow 1 or 2 lurkers to fight, and move 2 other behind his minerals for example. Or just play with your groups, run with lurkers ahead, and when he targets them move them back while zerglings go in.

+ Show Spoiler [Example 1 (Luna)] +

I engage the fight
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Terran panics and goes for his misplaced bunker
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I choose to avoid that and go behind his minerals, while keeping marines off with my zerglings
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Terran scans...
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...and misses.
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5 minutes later...
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+ Show Spoiler [Example 2 (Peaks)] +

The terran made a bunk above his expo, to avoid pressure from the upper ramp. Theres a possible hole near the ramp that goes into his main
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He notices he is open to attacks from there and starts a bunker...
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But its too late, I burrow by his ramp, splitting his base in two.
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Zerglings go in...
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Lurkers go in...
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Terran taps out
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+ Show Spoiler [Example 3 (Python)] +

In this game there are no misplaced bunkers :o

When I scout the terran after laying my 12 pool, I see he's going with 1 barrack only, I gas him just in case, and force a fast expo.
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When my lings arrive at his ramp, I see his marine count is poor due to the 1 rax build, and decide to go in
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After running in i can see the CC building, and kill most of the marines
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I send a second wave of zerglings (now with speed) and kill as many marines as possible. The Terran is left with only firebats and medics (the two marines in this screenshot die, and I escape with 3 zerglings)
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I send my hydras to morph out, near his expo, while the lurker upgrade finishes and try to lure the marines out with my zerglings. When the Terran army goes outside his base a little, I go behind him with my lurkers and burrow them because I'm spotted
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A second wave or lurkers + zerglings is ready, and I decide to fight against his bunker wall, because I tried all game to keep his marine count low
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I target the nearest bunker with all my marines and lurkers
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Now it's safe to go in
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The game at this stage is very fragile. One bad stim can mean the terran getting fucked as well as a wasted Zerg army can mean gg for you. So play with smart micro. Scout, scout, scout, you need to know what are the terran reactions. If you get him to take his scv back to his main because lurkers are on his expo, thats a good sign. Expo and keep making units/drone according to your needs. If you fail to do damage and the terran turtled in, then burrow in the nat's choke and go for other options.

Going drops is a possibility. I prefer going hive, because defilers work both defensively and offensively. One defiler and 1 or 2 lurkers can stop a push on your expo. If you manage to secure 2 or more expos, it would be smart to make a nydus channel. The Terran wont probably fight you straight ahead, you have defilers and he wont be vessel heavy for now. So he will probably try to go drops or sneak guerrilla armies into your expos.

You need to constantly move the spawning overlords to locations where drops are bound to come across. If you don't see the T making a move, try to sneak a zergling/suicide an overlord. If you see a dropship, sunk or make scourge, if you made a spire for vessel killing.

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There isn't much more for me to say about this, because as game drags on it becomes a common late game ZvT, or a weird scenario (like for example, terran getting his main killed with a drop, and you having just your main and nat). If the game is taking longer and longer to finish, you need to make your economy stronger, or the terran will catch up to you in tech to counter on you, while having a better economy.


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Bonus: Sea.Jy's style

Some time ago zulu_nation8 made a thread on Jy's way of containing Terrans. His build is different, but he looks for the same. He goes 12 hatch, 11 pool and proceeds to make mostly zerglings. His economy is similar drone-wise to the one I show. He gets about 2 groups of zerglings by the time the Terran walks out of his base. If he does, he tries to flank him, or puts a sunken to defend if the Terran's army is too big for him. From there he proceeds to do the same, lurker, hive, etc.

As the rep links expired, I downloaded a rep pack of Sea.Jy, watched the reps, and re-uploaded the games that give insight on how to use the tactics in this guide.


