• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:30
CEST 13:30
KST 20:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent9Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues22LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers? Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
The Korean Terminology Thread Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent FlaSh on ACS Winners being in ASL ASL20 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group B [ASL20] Ro16 Group A Is there English video for group selection for ASL BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Iron Harvest: 1920+ General RTS Discussion Thread Diablo IV S10 Infernal Tides Guide Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1317 users

TvZ best overall build orders

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
radu_121
Profile Joined June 2017
2 Posts
June 03 2017 23:02 GMT
#1
Hey, so I am getting back into BW waiting for the remastered version and I am having some trouble against Zerg as a Terran.

Since there are so many build orders out there vs Zerg, I was just wondering which are the best ones for a well rounded play, so I know what to focus on first. Atm I am only playing FE Build and getting decent at it. Any other non-all in tricky builds that I could focus on and that can be applied on most maps ?

Thx.
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
June 03 2017 23:17 GMT
#2
--- Nuked ---
Writer
[nkc]moon
Profile Joined September 2016
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 00:49:17
June 04 2017 00:48 GMT
#3
3 rax 2x vessel

5 rax tank rush

Flashs 2 rax firebat push
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States876 Posts
June 04 2017 02:23 GMT
#4
+1 5 barrack
+1 4 barrack fast tech
3 barrack two startport into late mech( fast 4 vessels) <= this one is trendy and was mixed up with +1 5 barrack in bo5 bo3 series vs larva
Life is just life
radu_121
Profile Joined June 2017
2 Posts
June 04 2017 06:41 GMT
#5
Thx for the replies
TwiggyWan
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
France330 Posts
June 04 2017 18:29 GMT
#6
1 rax FE into :
5 rax +1 attack vs 3 hatch play
2 rax acad vs 2 hatch

Follow these up with either :
mech switch
sk terran with 2 starports flash style
No bad days
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
June 04 2017 20:03 GMT
#7
8 rax
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3129 Posts
June 08 2017 23:03 GMT
#8
There's a lot of builds out there but ain't none of them got shit on +1 5 rax
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
June 09 2017 01:09 GMT
#9
What is the standard way to adapt a +1 5 Rax against a 2 Hat Mutas?
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
June 09 2017 03:16 GMT
#10
On June 09 2017 10:09 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What is the standard way to adapt a +1 5 Rax against a 2 Hat Mutas?


Your scouting scv should know whether he's going 2 or 3 hatches before you take your gas, so if you were planning to go +1 5 rax and see 2 hatch don't take your gas and go 2 rax acad and tech to vessels asap. You don't want to go +1 5 rax against 2 hatch muta.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 03:53:32
June 09 2017 03:53 GMT
#11
On June 09 2017 12:16 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 10:09 EsX_Raptor wrote:
What is the standard way to adapt a +1 5 Rax against a 2 Hat Mutas?


Your scouting scv should know whether he's going 2 or 3 hatches before you take your gas, so if you were planning to go +1 5 rax and see 2 hatch don't take your gas and go 2 rax acad and tech to vessels asap. You don't want to go +1 5 rax against 2 hatch muta.

I think you used to be able to open with a 4rax +1 and over run 2hatch muta back in the day. I dont see many people going 2hatch anymore though.

Regardless i always try and tech up though cause you cant ever tell these days if its something dumb like 2hatch lurker or not
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-09 05:01:18
June 09 2017 05:00 GMT
#12
Highly recommend att1 4 rax tech.
Theres a youtube video in my channel to learn att1 5rax. Just dont put the 5th rax. Everything is same b.o
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
June 09 2017 05:55 GMT
#13
On June 09 2017 14:00 LaStScan wrote:
Highly recommend att1 4 rax tech.
Theres a youtube video in my channel to learn att1 5rax. Just dont put the 5th rax. Everything is same b.o

Is this vs 2 hat muta?
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
June 09 2017 06:05 GMT
#14
On June 09 2017 14:55 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2017 14:00 LaStScan wrote:
Highly recommend att1 4 rax tech.
Theres a youtube video in my channel to learn att1 5rax. Just dont put the 5th rax. Everything is same b.o

Is this vs 2 hat muta?


Vs 3h any.
Vs 2h, you should play 2 rax aca always(if you want to play standard). If you want a mind game (saying that you know zerg wont make much of lings into 2h muta), you can def go att1 4 rax.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28682 Posts
June 10 2017 16:56 GMT
#15
As zerg I like playing more against +1 5 rax than against +1 4 rax with faster factory and vessel timing. As terran I find +1 5rax easier to play with, though.
Moderator
krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
June 10 2017 17:06 GMT
#16
On June 11 2017 01:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
As zerg I like playing more against +1 5 rax than against +1 4 rax with faster factory and vessel timing. As terran I find +1 5rax easier to play with, though.


I'm a new player and was told to play 5rax, but vs any fast lurker play the build feels very fragile. Would you say 4rax and faster factory and starport is a better build vs all situations (mutas or lurkers) for a beginner, and would you recommend pushing out at the "normal" 5rax timing, or wait for tanks and do a big pre defiler push?

Thank you.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28682 Posts
June 10 2017 20:20 GMT
#17
vs lurker as a beginner you should definitely be better off with 4 rax 1 factory. marine micro vs burrowed lurkers is really difficult. And vs lurker openings I'd really recommend having a couple bunkers in your choke point.
Moderator
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
10:05
Maestros of the Game Ro24 B
ByuN vs ZounLIVE!
Serral vs TBD
Ryung vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings222
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech80
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40523
Shuttle 1570
Bisu 1568
Flash 902
BeSt 843
Larva 507
EffOrt 443
actioN 269
Mini 266
Stork 264
[ Show more ]
sSak 247
firebathero 188
Backho 160
Last 146
Barracks 132
Light 123
TY 111
Soma 105
hero 102
Mong 95
Rush 85
ToSsGirL 82
Mind 76
ZerO 67
zelot 63
PianO 56
Liquid`Ret 47
Nal_rA 29
Sharp 25
Noble 21
Movie 19
scan(afreeca) 14
yabsab 14
Sacsri 14
soO 12
HiyA 10
sorry 10
Hm[arnc] 8
Icarus 4
Shine 4
Dota 2
Dendi582
XaKoH 503
BananaSlamJamma252
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1179
shoxiejesuss493
x6flipin416
allub35
edward34
Other Games
singsing1513
B2W.Neo331
crisheroes301
Happy274
DeMusliM244
Mew2King43
QueenE26
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick785
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 600
UltimateBattle 24
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 26
• iHatsuTV 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV389
League of Legends
• Jankos1193
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
30m
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
MaxPax vs Creator
TBD vs Classic
OSC
4h 30m
Moja vs Babymarine
Solar vs TBD
sOs vs goblin
Nice vs INexorable
sebesdes vs Iba
Nicoract vs TBD
NightMare vs TBD
OSC
12h 30m
ReBellioN vs PAPI
Spirit vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
TriGGeR vs TBD
Shameless vs UedSoldier
Cham vs TBD
Harstem vs TBD
RSL Revival
22h 30m
Cure vs SHIN
Reynor vs Zoun
Kung Fu Cup
1d
The PondCast
1d 1h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
[ Show More ]
BSL Team Wars
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
3 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.