Hi. I'm practicing macro and I've come up with a challenge. Here it goes:

#challenge: max out zerg on drones only in under 10:00 or better.

conditions:
1. map = CircuitBreakers 1.0 (current ladder ver)
2. vs no opponent (launch vs computer and set to closed before the countdown ends).
3. the exact moment u hit 200/200 counts as the result.

Under 10:00, on that map, is a rather non-issue for any stronger player.

(sorry if this is not the proper section to post it to, if that is the case please move the post)

kogeT

Poland1453 Posts

August 30 2019 15:24 GMT

So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards)

coffeesession

8 Posts

August 30 2019 15:59 GMT

My current best - 9:58. On 22 attempts - I succeeded 2x (200/200 before 10:00). Went over 10:30 3x. Went over 11:00 2x (two first attempts). On average I do it in about 10:15.

art_of_turtle

United States898 Posts

August 30 2019 18:23 GMT

As warmups every once in awhile I do 9 minute drills and 15 min Max challenges. I use the drills specifically for ZVP since it's the macro based matchup. with the 9 minute drill I follow a specific build then get as many hydras I can after getting 42 drones, and with 15 I get to Defiler tech by 12 mins and max out before 15.

LV_426

Poland430 Posts

August 30 2019 18:26 GMT

On August 31 2019 00:24 kogeT wrote:
So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards)

200/200 drones only ?

coffeesession

8 Posts

August 30 2019 19:19 GMT

On August 31 2019 03:26 LV_426 wrote:

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200/200 drones only ?

Drones, Overlords. No other units allowed.

EndingLife

United States1282 Posts

August 31 2019 02:28 GMT

First attempt, 9:59. I didnt make enough hatches and had 5 bases. I think that's enough of that

Liquid`Drone

Norway25216 Posts

August 31 2019 10:05 GMT

got to 9:34 on third try. Should be possible for faster players to do it a bit faster, but I think the approach was a good one - spread out very quickly, but once you get to the 80 drone stage start massing hatches and start caring less about having drones perfectly spread around, because you're about to get way more income than you're able to spend anyway. (first two attempts were 9:52 and 9:49)

coffeesession

8 Posts

August 31 2019 18:02 GMT

here's a model assumption of how zerg macro works in general.

concept [image loading]

the point of this model is to find out where and in what conditions it is wrong so a new and better one can be constructed.

it doesn't involve performance in real time factors - it's exclusively about understanding conceptually how the optimal macro really looks like (when that is complete one can start involving practical
performance factors, at least that's the approach taken there for now)

very simple model and nothing special but I wonder how do you see optimal macro in concept

kogeT

Poland1453 Posts

August 31 2019 22:46 GMT

#10

9:45 on 1st attempt. Could have saved 20~ sec on more hatheries earlier probably.

ggsimida

467 Posts

September 01 2019 06:17 GMT

#11

my best is 9:50 keep getting supply block my macro is badd reeee

i wonder if gunning right for the 4 main starting bases would be most optimal, they provide 9 starting mineral fields the highest as opposed to the 7/8 in the other expo areas. highest mineral saturation output would more than make up for the longer drone transfer distances?

also anyone interested in the terran/toss version :D?

jello_biafra

United Kingdom6599 Posts

September 01 2019 14:47 GMT

#12

I did it in 10:15 first attempt, think I needed to get those last hatches up a bit faster.

ii.blitzkrieg

Canada1115 Posts

September 02 2019 00:07 GMT

#13

My best after 4 tries was 9:35 (twice). Could definitely be faster. Not sure when the best time is to start adding hatches but i added them up as minerals allowed without cutting production much, might be better to stop drone production for a round or 2 and add a bunch at once? idk

edit: idk why i was interested to try T - i got 9:17 on 2nd try, I guess P would be even faster with probes not having to stick around to build nex/pylons

LG)Sabbath

Argentina2777 Posts

September 02 2019 23:16 GMT

#14

10:10 or something, at 100 supply you'd think that 11 hatcheries is enough but no, 3k minerals and no larva, gotta get like 20 hatcheries

WGT-Baal

France2419 Posts

September 03 2019 03:54 GMT

#15

first try 10:03

this is actually fairly hard, you do need way more hatch than you think

kogeT

Poland1453 Posts

September 03 2019 11:11 GMT

#16

On September 03 2019 08:16 LG)Sabbath wrote:
10:10 or something, at 100 supply you'd think that 11 hatcheries is enough but no, 3k minerals and no larva, gotta get like 20 hatcheries

When I did it 1st time I had 1 drone per mineral in 9 expos and 17 hathes. :p And yes, I felt like 20+ hatchies would given me a time of 9:15-9:20 easily

LG)Sabbath

Argentina2777 Posts

September 03 2019 12:33 GMT

#17

20 is too much, in fact 18 is too much at least with 4 expos but you got more so I don't know, the sweet spot is maybe 5-6 expos with 16 hatches