Sea.Jy vs Bassen[fou] @ Rush Hour 3
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Though Jy doesnt do a all ling build, he gets 2hatch and a early lair. He goes for a first attack with lings, leaving Bassen marine-less and follows with his lurkers and lings, adding a 3rd hatch in the middle, to finish him off


Sea.Jy vs G.s)Cy @ Luna
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Jy does his build and he faces a Terran who makes a 3 rax build. Jy has about 16 zerglings to scare the terran from coming out, when Cy finally does, Jy splits his army into 2: one of zerglings reinforced by lurkers to defend his expo, and another one of 2 lurkers and 8 lings or so, that goes around the marine and medic force, and pushes the terrans ramp. Cy is very crippled and has to go back, Jy then goes muta, guardians. Cy somehow survives, but has to tap out when defilers arrive.


Sea.Jy vs G.s)Monster @ Luna
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Jy does the usual, the terran goes 2 rax, and is short on marines. Jy kills all the marines and is left with 4 lings. He goes around with them picking off scvs while the terran is getting a cc to catch up. Lurkers follow, gg.


Sea.Jy vs goara[GsP] @ Luna
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Cy goes 12 hatch 11 pool while goara goes for a 9 rax build. Jy gets bunkered and survives but loses his sunken in the process. After that goara starts playing VERY defensively knowing something is fishy. Cy manages to make goara come out and gets an army into goara's ramp, but he bunkered. Jy gets hive and follows with guardians and defilers after getting one expo killed. goara goes for a drop at main but its stopped by zerglings/guardians/lurker. After that Jy counters with his defilers and goara leaves.


Note: All the reps are 1.13. To view them you need the 1.13 executable, or just use dementus's guide to rexplorer (recommended!).

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Thanks to:

Taiche, for making rexplorer and my work much easier.

Rotodyne, for bwreps, an awesome service for hosting reps.

zulu_nation8, for his thread, which got me into playing around with this build.

Anyone reading this guide.



Happy Terran raping.
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davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 04:01:48
July 15 2007 04:01 GMT
#2
A+++ 4u TY

Awesome post. Has it been added to the Recommended Threads yet?
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Koldblooded
Profile Joined July 2006
United States661 Posts
July 15 2007 04:10 GMT
#3
Yay intothewow with another sexy guide
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 15 2007 04:19 GMT
#4
Nice guide :D
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 15 2007 04:19 GMT
#5
APPLY THE PRESSURE BITCH
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 15 2007 04:24 GMT
#6
A+
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 15 2007 04:25 GMT
#7
haha rpf
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
July 15 2007 04:31 GMT
#8
You need some kind of rush, maybe involving some kind of SHADOW. Nice guide though, you're playing with PRESSURE! Pressure zerg!
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OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
July 15 2007 04:31 GMT
#9
Thanks, very nice guide
BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
July 15 2007 04:41 GMT
#10
IntotheWow is now know as pressure zerg.

Nice guide~
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 15 2007 04:49 GMT
#11
thanks! i have been playing with 12 pool more lately, so this guide is really helpful. when do you usually get gas, after expo hatch? sometimes i think the timing is tricky, depending on how hard you want to tech and stuff.

also, how come no mention of muta? is 12 pool just not good for a muta build?

thanks for the guide!
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yoinkity
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)43 Posts
July 15 2007 05:05 GMT
#12
why do all your examples have misplaced bunkers...? and on luna the terran seems kind of noob. i can't see any medics or tanks but see fast starport/dropship. whats wrong with just expoing against your strategy?
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
July 15 2007 05:07 GMT
#13
On July 15 2007 13:49 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
thanks! i have been playing with 12 pool more lately, so this guide is really helpful. when do you usually get gas, after expo hatch? sometimes i think the timing is tricky, depending on how hard you want to tech and stuff.

also, how come no mention of muta? is 12 pool just not good for a muta build?

thanks for the guide!

this build relies on a low drone count and a lot of lings. you don't want to go mutas on a low drone count, b/c it will take you too long to switch into lurker tech and if you don't harass enough, you will probably just get run over.
BlueMorning
Profile Joined February 2007
United States96 Posts
July 15 2007 05:17 GMT
#14
I enjoyed the read very much... also thanks for a quick & simple explanation of Jy's replays, I have yet to open that reppack.
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
July 15 2007 05:23 GMT
#15
need...more...guides
This one is really nice for all them zergs
Now we need a countering terran guide =D (no offense meant daze).

