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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
because 5rax will literally be at your doorstep with 24ish mnm by the time your mutas pop at 715-730 you can get away with 16g but it's weaker/suboptimal. modern 3h muta goes 13h 12g, saviors 16g hasn't been used in like a decade at this point 3h lurker is fine until you get pretty high on the ladder. you can ignore muta builds for a while to simplify gameplay | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 28 2018 22:24 Dead9 wrote: I just tested this 16 hatch/16 gas timing and was able to get my mutas to pop at 6:46 or so, a full eleven were morphed and done by 6:55, and that was with me throwing down 4 sunkens before mutas popped. Had a 34 drone economy when i switched into mutas.whats ur mmr because 5rax will literally be at your doorstep with 24ish mnm by the time your mutas pop at 715-730 you can get away with 16g but it's weaker/suboptimal. modern 3h muta goes 13h 12g, saviors 16g hasn't been used in like a decade at this point 3h lurker is fine until you get pretty high on the ladder. you can ignore muta builds for a while to simplify gameplay | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1571 Posts
On November 28 2018 22:24 Dead9 wrote: whats ur mmr because 5rax will literally be at your doorstep with 24ish mnm by the time your mutas pop at 715-730 you can get away with 16g but it's weaker/suboptimal. modern 3h muta goes 13h 12g, saviors 16g hasn't been used in like a decade at this point 3h lurker is fine until you get pretty high on the ladder. you can ignore muta builds for a while to simplify gameplay My mmr is 1960 but I don't think it is relevant to the topic. I did precise that sAviOr did 15g, I do 16 because I prefer also here is a vod and it was in 2015. Please investigate a bit before throwing statement like that. Also Dazed. this bo is a good starting point to learn z v t before getting into more sophisticated opening, you will do good with that, once you feel more comfortable in the match up you can start trying different things. What you want is to be able to have 9 mutas and engage into the midgame without suffering too much. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
my bad i meant mutas reach their base at 715-730. typical mutas hit at about 645-700 look at a few random pro fpvod, game, or replay, almost all of them are going to be 12g for 3h muta yes i'm sure you can cherry-pick some late gas examples but they are few and far between and again yes you can get away with 16g but it's weaker/suboptimal if it works for you that's great but modern 3h muta is 12g because the muta timing is so important 16g pushes your hive timing back a bit as well, which is another cornerstone of modern zvt | ||
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QuadroX
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iFU.pauline
France1571 Posts
On November 29 2018 03:15 Dead9 wrote: mmr matters because at lower mmrs you can get away with pretty much anything my bad i meant mutas reach their base at 715-730. typical mutas hit at about 645-700 look at a few random pro fpvod, game, or replay, almost all of them are going to be 12g for 3h muta yes i'm sure you can cherry-pick some late gas examples but they are few and far between and again yes you can get away with 16g but it's weaker/suboptimal if it works for you that's great but modern 3h muta is 12g because the muta timing is so important 16g pushes your hive timing back a bit as well, which is another cornerstone of modern zvt Those details don't make a difference at 2000mmr. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 25 2018 06:31 hiro protagonist wrote: Flash's stream on more than one occasion while off racing as z he will go for a build that looks 2hatch muta when really he is going 2.5 hatch with the 3rd hatch at another gas expo. By the time the terran has figured it out, (but already built unnecessary turrets), there are lurkers at the 3rd and his nat, keeping him safe from any mnm. from there, he techs super fast to hive for defilers. One detail that he does that ive never seen anyone else do is that while morphing to hive he starts leap froging spore colony's. This keeps his his defilers safe while the vessel count is still low enough. ill see if i can find a vod for it. Edit: Here is an example with flash offracing vs larva: Did you mean spores or sunkens? I watched the VOD and I saw him doing it with sunkens while his hive was morphing. If there's one thing we know about Flash is that if he does something differently, it's definitely worth thinking deeply about it. | ||
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