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On October 13 2015 22:20 Leffigi wrote:
To ProbeMicro
I didn't mention terran just didn't mention him lol. Although I played a lot of random recently and I've gotten the highest success with terran and lowest with zerg.
well you should play terran then 
terran mech can be fun too! Bio is just waaaay too difficult for me. I reached D+ but when I play terran bio im like a D- or low D
To the person saying PvP is hard, at least it's hard strategically and not mechanically, like playing bio
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Play protoss, it's the easiest race to play. No micro required, 1a2a3a
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Isn't classic PvP just rock-paper-scissors on the smaller maps?
Mass goons > goons w/ obs > dt > mass goons
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On October 13 2015 20:05 idegelchik wrote:Show nested quote +
That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran.
Edit: All races are not equally hard when you are a beginner, that is simply not true. It becomes even when you get better, but there's no way a complete beginner is going to have the mechanics to play Terran bio as quickly as he'll pick up, for example, basic Protoss vs Protoss.
pvp hard mu for beginner, coz too much strategies(fe, proxy gates, 2gate, 1gate->dt, gravity, obs, cheeses).
it's the easiest mechanically.
And I don't think that PvP is strategically harder than other match ups. It wasn't for me. In fact, it was easier for me to grasp than TvT and ZvZ.
But strategy is different for different individuals. It depends on the nature of your mind.
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ZvZ is the hardest (to consistently win) match-up there is. Every single detail matters and you can be in a winning position one second but lose the next one.
I'm talking from my own experience. However, I also remember this being the general sentiment of the match-up until jaedong somehow came along and got a 80% win rate in zvz.
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On October 13 2015 19:22 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 11:45 Probemicro wrote:
doubt he likes terran tho, OP post feels like he doesn't even considers it. That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran.
I love it when T plays aggressive early in TvP. Use bunch of well placed tanks and mines here and there to chip away. Small number of really well placed things. Sometimes it makes amazing situations. I've had fights that last like 10minutes like this. (me playing P)
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On October 15 2015 06:57 ProMeTheus112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2015 19:22 vOdToasT wrote:On October 13 2015 11:45 Probemicro wrote:
doubt he likes terran tho, OP post feels like he doesn't even considers it. That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran. I love it when T plays aggressive early in TvP. Use bunch of well placed tanks and mines here and there to chip away. Small number of really well placed things. Sometimes it makes amazing situations. I've had fights that last like 10minutes like this. (me playing P)
Playing Terran aggressively is difficult, because you can't just go for it. You have to be aware of the situation and pick the correct aggressive move based on it. If you try to attack when you should be playing defensively, then you will die. That is why lots of people think that Terran can't be aggressive.
But you can always attack eventually. The question is how early, and with which kind of attack.
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All I am gonna say is that as a terran main who spent the last year I played offracing, PvP was the easiest (though also one of the most fun) matchups to learn. It didn't take me long to get to a point where I could take many games off protoss players who were like 60% vs my terran. I think with a little bit of vod research it is easy to understand PvP deeper than most toss below (former) B- level on iccup.
I have met a lot of terrans (especially on fish) that like to derp fast aggressive Fact cc Fact and 3 Fact followups to there openings in TvP. Progamers like Ssak do it occasionally to. Personally I think it is a relatively gimmicky way to play TvP though it is really powerful and probably is a better way to start learning the TvP matchup compared to the blind 5 fact pushes most terrans default to.
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On October 17 2015 12:49 puppykiller wrote:
I have met a lot of terrans (especially on fish) that like to derp fast aggressive Fact cc Fact and 3 Fact followups to there openings in TvP. Progamers like Ssak do it occasionally to. Personally I think it is a relatively gimmicky way to play TvP though it is really powerful and probably is a better way to start learning the TvP matchup compared to the blind 5 fact pushes most terrans default to.
It's gimmicky if you just go for it without thinking.
If you assess the situation, and see that it can do well, then it's just good decision making.
It's the same thing with 2 gate PvT or 1 base reaver, or 2 gate robo from 1 base.
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These kind of questions are a bit silly. A newbie can pick up and struggle with any race, and will struggle, really. The primary thing about learning a game and enjoying a game is that it is enjoyed, so pick the race you find the funnest. And if you are really, honest to god awful, then you shouldnt be picking a race, because you arent in a position to identify what you find the most fun. Play, and pick your own race, no ones advice is going to mean a damn relative to what you enjoy doing.
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I think Terran is hard race for beginner player... choise P
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It all comes down to personal preference.
Reading your post leaves me thinking that your only remaining option is Terran. I loved Terran in BW, I absolute despise them in SC2. Zerg was fun in BW and I like them in SC2. I am not a fan of Protoss in either game.
Terran can be aggressive (marine/firebat/medic timings, 6 rax, 2 rax, siege drops, vulture rush, etc.) or they can be a powerhouse that slowly creeps across the map building in strength as time goes on (standard TvP tank pushes, mech play, etc.) Sadly, Terran in SC2 is pretty much TvZ:bio, TvT:bio, TvP:bio.
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If you want to have a less painful time I would recommend that you don't start as Terran. You will hate your life for at least a year.Instead. Instead play only Protoss until you can hit C- on iccup using macro style and then change to Terran or Zerg.
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On November 04 2015 16:58 puppykiller wrote:
If you want to have a less painful time I would recommend that you don't start as Terran. You will hate your life for at least a year.Instead. Instead play only Protoss until you can hit C- on iccup using macro style and then change to Terran or Zerg. Bad advice. Lots of low level players enjoy terran/zerg, playing all the races helps generate more understanding and mechanical variation, etc. My first three months on iccup (almost a decade now at this point) I couldnt win a game with any race. And every game more or less went the same way, I took an expansion, built a couple workers, realized I had 3 grand in the bank and an army was in the process of killing me. Woops. Until you reach a certain basic level of competency your going to have similar frustrating failures, that later the more biased amongst us, will look back on as 'the worst' examples of starting out. But they arent.
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Bro I went through the same process you did. The reason I recommend starting toss is just because you have less shit you have to deal with at low levels so you can get a handle on the game quicker.
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terran is hardest race at lower levels.
chiefly because of tvz you need really good m&m control (which even terrans at higher level can still struggle with) otherwise any random zerg that knows how to do proper muta stack micro would just pwn you.
tvp you will face all kinds of bullshit from protoss. although not so bad since terrans themselves can do things like 2fact and 2base 4/5 fact push...its the vZ thats tough
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Don't you guys think it's kind of hard to be both good and play just for nostalgia at the same time if you weren't good at the game before?
I say let OP pick the race he likes the most stylistically and then wing it.
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On November 05 2015 13:13 puppykiller wrote:
Bro I went through the same process you did. The reason I recommend starting toss is just because you have less shit you have to deal with at low levels so you can get a handle on the game quicker. Yep...and if my last post didn't clue you in, im disagreeing with your conclusion.
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