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Scorpion
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1974 Posts
July 15 2007 05:47 GMT
#16
We need a toss guide.

FA's simcity toss guide is very lonely.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
July 15 2007 06:18 GMT
#17
Thanks for the great guide IntoTheWow. Funny and informative as always! ^__^
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
July 15 2007 06:57 GMT
#18
Definitely Awesumzerg
^-^
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 15 2007 07:05 GMT
#19
hoooooooooly shit captain :D
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
July 15 2007 07:19 GMT
#20
Thank you so much!!
This will improve my ZvT I hope
ZvP guide next please!!
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 15 2007 07:27 GMT
#21
IntotheWoW, I've noticed a mistake in your guide. In the title pic, the lurker is above the ground, thus enabling the marine to maybe kill it.
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
July 15 2007 07:34 GMT
#22
theres one that is under the land
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Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
July 15 2007 07:42 GMT
#23
so basically none of this works vs experienced terrans ;p
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 15 2007 07:50 GMT
#24
Well it doesnt mean it wont work. As you can see in the Jy reps it does work. Also JulyZerg, before going pro used to play with 9 pool/12 pool a lot. It means it becomes less effective vs them, because they have less mistakes and as a consequence, less things for you to exploit. And on both maps (luna & peaks) its just not misplaced bunkers, you need 2 bunkers. Because in the first example, if he bunkered near his gas, i would just go for his ramp. And in the second one, if he bunkered down, i could burrow near his expo, from above and go behind his minerals.


The gas i take it after my pool is done in most cases, but of course you take it some time after in certain cases, like if you are being bunker rushed.

One important thing i forgot to mention is to take your expo gas after the lurker den is done. But it also depends on your drone count. If you manage to damage the terran early on, then you can use a "wave" of larvas to make some drones.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 15 2007 07:56 GMT
#25
On July 15 2007 14:05 yoinkity wrote:
why do all your examples have misplaced bunkers...? and on luna the terran seems kind of noob. i can't see any medics or tanks but see fast starport/dropship. whats wrong with just expoing against your strategy?


When expoing your tech as terran you are late with your tech. In the Sea.Jy reps you can see that sometimes he plays around with lurkings with the objective of making the Terran waste his scans. He burrows and unburrows quick while running off. Once he scans 3 or 4 times (3 scans in main and 1 in expo usually), he cant counter your lurkers for much longer, and vessels arent that easy to make while you need to make marines all the time to stop the Zerg attacks.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
July 15 2007 10:22 GMT
#26
Nice guide, should be really helpful for a lot of people, but as you mentioned against a really skilled terran the effectiveness of this build drops to near zero Their is a reason this style has died out on the pro scene. A good terran will just mass marines out of 2 rax non stop then place a cc. From their they will get a quick acad and pressure your sunk line, then pull back once they've forced sunken and with a HUGE economic advantage they can just play defensively. Bunkering the front with 2 maybe even 3. Then they can split their forces up and cover both mineral lines with mnm. Add in good scouting and it becomes extremely difficult to do any damage to the terran while still getting a 3rd gas and/or defiliers in time to stop the first ball of death Most Ts will time it with 1/1 while going 4 rax double fact and getting vessel. Then move out with their first vessel and a good number of tanks. Very very hard to deal. Sorry but that terran looked really bad, just in the screen shots Why would you EVER have your marines in that formation, leaving your ramp open? Also as someone mentioned before his bunkers are misplaced.
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dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
July 15 2007 10:47 GMT
#27
itw, your mastery of the internets amazes me, where the hell did you pull this smiley (
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) out from?

thanks for the guide!
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 11:11:57
July 15 2007 11:08 GMT
#28
On July 15 2007 19:47 dementus wrote:
itw, your mastery of the internets amazes me, where the hell did you pull this smiley (
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) out from?

thanks for the guide!


