EPTWant to play Brood War. Help me pick a race!
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Leffigi
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No0n
United States355 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1688 Posts
You would probably benefit from finding some people at a similar level to you. I'm not sure if there's any particular mechanism in place for this at the moment, but if you go into the ladder channel and shout for someone to play games with, you may well have some luck. Anyone who you enjoy playing with can go straight onto your friends list. And have fun! That's the number one tip I've got for you after many years of playing. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
yeah zerg definitely. plenty of aggressive builds for all matchups which allow you to hold the initiative and control the tempo of the game. not to mention they are viable even at the highest level of the game most popular is 2hatch muta for ZvT 3hatch hydra bust for ZvP (there are variations on those and also other aggressive builds like 1 base lurker, 4/5 hatch hydra, even 5pool etc.) frankly although toss is usually known as the cheese race it isn't really that good as an early game race tbh. earlygame PvZ you can't do much outside of zealot based allins/pressure, which is usually utterly predictable and most good zergs are wise to your tricks. You need excellent mechanics and multitasking to do the bisu corsair/DT build properly. overall zerg is the favored race in this matchup. PvT is much nicer for cheeses but at higher levels Terrans are very solid and resilient, you won't be able to do much damage much less outright kill them unless you are lucky they forgot or delay in building ebay/scan/turrets ...at least in the lategame theres arbiters and carriers though  | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Go watch some JulyZerg or [NC]YellOw games for lots of aggression ^_^ My 2 cents | ||
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Piste
6177 Posts
On October 12 2015 16:25 Leffigi wrote: Hello I'm trying to play Brood War to get some nostalgia but I don't know what race to play right now. I'm a toss player in SC2 but toss doesn't feel right to me in Brood War. I'm basically looking for a very aggressive race that can strike easily. I favor micro but macro works too. I tried Zerg but there pretty hard to learn. So anyone reply could help me! Each race is hard to learn, but if you're not planning to be good at this game and only need a bit progress, then I'd suggest playing protoss. It is the easiest among low levels. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
The hardest thing about protoss will be using the P key to place pylons or build probes. Their macro is substantially easier due to long building times and streamlined production (cycle through gateways every X seconds). At low levels you'll be the one with the initiative: versus zerg: - 1 base protoss build (corsair, reaver, dragoon all-in, etc) - 2 base protoss (speedlot attack, mass corsairs, fast dark templars,..) versus terran (I don't play pvt but from what I know): - 1 gate tech (fast reaver, dark templar) - 3 gate goon - cheese (1 gate, 2 gate,...) Controlling a max protoss army is also manageable as opposed to a max zerg army (or bio terran). | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
managing the zerg larva is too complciated. Terran mech is slow while bio is too difficult. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
Terran: TvZ: 9 min push. It's all about optimizing that attack and microing it. Multi pronged attacks and dropships are great, too. Bio is generally aggressive. TvP: 3 base doom pushes, 2 base 4 - 6 fact pushes. 1 Base 2 fact (If he goes DTs, you have to defend). Vulture harassment in general. TvT: You can't really just straight up shove an attack down your opponents throat in this match up, but you can aggressively secure areas on the map. Contain your opponent or take and hold more than 50% of the resources on the map. You can also play a style that revolves around doom drops Zerg: ZvT: 2 hatch muta. Keep making mutalisks non stop. Attack constantly, microing down marines. At the same time, expand and get more gas, so that you can make even more mutalisks. Eventually switch in to guardians, or in to standard lurker / defiler play. ZvP: Hydralisk builds. You can do fake hydra busts, 5 hatch hydra, 4 hatch lair in to mass hydra, etc. If he under reacts, he dies. If he over reacts, he is behind economically. If he reacts perfectly, just keep playing in a more or less even game and transition in to normal ZvP. You are the one in control, he is the one reacting. Or, you can rush to 4 bases, lots of drones, spam hydra lurker ling, and just attack with that. ZvZ: The standard way to play this match up is muta scourge vs muta scourge micro battles. It also naturally favours the aggressor. You can come in and snipe his drones while his mutalisks are out of position. Watch Sziky vs TrutaCz ISL to see an example | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
Beginner level: P Amateur level: Z Advanced level: T Go Terran! Go real, go hard. One wrong move at early game like bad wall and you're dead. You need to count every move, need to know common build order against each race and make proper early defense against both toss ground army or zerg muta's. But I suggest you playing random for a while before switching to get used for each race. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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Probemicro
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
(typical situation for p: omg! mutalisk killed my high templars and now 50 hydras atack me! or why i lost 100 units and killed only 1 tank?(say hello to 3-2 terran)). choose terran/zerg. 0sh9sh8sh7sh6sh5sh4sh3sh2sh1sh, 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a. 1a2a3a4a5a, 1o2o3a4a5a, and nothing else  | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 13 2015 11:45 Probemicro wrote: doubt he likes terran tho, OP post feels like he doesn't even considers it. That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran. Edit: All races are not equally hard when you are a beginner, that is simply not true. It becomes even when you get better, but there's no way a complete beginner is going to have the mechanics to play Terran bio as quickly as he'll pick up, for example, basic Protoss vs Protoss. | ||
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran. Edit: All races are not equally hard when you are a beginner, that is simply not true. It becomes even when you get better, but there's no way a complete beginner is going to have the mechanics to play Terran bio as quickly as he'll pick up, for example, basic Protoss vs Protoss. pvp hard mu for beginner, coz too much strategies(fe, proxy gates, 2gate, 1gate->dt, gravity, obs, cheeses). | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
