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dM-Dragoon
Profile Joined April 2013
10 Posts
April 12 2013 03:40 GMT
#1
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Gaema Gowon is a legendary map that came out in 2002 and that was used on WGT, PGT, Iccup, as well as OGN Starleague.

Gaema Gowon is a micro-orientated map where it is incredibly difficult to expand. It is a one-of-a-kind kind of map that opens the door to unusual 1v1 builds and unusual 2v2 race combinations.

I know this map is imbalanced as hell, but isn't it a legendary map in the history of Broodwar? I have heard a lot of A+ old school players say it is one of there most memorable maps of all time.

PvT= Doable for both races, but the focus is on one-basing and micro, not macro.
PvZ= Doable for both races, but the Protoss has to 1base since he can't fast expand. Protoss has to play old-school builds.
TvZ= Zerg can't win. He has to 3hatch to cover the backdoor. Double expanding isn't as viable versus Terran IMO.

In 2vs2, ZZ teams are strongly disadvantaged on Gaema Gowon. To make up for this however, TP & PP teams are more playable on this map compared to any Iccup Map. TP and PP suck on all Iccup maps because any team with a Zerg can expand to be ahead.

PZvsTZ on this map is epic. It is 100% a micro game and it is incredibly difficult to expand at all for a long time.
PZvsPZ on this map is more fun because cannon ally builds for fast Mutalisks is an actually good build. Your opponents can't counter this build by both fast expanding.
Etc.
PP and TP is viable, but ZZ is not.

In conclusion, I would say this map is in some regards more balanced than Iccup maps in the 2v2 mode but ZZ can't win. 1v1 is too imbalanced because Zerg can't win against Terran on this map. This is certainly a 2v2 map.

Poll: Is Gaema Gowon a legendary map that all modern players should know abo

Yes (32)
 
82%

No (7)
 
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Your vote: Is Gaema Gowon a legendary map that all modern players should know abo

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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
April 12 2013 03:44 GMT
#2
You should include some sexy games in the OP :D I have to say, I didn't know about Gaema Gowon until I saw (Wiki)Fantasy but I'm not an old timer...
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
April 12 2013 05:56 GMT
#3
gaema had plenty of amazing games and i really liked the map, one of my favs of that era... im not sure its a total classic though, with the way modern bw is played some of the matchups are probably extremely difficult on it
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traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
April 12 2013 06:23 GMT
#4
It could definitely use a remake too...didn't look too closely before but like gas placements, ramps, etc..I know they hadn't discovered it at the time but hmmm....remaking this...maybe when Im bored...
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Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 12 2013 06:37 GMT
#5
better than a 12 vs 3 PvT on LT
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
April 12 2013 12:14 GMT
#6
This was one of my favourite maps back in the day, it probably wouldn't be balanced at all but if it was possible to get some kind of updated version of it I would definitely play it.
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SpaNiarD
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Spain351 Posts
April 12 2013 21:44 GMT
#7
I like this map a lot, but those 8 chokes of minerals makes it so micro map, which is a really outdated style nowadays
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
April 12 2013 21:50 GMT
#8
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 12 2013 22:52 GMT
#9
What does the name mean?
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10334 Posts
April 12 2013 23:53 GMT
#10
ahhh... i remember the bottom left hand corner of the map used in fantasy 2. the memories...

dat 12 protoss vs any of the other positions vs terran. would insta-gg xD
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dM-Dragoon
Profile Joined April 2013
10 Posts
April 13 2013 01:01 GMT
#11
Name means something like "junkyard".
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 01:18:05
April 13 2013 01:15 GMT
#12
On April 13 2013 10:01 dM-Dragoon wrote:
Name means something like "junkyard".


.... it's an English romanization of 개마고원 which literally means 'Gaema Plateau'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaema_Plateau

This was before Starcraft maps could be in Hangul, so the map 'Namja Iyagi' actually meant 남자이야기 which literally translates to 'Story of a Man'.

As for the best game on Gaema Gowon

+ Show Spoiler [Nada FPV] +

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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 13 2013 03:42 GMT
#13
Is the correct Anglicization Gaema or Kaema for the plateau?
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
abit
Profile Joined January 2013
Russian Federation19 Posts
April 13 2013 05:11 GMT
#14
hmmm, i remember that there was FPVOD [NC]Yellow vs Elky on this map...anybody can find it?
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
April 13 2013 05:48 GMT
#15
On April 13 2013 12:42 EatThePath wrote:
Is the correct Anglicization Gaema or Kaema for the plateau?


It's Gaema. A hard 'k' sound would use ㅋ instead.

This map owned and it was one of my favorites. It was close enough to Lost Temple that I could still find public games on it, but it was popular enough in the pro and progaming-fan circles that I could always get good private practice games on it too. 2v2s were really fun on it too. At the time, it had a pretty good race balance record as well.
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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 13 2013 06:35 GMT
#16
Thank you for the informative replies. ^^

I really want to make this into an sc2 map...
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
April 13 2013 07:19 GMT
#17
Gaema Gowon was already out of play by the time I started, but I remember that bottom left hand corner that was built in Fantasy 2.
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quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
April 13 2013 08:27 GMT
#18
I love that map, played so many fun games on it. xD
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 13 2013 09:15 GMT
#19
This map was clearly before my time, because I'm looking at it thinking "What is this abomination?"
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51559 Posts
April 13 2013 09:35 GMT
#20
On April 13 2013 15:35 EatThePath wrote:
Thank you for the informative replies. ^^

I really want to make this into an sc2 map...


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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 13 2013 10:02 GMT
#21
Just needs some collapsible rocks. XD
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 13 2013 13:34 GMT
#22
cut schmut
didnt make the cut
that sucks
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