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Want to play Brood War. Help me pick a race!

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Leffigi
Profile Joined October 2015
3 Posts
October 12 2015 07:25 GMT
#1
Hello I'm trying to play Brood War to get some nostalgia but I don't know what race to play right now. I'm a toss player in SC2 but toss doesn't feel right to me in Brood War. I'm basically looking for a very aggressive race that can strike easily. I favor micro but macro works too. I tried Zerg but there pretty hard to learn. So anyone reply could help me!
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No0n
Profile Joined March 2010
United States355 Posts
October 12 2015 07:35 GMT
#2
Toss is a very aggressive race that can strike easily IMO. I think if you try to learn it Toss would be ur race if u truly do like aggressive race that can strike easily.
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
October 12 2015 07:42 GMT
#3
All are hard to learn, there's no way around that... Zerg is probably your race based on that description. They can make quick changes strategic of direction, sudden attacks, constant hordes or smaller, well-micro'd forces. Focus on getting some basics down first, don't try to do too much at once. Find one play which you like and want to try for any reason, and give it a try! Maybe you like a certain unit and want to use strategies which focus on that unit, for example.

You would probably benefit from finding some people at a similar level to you. I'm not sure if there's any particular mechanism in place for this at the moment, but if you go into the ladder channel and shout for someone to play games with, you may well have some luck. Anyone who you enjoy playing with can go straight onto your friends list.

And have fun! That's the number one tip I've got for you after many years of playing.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 08:26:49
October 12 2015 08:23 GMT
#4
"I'm basically looking for a very aggressive race that can strike easily."

yeah zerg definitely.
plenty of aggressive builds for all matchups which allow you to hold the initiative and control the tempo of the game.
not to mention they are viable even at the highest level of the game
most popular is 2hatch muta for ZvT
3hatch hydra bust for ZvP
(there are variations on those and also other aggressive builds like 1 base lurker, 4/5 hatch hydra, even 5pool etc.)

frankly although toss is usually known as the cheese race it isn't really that good as an early game race tbh.
earlygame PvZ you can't do much outside of zealot based allins/pressure, which is usually utterly predictable and most good zergs are wise to your tricks. You need excellent mechanics and multitasking to do the bisu corsair/DT build properly.
overall zerg is the favored race in this matchup.

PvT is much nicer for cheeses but at higher levels Terrans are very solid and resilient, you won't be able to do much damage much less outright kill them unless you are lucky they forgot or delay in building ebay/scan/turrets
...at least in the lategame theres arbiters and carriers though


c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
October 12 2015 09:58 GMT
#5
Zerg takes some time to get used to because of its different mechanics but a quick and dirty tip would be to go Zerg and just 9 pool gas speedling every game. Expand if you get an advantage but you don't think you can kill the guy yet or you can't kill him and he's expanding. Conversely, kill the guy outright if you smell blood. the thought process will take some time but you'll learn it eventually.

Go watch some JulyZerg or [NC]YellOw games for lots of aggression ^_^

My 2 cents
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
October 12 2015 12:40 GMT
#6
On October 12 2015 16:25 Leffigi wrote:
Hello I'm trying to play Brood War to get some nostalgia but I don't know what race to play right now. I'm a toss player in SC2 but toss doesn't feel right to me in Brood War. I'm basically looking for a very aggressive race that can strike easily. I favor micro but macro works too. I tried Zerg but there pretty hard to learn. So anyone reply could help me!

Each race is hard to learn, but if you're not planning to be good at this game and only need a bit progress, then I'd suggest playing protoss. It is the easiest among low levels.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 15:52:29
October 12 2015 15:50 GMT
#7
This advice and these assertions are for low leagues:

The hardest thing about protoss will be using the P key to place pylons or build probes.

Their macro is substantially easier due to long building times and streamlined production (cycle through gateways every X seconds). At low levels you'll be the one with the initiative:

versus zerg:
- 1 base protoss build (corsair, reaver, dragoon all-in, etc)
- 2 base protoss (speedlot attack, mass corsairs, fast dark templars,..)

versus terran (I don't play pvt but from what I know):
- 1 gate tech (fast reaver, dark templar)
- 3 gate goon
- cheese (1 gate, 2 gate,...)


Controlling a max protoss army is also manageable as opposed to a max zerg army (or bio terran).
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
October 12 2015 16:31 GMT
#8
Protoss. 2 Gateways. Zealots. Win.
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 17:38:02
October 12 2015 17:37 GMT
#9
you should play protoss and do some 1 base builds

managing the zerg larva is too complciated. Terran mech is slow while bio is too difficult.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 10:33:37
October 12 2015 18:24 GMT
#10
Zerg and Terran can both play aggressively.