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Leffigi
3 Posts
I didn't mention terran just didn't mention him lol. Although I played a lot of random recently and I've gotten the highest success with terran and lowest with zerg. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 13 2015 22:20 Leffigi wrote: To ProbeMicro I didn't mention terran just didn't mention him lol. Although I played a lot of random recently and I've gotten the highest success with terran and lowest with zerg. well you should play terran then terran mech can be fun too! Bio is just waaaay too difficult for me. I reached D+ but when I play terran bio im like a D- or low D To the person saying PvP is hard, at least it's hard strategically and not mechanically, like playing bio | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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riotjune
United States3393 Posts
Mass goons > goons w/ obs > dt > mass goons | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 13 2015 20:05 idegelchik wrote: pvp hard mu for beginner, coz too much strategies(fe, proxy gates, 2gate, 1gate->dt, gravity, obs, cheeses). it's the easiest mechanically. And I don't think that PvP is strategically harder than other match ups. It wasn't for me. In fact, it was easier for me to grasp than TvT and ZvZ. But strategy is different for different individuals. It depends on the nature of your mind. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
I'm talking from my own experience. However, I also remember this being the general sentiment of the match-up until jaedong somehow came along and got a 80% win rate in zvz. | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On October 13 2015 19:22 vOdToasT wrote: That is a classic mistake by aggressive players. They have misconceptions about Terran. I love it when T plays aggressive early in TvP. Use bunch of well placed tanks and mines here and there to chip away. Small number of really well placed things. Sometimes it makes amazing situations. I've had fights that last like 10minutes like this. (me playing P) | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 15 2015 06:57 ProMeTheus112 wrote: I love it when T plays aggressive early in TvP. Use bunch of well placed tanks and mines here and there to chip away. Small number of really well placed things. Sometimes it makes amazing situations. I've had fights that last like 10minutes like this. (me playing P) Playing Terran aggressively is difficult, because you can't just go for it. You have to be aware of the situation and pick the correct aggressive move based on it. If you try to attack when you should be playing defensively, then you will die. That is why lots of people think that Terran can't be aggressive. But you can always attack eventually. The question is how early, and with which kind of attack. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3128 Posts
I have met a lot of terrans (especially on fish) that like to derp fast aggressive Fact cc Fact and 3 Fact followups to there openings in TvP. Progamers like Ssak do it occasionally to. Personally I think it is a relatively gimmicky way to play TvP though it is really powerful and probably is a better way to start learning the TvP matchup compared to the blind 5 fact pushes most terrans default to. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 17 2015 12:49 puppykiller wrote: I have met a lot of terrans (especially on fish) that like to derp fast aggressive Fact cc Fact and 3 Fact followups to there openings in TvP. Progamers like Ssak do it occasionally to. Personally I think it is a relatively gimmicky way to play TvP though it is really powerful and probably is a better way to start learning the TvP matchup compared to the blind 5 fact pushes most terrans default to. It's gimmicky if you just go for it without thinking. If you assess the situation, and see that it can do well, then it's just good decision making. It's the same thing with 2 gate PvT or 1 base reaver, or 2 gate robo from 1 base. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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Defiler.Drone
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Mjolnir
912 Posts
Reading your post leaves me thinking that your only remaining option is Terran. I loved Terran in BW, I absolute despise them in SC2. Zerg was fun in BW and I like them in SC2. I am not a fan of Protoss in either game. Terran can be aggressive (marine/firebat/medic timings, 6 rax, 2 rax, siege drops, vulture rush, etc.) or they can be a powerhouse that slowly creeps across the map building in strength as time goes on (standard TvP tank pushes, mech play, etc.) Sadly, Terran in SC2 is pretty much TvZ:bio, TvT:bio, TvP:bio. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3128 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 04 2015 16:58 puppykiller wrote: Bad advice. Lots of low level players enjoy terran/zerg, playing all the races helps generate more understanding and mechanical variation, etc. My first three months on iccup (almost a decade now at this point) I couldnt win a game with any race. And every game more or less went the same way, I took an expansion, built a couple workers, realized I had 3 grand in the bank and an army was in the process of killing me. Woops. Until you reach a certain basic level of competency your going to have similar frustrating failures, that later the more biased amongst us, will look back on as 'the worst' examples of starting out. But they arent.If you want to have a less painful time I would recommend that you don't start as Terran. You will hate your life for at least a year.Instead. Instead play only Protoss until you can hit C- on iccup using macro style and then change to Terran or Zerg. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3128 Posts
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
chiefly because of tvz you need really good m&m control (which even terrans at higher level can still struggle with) otherwise any random zerg that knows how to do proper muta stack micro would just pwn you. tvp you will face all kinds of bullshit from protoss. although not so bad since terrans themselves can do things like 2fact and 2base 4/5 fact push...its the vZ thats tough | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
I say let OP pick the race he likes the most stylistically and then wing it. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 05 2015 13:13 puppykiller wrote: Yep...and if my last post didn't clue you in, im disagreeing with your conclusion. Bro I went through the same process you did. The reason I recommend starting toss is just because you have less shit you have to deal with at low levels so you can get a handle on the game quicker. | ||
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