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! [Q] When to get obs speed PvT

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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 18:46:25
March 14 2005 05:28 GMT
#1
Does anyone have a specific time that they upgrade obs speed in this matchup? I've seen some pros who do it before they even expand and i've seen some people who get it much later. Does anyone have a set time (with reason) that they upgrade theirs? Or prehaps as a result of something else? (like realizing that they're going fast dships)

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ToSsToRm
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada191 Posts
March 14 2005 05:46 GMT
#2
Personally I like to get obs range instead of speed.. I find it much more useful, they can see more turrets and mines without getting owned.... BUT if you would rather get speed I suggest right after you expand; gives you an advantage vs dropships
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Venlow
Profile Joined September 2004
United States110 Posts
March 14 2005 05:53 GMT
#3
only get it if terran is using dropships
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 14 2005 06:24 GMT
#4
depends on what the terran is doing if hes playing harass style with vulture dropship ur gonna want obs speed(its a bitch chasing vultures with slow obs), but if hes playing turtle/ slow push style u dont need it as early
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
March 14 2005 06:38 GMT
#5
I like to get obs speed when I'm beginning to go into mid game. It sucks when you can't lead by obs and have to stop your goons periodically to not die to mines, because your obs was too slow to keep up
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NasuHasano155
Profile Joined October 2004
United States47 Posts
March 14 2005 06:47 GMT
#6
Either after expo or when you see mine.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27178 Posts
March 14 2005 06:49 GMT
#7
On March 14 2005 15:38 hasuwar wrote:
I like to get obs speed when I'm beginning to go into mid game. It sucks when you can't lead by obs and have to stop your goons periodically to not die to mines, because your obs was too slow to keep up


I agree with this, but it may also be for the reason that the obs are in the wrong place to start with. I kow that when I play P, I don't position my obs in front of my army, simply leaving it over the goons. Giving the obs a head start means that the goons don't need to stop. Because I am a lazy lazy player, I just spend the cash for obs speed so I can stomp around with it rightclicked to one of my goons.
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
March 14 2005 07:19 GMT
#8
watch rekrul vs stylist[gm] in the replay section
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rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
March 14 2005 08:20 GMT
#9
In my personal opinion it would be better to get range instead of speed. In PvT yu ideally want to have as much of the middle covered with obs, with others patrolling expos and whatnot. When range finishes, you'll be able to see more of his push, which is best in knowing where the weak points are, and how to best deal with his push.
Famouzze
Profile Joined June 2004
971 Posts
March 15 2005 01:31 GMT
#10
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
March 15 2005 01:48 GMT
#11
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs
B.GoD_AnGRY
Profile Joined January 2003
Chile334 Posts
March 15 2005 02:13 GMT
#12
to follow drops and to take care of your carriers (vs cloacked wraiths)
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
March 15 2005 03:44 GMT
#13
I only get speed in pvz if zerg goes contain+_+ damn scourages +_+
4.Aiur
Profile Joined October 2002
United States995 Posts
March 15 2005 04:03 GMT
#14
I usually just get range. I never seem to be able to right+click on a dropship in time to make it of any use...so I find it more useful to have sight range.

I only get speed if I am going carriers and have a little extra gas and I suspect cloaked wraiths.
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
March 15 2005 04:16 GMT
#15
I get both usually, but the one I get first depends on what's happening in the game. If they're dropping I'll get speed first, otherwise range. 4-5 well placed obs with range is as good as a map hack.
rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
March 15 2005 04:51 GMT
#16
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?
That should have been pretty self-explanatory. It is my fault for not saying, so I apologize. You want obs speed so you can follow the dropships comfortably and not lose sight of it after two seconds. It would suck if he led you over some turrets, but no big deal. The idea is to generally know where he might try to drop.
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
March 15 2005 05:34 GMT
#17
On March 14 2005 14:46 ToSsToRm wrote:
Personally I like to get obs range instead of speed.. I find it much more useful, they can see more turrets and mines without getting owned.... BUT if you would rather get speed I suggest right after you expand; gives you an advantage vs dropships

Why not get both?
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
March 15 2005 05:53 GMT
#18
both is good but a lot of gas.
depends on how much gas you have. no pun intended.

i get speed first. range is really good if the person is using a lot of turrets.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
March 15 2005 09:34 GMT
#19
On March 15 2005 10:48 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs


ice burn : )
too easy
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
March 15 2005 09:51 GMT
#20
the main reason you want obs speed is so the observer will not lag behind your goons if you group it with your goons and it will stop your goons from needlessly getting hit by mines

i usually get it around the time my nexus at my natural will be warping in on temple when i go goon obs, i think it's very important to have in order to get your 2nd expansion safely and dominate the map
why so 진지해?
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
March 15 2005 16:51 GMT
#21
Is it a must? I would implement it in my pvt if it is really usefull. I know once u get it it will have his advantages but do ya need it to control the game?
Misca
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands605 Posts
March 15 2005 19:49 GMT
#22
it very handy to keep up with vultures and dropships.