From another forum

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I think this guide still works for the average TL reader. Its kind of "huh" to only discuss things that work at progaming level. :o
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Reflex
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada703 Posts
July 15 2007 13:16 GMT
#29
I don't play Terran or Zerg but your guide is amazing!
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Profile Joined April 2006
United States377 Posts
July 15 2007 13:52 GMT
#30
Thanks for guide man :D!!!

the woof woof is classic :D.


Evilmonkey.
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1628 Posts
July 15 2007 16:44 GMT
#31
Another smash hit! I liked your first one a lot, and this one is great too. It's the right mix of humor and important info for noobie zergs like me. Thanks.
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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
July 15 2007 21:49 GMT
#32
*BUMP*

#1 ITW fan, folks.
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Profile Joined November 2006
Austria670 Posts
July 15 2007 23:27 GMT
#33
On July 16 2007 01:44 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Another smash hit! I liked your first one a lot, and this one is great too. It's the right mix of humor and important info for noobie zergs like me. Thanks.


First one? Could you post the link plz?
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Tonkerchen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
680 Posts
July 16 2007 01:26 GMT
#34
Haha good job.
The pictures are funny :D

Well I'm thankfull for some tricks which you gave us.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
July 16 2007 03:51 GMT
#35
I lost. T_____T
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Profile Joined November 2004
Argentina1267 Posts
July 16 2007 03:53 GMT
#36
i loved the part where agus said "Average players will exp blindly thinking they are iloveoov" , dont know why but that made me a good laugh....
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Profile Joined January 2007
United States518 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-16 05:29:34
July 16 2007 05:08 GMT
#37
Woo, another AwsumZerg Guide =) Great stuff. For some reason I love the "I be scoutin'" picture o_o

I too would love a ZvP or ZvZ feature sometime soon.
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
July 16 2007 07:09 GMT
#38
On July 16 2007 08:27 Metaspace wrote:
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On July 16 2007 01:44 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Another smash hit! I liked your first one a lot, and this one is great too. It's the right mix of humor and important info for noobie zergs like me. Thanks.


First one? Could you post the link plz?

The first ITW guide is in the Recommended Threads... thread.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 17 2007 08:17 GMT
#39
On July 16 2007 08:27 Metaspace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2007 01:44 Evilmonkey. wrote:
Another smash hit! I liked your first one a lot, and this one is great too. It's the right mix of humor and important info for noobie zergs like me. Thanks.


First one? Could you post the link plz?



Click :D
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28731 Posts
July 17 2007 10:00 GMT
#40
from now on the 12 pool shall be named the intothewow-rush
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 17 2007 12:36 GMT
#41
So be it.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 21 2007 09:16 GMT
#42
Updated with a 3rd example with no misplaced bunkers @ Python.
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NHi.GoMDoRi
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada51 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-31 11:33:15
July 31 2007 11:32 GMT
#43
way to make my already noob terran life that much harder T_T;;

edit: i think cuz of this guide u made a lot of zergs are applying the pressure on me during iccup games. congrats to ur success
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
July 31 2007 14:53 GMT
#44
Haha, I hope people use it

Thanks.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
September 25 2007 03:26 GMT
#45
I use it.

I just fail horribly at it and end up losing most of my games. D:
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
September 25 2007 03:33 GMT
#46
I use it too
turns out the same BOs cant be used for all races.
shorelinetrance
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada32 Posts
September 29 2007 07:43 GMT
#47
i use this against terran alot, and i use saviors protoss build

thx for guide
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-01 10:05:11
April 01 2009 09:33 GMT
#48
Is it me or is BWreps not hosting replays anymore, but merely an advertisement page? The reppack is still up though so no real problems

thanks for the guide!
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