Terran:

TvZ: 9 min push. It's all about optimizing that attack and microing it. Multi pronged attacks and dropships are great, too. Bio is generally aggressive.

TvP: 3 base doom pushes, 2 base 4 - 6 fact pushes. 1 Base 2 fact (If he goes DTs, you have to defend). Vulture harassment in general.

TvT: You can't really just straight up shove an attack down your opponents throat in this match up, but you can aggressively secure areas on the map. Contain your opponent or take and hold more than 50% of the resources on the map. You can also play a style that revolves around doom drops

Zerg:

ZvT: 2 hatch muta. Keep making mutalisks non stop. Attack constantly, microing down marines. At the same time, expand and get more gas, so that you can make even more mutalisks. Eventually switch in to guardians, or in to standard lurker / defiler play.

ZvP: Hydralisk builds. You can do fake hydra busts, 5 hatch hydra, 4 hatch lair in to mass hydra, etc. If he under reacts, he dies. If he over reacts, he is behind economically. If he reacts perfectly, just keep playing in a more or less even game and transition in to normal ZvP. You are the one in control, he is the one reacting.
Or, you can rush to 4 bases, lots of drones, spam hydra lurker ling, and just attack with that.

ZvZ: The standard way to play this match up is muta scourge vs muta scourge micro battles. It also naturally favours the aggressor. You can come in and snipe his drones while his mutalisks are out of position. Watch Sziky vs TrutaCz ISL to see an example
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 12 2015 18:34 GMT
#11
IMO players at start should choose:
Beginner level: P
Amateur level: Z
Advanced level: T

Go Terran! Go real, go hard. One wrong move at early game like bad wall and you're dead. You need to count every move, need to know common build order against each race and make proper early defense against both toss ground army or zerg muta's.

But I suggest you playing random for a while before switching to get used for each race.
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ArmadA[NaS]
Profile Joined January 2014
United States347 Posts
October 12 2015 20:47 GMT
#12
Like Voddy said, you can play any race aggressively. Don't let people discourage you by saying some races are harder than others- they're all equally hard. A lot of the opinions in this thread are either completely not true, or simplifications. For example, Protoss macro being easier because of build times neglects the fact that in PvT lategame you need to make more production facilities than in any other matchup to adequately deal with the Terran lategame army (20 plus gates to remax) and that Terran mech has about the same build times anyway. In PvZ, sure the Zerg build times are less, but for much of the midgame in many builds you're just spamming Hydralisks, whereas you need a proper composition of goon/templar/zealot or you get out-dpsed by a tier 1.5 unit. Don't believe everything you read, go play random, try out some aggressive builds for each race and form your own opinion.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
October 13 2015 01:13 GMT
#13
I'd play zerg if it weren't for zvz *barf*
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
October 13 2015 02:43 GMT
#14
Just play all the races and see which one you like. Don't even worry about play style or strategy. Just be like "I think x is so cool" and then you'll have way more fun than trying to pick one race and trying to drill some strategy when you have so little experience.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
October 13 2015 02:45 GMT
#15
doubt he likes terran tho, OP post feels like he doesn't even considers it.
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 05:22:56
October 13 2015 05:17 GMT
#16
dont play Protoss, its very hard (micro macro).
(typical situation for p: omg! mutalisk killed my high templars and now 50 hydras atack me! or why i lost 100 units and killed only 1 tank?(say hello to 3-2 terran)).
choose terran/zerg. 0sh9sh8sh7sh6sh5sh4sh3sh2sh1sh, 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a.
1a2a3a4a5a, 1o2o3a4a5a, and nothing else
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 10:36:31
October 13 2015 10:22 GMT
#17
On October 13 2015 11:45 Probemicro wrote:
doubt he likes terran tho, OP post feels like he doesn't even considers it.


That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran.
Edit: All races are not equally hard when you are a beginner, that is simply not true. It becomes even when you get better, but there's no way a complete beginner is going to have the mechanics to play Terran bio as quickly as he'll pick up, for example, basic Protoss vs Protoss.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
October 13 2015 11:05 GMT
#18

That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran.
Edit: All races are not equally hard when you are a beginner, that is simply not true. It becomes even when you get better, but there's no way a complete beginner is going to have the mechanics to play Terran bio as quickly as he'll pick up, for example, basic Protoss vs Protoss.

pvp hard mu for beginner, coz too much strategies(fe, proxy gates, 2gate, 1gate->dt, gravity, obs, cheeses).
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
October 13 2015 12:03 GMT
#19
Play Zerg. Protoss need more fodder.
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Leffigi
Profile Joined October 2015
3 Posts
October 13 2015 13:20 GMT
#20
To ProbeMicro
I didn't mention terran just didn't mention him lol. Although I played a lot of random recently and I've gotten the highest success with terran and lowest with zerg.
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