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coffeesession
62 Posts
#challenge: max out zerg on drones only in under 10:00 or better. conditions: 1. map = CircuitBreakers 1.0 (current ladder ver) 2. vs no opponent (launch vs computer and set to closed before the countdown ends). 3. the exact moment u hit 200/200 counts as the result. Under 10:00, on that map, is a rather non-issue for any stronger player. (sorry if this is not the proper section to post it to, if that is the case please move the post) | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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coffeesession
62 Posts
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art_of_turtle
United States1183 Posts
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LV_426
Poland432 Posts
On August 31 2019 00:24 kogeT wrote: So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards) 200/200 drones only ? | ||
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coffeesession
62 Posts
Drones, Overlords. No other units allowed. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1594 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28647 Posts
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coffeesession
62 Posts
concept ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9OL7kqa.png) the point of this model is to find out where and in what conditions it is wrong so a new and better one can be constructed. it doesn't involve performance in real time factors - it's exclusively about understanding conceptually how the optimal macro really looks like (when that is complete one can start involving practical performance factors, at least that's the approach taken there for now) very simple model and nothing special but I wonder how do you see optimal macro in concept | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
i wonder if gunning right for the 4 main starting bases would be most optimal, they provide 9 starting mineral fields the highest as opposed to the 7/8 in the other expo areas. highest mineral saturation output would more than make up for the longer drone transfer distances? also anyone interested in the terran/toss version :D? | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6635 Posts
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
edit: idk why i was interested to try T - i got 9:17 on 2nd try, I guess P would be even faster with probes not having to stick around to build nex/pylons | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3353 Posts
this is actually fairly hard, you do need way more hatch than you think | ||
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
On September 03 2019 08:16 LG)Sabbath wrote: 10:10 or something, at 100 supply you'd think that 11 hatcheries is enough but no, 3k minerals and no larva, gotta get like 20 hatcheries When I did it 1st time I had 1 drone per mineral in 9 expos and 17 hathes. :p And yes, I felt like 20+ hatchies would given me a time of 9:15-9:20 easily | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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Jealous
10135 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/64371-contest-macro-king-reaching-population-limit | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
So overlord>nat>main>hatch at that main>3rd>hatch at 3rd | ||
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Jealous
10135 Posts
On September 04 2019 19:29 MarlieChurphy wrote: I think maybe best 3rd base to take is another main since there are more crystals and better formation. So overlord>nat>main>hatch at that main>3rd>hatch at 3rd Travel distance would be a concern then, no? Especially since it will take a while to saturate there, as travel distance again would impact any transferring you do. I don't think it's necessarily the best option. A more important question is, IMO, what build to open with. For example, I did Over 10 Hatch to get that earlier larva production from a second Hatch/base. I hit 9:45 with a slight supply block at one point on the first run through, haven't compared it to 12 Hatch or something similar. Perhaps someone who is doing this more can play around with the different openings. | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2063 Posts
On September 05 2019 02:04 Jealous wrote: Travel distance would be a concern then, no? Especially since it will take a while to saturate there, as travel distance again would impact any transferring you do. I don't think it's necessarily the best option. A more important question is, IMO, what build to open with. For example, I did Over 10 Hatch to get that earlier larva production from a second Hatch/base. I hit 9:45 with a slight supply block at one point on the first run through, haven't compared it to 12 Hatch or something similar. Perhaps someone who is doing this more can play around with the different openings. yea i couldnt time the 3rd base corectly and ended up making 3rd hatch in nat, and 4th at a main, 5th there as well, 6th at 3rd. ended up getting 10:14 My opening is always 10/9 overlord, 12 hatch. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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Jealous
10135 Posts
On September 05 2019 13:16 LG)Sabbath wrote: Been trying with terran and 9:14 is the best I could do, hit that time several times, no idea how someone did it in 8:45 on the other thread lol Probably Vultures. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
Edit: Tried adding hatcheries earlier but could not get less than 9:36 in next few attempts. I added them faster but cut very few drones in the process. I suspect the optimal way to do it involves cutting multiple drones and adding many many hatcheries at around 5 minutes. | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On September 05 2019 16:03 Anc13nt wrote: got like 9:47 on first attempt. like others i was not used to needing to add so many hatcheries. Edit: Tried adding hatcheries earlier but could not get less than 9:36 in next few attempts. I added them faster but cut very few drones in the process. I suspect the optimal way to do it involves cutting multiple drones and adding many many hatcheries at around 5 minutes. What BO did you use? I never could get less than 9:45 | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On September 06 2019 07:56 LG)Sabbath wrote: What BO did you use? I never could get less than 9:45 honestly i didnt really have build but at around 5 minutes-ish i prioritized making hatcheries over drone (i would keep making hatcheries and only make drones when I felt there was soon to be 3 larva for the hatchery). Also I got 5 bases and made a bunch of hatcheries between the natural and third so i could send drones with less distance and ctrl click many larva. After 100 something supply it's not as important to send drones because you reach basically max saturation already so it's more important that you spend every larva asap. edit: on my 5th try i got 9:30 by cutting many drones and building macro hatcheries up to almost 8 minutes (afterwards i thought that they would not be worth it because it take 75s to build and time to create enough larva to compensate for lost drone). my macro optimization and speed are not very good (i'm more of a micro player), so I have feeling that the absolute fastest is probably around 9 minutes. | ||
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