It's no must, but it's very usefull to stop harassments.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
March 15 2005 20:01 GMT
#23
-obs. speed main reason as rekrul said is to keep after goons mainly because of killing minefields. Also speed may help if terran builds turret and your obs is nearby it will run faster from tower take less damage and hopefully survive. Catching dropships with obs may be an interesting idea though if u place your buildings/units effectively over the map u don't need it.
-obs range main reason would probably be to scan a greater part of terran camp when it has already been turreted.
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Pent
Profile Joined September 2004
Russian Federation270 Posts
March 27 2005 22:33 GMT
#24
Basically my opinion is: if you cannot determine difference between wide-range and non-upgraded obs, don't do the upgrade. If you do feel difference between fast and slow obs, do upgrade when you have free money. The first rule of BW!! Along with "explore", "build appropriate units", "never stay idle" etc.
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MANIAC LATINO
Profile Joined August 2005
United States3 Posts
August 16 2005 04:37 GMT
#25
if you knew how to play well enough, you should have enough resources to get both when you first start making obs
MANIAC LATIN
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
August 16 2005 04:45 GMT
#26
On August 16 2005 13:37 MANIAC LATINO wrote:
if you knew how to play well enough, you should have enough resources to get both when you first start making obs


Ban plz.

Get speed when he's going heavy harass, range if he's going more turtle style -> post max you should definitely get both in the end.
too easy
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
August 16 2005 05:00 GMT
#27
On March 15 2005 10:48 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs


lol nony got jokes
CastlesInTheSky
Profile Joined June 2005
United States40 Posts
August 16 2005 05:40 GMT
#28
I generally get it after my second gas starts kicking in. It helps a lot with clearing mines and not worrying about ob getting ahead of goons.
Knowledge speaks but wisdom listens. ~Jimi Hendrix
Caution
Profile Joined September 2004
2059 Posts
August 16 2005 18:37 GMT
#29
Please don't reopen 5 month old threads especially if your going to provide false advice -_-
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
August 16 2005 19:00 GMT
#30
What a massive bump. :/
Though this is a pretty interesting topic and I missed it back then :o

Obs speed usually depends on the build, the 150-150 can be invested into a hundred other things. IMO though most of the time people get it too early because slow units piss them off.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Codditer
Profile Joined March 2004
United States70 Posts
November 26 2005 05:20 GMT
#31
I used to get it whenever I had any carriers, otherwise the obs couldn't keep up. I'm not sure if it's a worthy investment before that - never tried it =]
no u
nArAnjO
Profile Joined October 2002
Peru2571 Posts
November 26 2005 05:36 GMT
#32
On March 15 2005 10:48 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs


Actually in my experience speed obs got nothing to do with dropships :/, if u spread your obs good enough u will always see where dropships are heading to. You just get shuttles with speed vs dropships... Why u want obs? so u see how terran drops at ur cliff and u die?, way better to have actual defense vs that than just seeing it happen don u think? ^^
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
November 26 2005 06:42 GMT
#33
gag at this thread revival and the poster above me
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Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-26 07:34:44
November 26 2005 07:03 GMT
#34
Speed imo is better PvT than PvZ, and range PvZ than PvT. Personal impression, though I generally not concern myself that much with it. Sometimes I lose matches because of neglecting this, but mostly it doesn't really matter.

Oh, novememberer agustusus... nm.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
November 26 2005 07:49 GMT
#35
On November 26 2005 15:42 hasuwar wrote:
gag at this thread revival and the poster above me


I'm genuinely confused as to how newbies find these old ass threads and then decide to post in them anyways.
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Luhh
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2974 Posts
November 26 2005 08:05 GMT
#36
Because they are told to use the search function.
I wouldn´t call him stupid, but let´s just say he´s unlucky when thinking...
NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
November 26 2005 20:11 GMT
#37
On November 26 2005 17:05 Luhh wrote:
Because they are told to use the search function.


No coz they didn't bother to really read the Recommended Threads topic started by grot?
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stLm
Profile Joined May 2007
United States9 Posts
May 29 2007 23:56 GMT
#38
i dont get observer speed..just get more observers
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
May 29 2007 23:57 GMT
#39
..................................................................................

Look at the date of your post and look at the date of the last post, look at your content, and tell me if you think what you posted was in any way smart or necessary
badteeth
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands1416 Posts
May 30 2007 01:22 GMT
#40
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T RESEARCH YOUR OB SPEED.
no quote for you! ehh, damn.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
May 30 2007 01:32 GMT
#41
HES RIGHT THOUGH! MASS ANYTHING ALWAYS WINZ THE STARCRAFTSS!
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
May 30 2007 02:01 GMT
#42
who's resurecting my old newbie threads!? ; )
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 30 2007 03:13 GMT
#43
OMG THAT GUY IS A GENIUS HAHAHAHA ROFL
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iGS.Sora
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada16 Posts
June 12 2007 13:28 GMT
#44
On March 14 2005 14:53 Venlow wrote:
only get it if terran is using dropships


That is stupid... jus get obs speed whenever you feel like you can afford it..or when the T starts laying down mines..i hate slow obsT_T..also i have never got obs range..i should probably try it out but w/e
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KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
June 12 2007 14:22 GMT
#45
rofl

this is beyond funny
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