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#challenge - max out zerg with only drones

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coffeesession
Profile Blog Joined August 2019
62 Posts
August 30 2019 14:07 GMT
#1
Hi. I'm practicing macro and I've come up with a challenge. Here it goes:

#challenge: max out zerg on drones only in under 10:00 or better.

conditions:
1. map = CircuitBreakers 1.0 (current ladder ver)
2. vs no opponent (launch vs computer and set to closed before the countdown ends).
3. the exact moment u hit 200/200 counts as the result.

Under 10:00, on that map, is a rather non-issue for any stronger player.

(sorry if this is not the proper section to post it to, if that is the case please move the post)
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
August 30 2019 15:24 GMT
#2
So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards)
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coffeesession
Profile Blog Joined August 2019
62 Posts
August 30 2019 15:59 GMT
#3
My current best - 9:58. On 22 attempts - I succeeded 2x (200/200 before 10:00). Went over 10:30 3x. Went over 11:00 2x (two first attempts). On average I do it in about 10:15.
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1183 Posts
August 30 2019 18:23 GMT
#4
As warmups every once in awhile I do 9 minute drills and 15 min Max challenges. I use the drills specifically for ZVP since it's the macro based matchup. with the 9 minute drill I follow a specific build then get as many hydras I can after getting 42 drones, and with 15 I get to Defiler tech by 12 mins and max out before 15.
Flash should fear Sacsri
LV_426
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland432 Posts
August 30 2019 18:26 GMT
#5
On August 31 2019 00:24 kogeT wrote:
So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards)


200/200 drones only ?
coffeesession
Profile Blog Joined August 2019
62 Posts
August 30 2019 19:19 GMT
#6
On August 31 2019 03:26 LV_426 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2019 00:24 kogeT wrote:
So what is your score? Btw Flash did 200/200 before 10min vs like a 2000 mmr protoss (and won afterwards)


200/200 drones only ?


Drones, Overlords. No other units allowed.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1594 Posts
August 31 2019 02:28 GMT
#7
First attempt, 9:59. I didnt make enough hatches and had 5 bases. I think that's enough of that
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28646 Posts
August 31 2019 10:05 GMT
#8
got to 9:34 on third try. Should be possible for faster players to do it a bit faster, but I think the approach was a good one - spread out very quickly, but once you get to the 80 drone stage start massing hatches and start caring less about having drones perfectly spread around, because you're about to get way more income than you're able to spend anyway. (first two attempts were 9:52 and 9:49)
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coffeesession
Profile Blog Joined August 2019
62 Posts
August 31 2019 18:02 GMT
#9
here's a model assumption of how zerg macro works in general.

concept[image loading]

the point of this model is to find out where and in what conditions it is wrong so a new and better one can be constructed.

it doesn't involve performance in real time factors - it's exclusively about understanding conceptually how the optimal macro really looks like (when that is complete one can start involving practical
performance factors, at least that's the approach taken there for now)

very simple model and nothing special but I wonder how do you see optimal macro in concept
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
August 31 2019 22:46 GMT
#10
9:45 on 1st attempt. Could have saved 20~ sec on more hatheries earlier probably.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 06:19:58
September 01 2019 06:17 GMT
#11
my best is 9:50 keep getting supply block my macro is badd reeee

i wonder if gunning right for the 4 main starting bases would be most optimal, they provide 9 starting mineral fields the highest as opposed to the 7/8 in the other expo areas. highest mineral saturation output would more than make up for the longer drone transfer distances?

also anyone interested in the terran/toss version :D?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
September 01 2019 14:47 GMT
#12
I did it in 10:15 first attempt, think I needed to get those last hatches up a bit faster.
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ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-02 03:40:31
September 02 2019 00:07 GMT
#13
My best after 4 tries was 9:35 (twice). Could definitely be faster. Not sure when the best time is to start adding hatches but i added them up as minerals allowed without cutting production much, might be better to stop drone production for a round or 2 and add a bunch at once? idk

edit: idk why i was interested to try T - i got 9:17 on 2nd try, I guess P would be even faster with probes not having to stick around to build nex/pylons
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
September 02 2019 23:16 GMT
#14
10:10 or something, at 100 supply you'd think that 11 hatcheries is enough but no, 3k minerals and no larva, gotta get like 20 hatcheries
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3353 Posts
September 03 2019 03:54 GMT
#15
first try 10:03

this is actually fairly hard, you do need way more hatch than you think
Horang2 fan
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
September 03 2019 11:11 GMT
#16
On September 03 2019 08:16 LG)Sabbath wrote:
10:10 or something, at 100 supply you'd think that 11 hatcheries is enough but no, 3k minerals and no larva, gotta get like 20 hatcheries


When I did it 1st time I had 1 drone per mineral in 9 expos and 17 hathes. :p And yes, I felt like 20+ hatchies would given me a time of 9:15-9:20 easily
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
September 03 2019 12:33 GMT
#17
20 is too much, in fact 18 is too much at least with 4 expos but you got more so I don't know, the sweet spot is maybe 5-6 expos with 16 hatches
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10129 Posts
September 03 2019 14:40 GMT
#18
Similar to this:

https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/64371-contest-macro-king-reaching-population-limit
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 04 2019 09:58 GMT
#19
I made a thread like this several years ago as well but I did a video on fastest map
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
September 04 2019 10:01 GMT
#20
heres the thread https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/59923-video-world-record-supply-max-out-800-min?page=3
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