! [Q] Dark swarm question - Page 5

On April 20 2006 14:53 GeneralCash wrote:
tank and bat have a weird way of dealing dmg. tank for example deals 70(+5) explosive dmg to the target he is attacking (i.e. the one targeted by ai or right clicking). he also does 35 splash dmg to units around the target (but not to the target, it's simmilar to next delay in diablo 2), which roughly equals 35*exp(-r/c), where r is distance to original target, and c is a constant attainable from editor if you have more nerves and time than me. afaik, this splash is not affected by upgrades. this type of dmg is why you might have seen two tanks kill a goon right off: the poor bastard picked ranged dmg from one tank (75) and splash from the other (a little under 35), and vice versa. so the effective dmg of each tank was around 100... so the fact that burrowed lurx are immune to splash is a miscoception made by a weird way tanks shoot (if they were immune to splash, then it would be impossible to do everyone's favourite trick with zeal and archon killing a lurx w/o detection). also, a tank can kill all lurx in a swarm (if they are close enough to each other) except the last one. 2 or more tanks will most likely kill a lurx if they shoot all together.
archon does not have either melee or ranged attack: he deals only splash dmg (like reaver or spider mine). his dmg seems to be less if in swarm, it has happened many times to me that a 3/0/0 archon cant kill as many lings as he could normally. i can think of three reasons why that might be: 1. - the constant of dissipation (c from the fomula for splash dmg) becomes bigger in swarm effectively reducing the "size" of splash and total dmg it does if it affects more than one unit; or 2. - upgrades are reduced, or even ignored in swarm; and finally 3. - a combination of 1. and 2. testing would be a complete waste of time, but might cure some curiosity... *hint to anyone with a lot of free time*

p.s. bats dont deal 3 splash attacks. they deal one melee attack (at range of 1) and 2 splash attacks. however, their splash is definitely affected by upgrades, just like archon's. like tanks, they can deal more dmg if the all attack the same target at the same time (3 of them will rape an archon).

On April 21 2006 06:23 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
Lolol if you were to place a zergling anywhere around the lurk it would have died.

On April 20 2006 13:53 Excalibur_Z wrote:

mentality "I may not know how much damage unit X does or how long the build time is for unit Y,
Most people who play the game do so without regard to specifics. Not everyone is a statistician like lololol and myself =] A lot of others don't really care so they will invent their own theories as to why certain things happen, guess at unit stats like HP/damage/range, etc. They play with the or how unit Z is affected by Dark Swarm, but I've played a lot of games so I can make educated estimations based on my in-game experiences." And that works fine for them on an individual basis. On topics like these requesting specific information, though, those estimations - and therefore the answers - will vary from person to person. That's the reason behind the misconceptions. It's not that it's a bad thing necessarily because typically threads like this one will come in handy every one in a thousand games, but it does promote productive discussion.

also, a tank can kill all lurx in a swarm (if they are close enough to each other) except the last one. 2 or more tanks will most likely kill a lurx if they shoot all together.

On April 22 2006 03:28 skyglow1 wrote:


I'm pretty sure he means unburrowed lurk here rather than burrowed as in the pics.