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Holorin
France227 Posts
invisble carriers and unreachable arbs ... must be a pain  i just watched some nal_ra replays in the replay section he went carriers all the times, but he's crazy, i mean stopping a 30 goliat attack with 3 carrs and 3 HT !!! he countered with micro a terran that out-macroed him ... for every player that fall behind on eco war pvt it is hard to get back without air units, and carrs are the only units with high damage | ||
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FroZZoR
China925 Posts
then again it's easier to be a newbie protoss and just get goon/zealot the whole game and get your timing down and the game is pretty simple but seriously if you can use storm like reach in the middle of a battle it will help you so much because once terran gets enough units, pure ground without storm won't stop them. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
ideally, a player wants to constantly storm drop, have temps along with their armies (especially carriers) storming any sort of tornado and whatnot, but i think most players will just end up losing most of their temps to small vult raids and not end up doing any damage with them. | ||
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LastWish
2015 Posts
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Holorin
France227 Posts
On June 25 2005 09:07 BigBalls wrote: obviously storm is good and has many uses, but i think the audience of this guide should NOT use storm and just stick to basics. ideally, a player wants to constantly storm drop, have temps along with their armies (especially carriers) storming any sort of tornado and whatnot, but i think most players will just end up losing most of their temps to small vult raids and not end up doing any damage with them. true for me, i ll often go into archons like 2-3 just not enough to make him get emp archon drop the mineral line, it's not better than reaver nor storm, it's just a personal touch | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
but to comment about the gundam thingy.. what about the variations of gundam? such as gundam fake to fast expo.. most people are use to seeing fast expo but with only 1-2 fact tank but instead gundam fast expo will result in early vultures... and depending on where the obs are and when they are, the vultures could scout the map pretty well and could even decide whether you will be able to move out or not cuz if u decide to take 2 expos against the T's fast expo and the terran decides to push fast with vultures and few tanks, it could be trouble for people who aernt good with micro or judgement i know this because i usually always do gundam variations and protosses often get confused of whether to take a 3rd expo or not | ||
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
¤ Do the usual 8 pylon, 10 gate, 12 gas, 14 core, 15 pylon, 17 goon build. ¤ At 20, add a robo. ¤ Goon at 21, and pylon at 24 (Approximate numbers; sometimes it's 22 goon, sometimes it's 21.) ¤ When the pylon finishes, start another goon, and when the robo finishes, start an observatory. ¤ Add a gate before the observatory finishes. ¤ Keep making goons, probes, and don't under-pylon. ¤ When the observatory finishes, build an observer. ¤ Start goon range when the first observer is about half-done. ¤ Send the first observer to the Terran main, and start a second observer. From there, just follow what BigBalls said about reacting to their build. Anyways, BigBalls, I have some questions for you: 1.) If they 1fact cc, you need to double-expo to keep up with them in terms of econ and unit production. Now obviously you need to balance getting those 2 nexuses, and then you eventually want to get to 5gates, citadel, and a forge (cannons really help when you're on your second expo). How do you decide what to build? What takes priority? I find that the citadel can really wait until you've got at least a total of 5 gates, and the forge takes last priority by far. 2.) When you go for arbiters, do you prefer to get stasis or recall, and why? | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
However, if you do, what i like to do is get 3 gates pumping goons, then make citadel, then add a few more gates and get legs, then keep adding gates and work your way to DT. I get cannons last, you only really need them if your opponent starts pushing, you move out to slow it and he runs vults around. When I go arbiters, I always go for stasis first. You need to be able to stop their frontal attack before you can even worry about attacking their mains or defended bases. I eventually get recall and when I have 3-4 arbiters, I can safely recall units into their base. If they counter attack me, I can stasis everything in sight and stop the attack. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
Thanks, BigBalls, for the advice. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
1. how do i get passed that early seal 2. how do i get rid of all the mines if he is covering them with seiged tanks thanks! | ||
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artofmagic
United States1951 Posts
my question is : What unit to build to face the push.. zlot goons just dies... unless he have poor micro and/or positioning. | ||
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sith
United States2474 Posts
yeah i can find out exactly what he's doing ,but keep in mind this is lost temple usually and he puts his tanks on the edge and just blows everything up that comes close | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
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iD.SuGoSu
Turkey77 Posts
-Never Dual Exp right away versus Fast CC order of Terran. Get an expansion first, make like 12 goon 4 zea in shuttle then maybe expo. Dual Expo can be killed so easy with 7 tank 12 vulture push. -Dont make range or Robotics till you kill the scouting scv in your base with dragoon. Those 2 thing can wait and it makes terran to play deffenssive. -Dont be lazy to make 2 cannon in each expansion. -Always upgrade when you get forge. -Give numbers like 12 zealot, 11 goon and obs instead of 7 goon 5 zea or things like this. You can kill mines easy with this. -You can kill mines without observer if you have at least 2 dragoon. Just move a bit and use hold command. If any mine comes up goons will kill it right away.(hold command makes goon attack much faster if any of you still dont know) -Never attack Terran if you are not sure. -Reaver strat versus terran is one of the most weakest cheese in the game. I ll write more when more comes to my mind right now. All i can say is dont trust BigBalls strats %100. Make your own strat while playing the game (unless you wanna cheese or something). So you can understand the situtation. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Doctorasul
Romania1145 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
what's iirc mean? | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
IIRC = If I recall correctly | ||
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RiSE
United States3182 Posts
Was a pretty good revival though | ||
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