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! [Q] When to get obs speed PvT

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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-18 18:46:25
March 14 2005 05:28 GMT
#1
Does anyone have a specific time that they upgrade obs speed in this matchup? I've seen some pros who do it before they even expand and i've seen some people who get it much later. Does anyone have a set time (with reason) that they upgrade theirs? Or prehaps as a result of something else? (like realizing that they're going fast dships)

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ToSsToRm
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada191 Posts
March 14 2005 05:46 GMT
#2
Personally I like to get obs range instead of speed.. I find it much more useful, they can see more turrets and mines without getting owned.... BUT if you would rather get speed I suggest right after you expand; gives you an advantage vs dropships
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Venlow
Profile Joined September 2004
United States110 Posts
March 14 2005 05:53 GMT
#3
only get it if terran is using dropships
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
March 14 2005 06:24 GMT
#4
depends on what the terran is doing if hes playing harass style with vulture dropship ur gonna want obs speed(its a bitch chasing vultures with slow obs), but if hes playing turtle/ slow push style u dont need it as early
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
March 14 2005 06:38 GMT
#5
I like to get obs speed when I'm beginning to go into mid game. It sucks when you can't lead by obs and have to stop your goons periodically to not die to mines, because your obs was too slow to keep up
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NasuHasano155
Profile Joined October 2004
United States47 Posts
March 14 2005 06:47 GMT
#6
Either after expo or when you see mine.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
March 14 2005 06:49 GMT
#7
On March 14 2005 15:38 hasuwar wrote:
I like to get obs speed when I'm beginning to go into mid game. It sucks when you can't lead by obs and have to stop your goons periodically to not die to mines, because your obs was too slow to keep up


I agree with this, but it may also be for the reason that the obs are in the wrong place to start with. I kow that when I play P, I don't position my obs in front of my army, simply leaving it over the goons. Giving the obs a head start means that the goons don't need to stop. Because I am a lazy lazy player, I just spend the cash for obs speed so I can stomp around with it rightclicked to one of my goons.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
March 14 2005 07:19 GMT
#8
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rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
March 14 2005 08:20 GMT
#9
In my personal opinion it would be better to get range instead of speed. In PvT yu ideally want to have as much of the middle covered with obs, with others patrolling expos and whatnot. When range finishes, you'll be able to see more of his push, which is best in knowing where the weak points are, and how to best deal with his push.
Famouzze
Profile Joined June 2004
971 Posts
March 15 2005 01:31 GMT
#10
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?
NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
March 15 2005 01:48 GMT
#11
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs
B.GoD_AnGRY
Profile Joined January 2003
Chile334 Posts
March 15 2005 02:13 GMT
#12
to follow drops and to take care of your carriers (vs cloacked wraiths)
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
March 15 2005 03:44 GMT
#13
I only get speed in pvz if zerg goes contain+_+ damn scourages +_+
4.Aiur
Profile Joined October 2002
United States995 Posts
March 15 2005 04:03 GMT
#14
I usually just get range. I never seem to be able to right+click on a dropship in time to make it of any use...so I find it more useful to have sight range.

I only get speed if I am going carriers and have a little extra gas and I suspect cloaked wraiths.
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
March 15 2005 04:16 GMT
#15
I get both usually, but the one I get first depends on what's happening in the game. If they're dropping I'll get speed first, otherwise range. 4-5 well placed obs with range is as good as a map hack.
rpf289
Profile Joined October 2004
United States3524 Posts
March 15 2005 04:51 GMT
#16
On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?
That should have been pretty self-explanatory. It is my fault for not saying, so I apologize. You want obs speed so you can follow the dropships comfortably and not lose sight of it after two seconds. It would suck if he led you over some turrets, but no big deal. The idea is to generally know where he might try to drop.
NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
March 15 2005 05:34 GMT
#17
On March 14 2005 14:46 ToSsToRm wrote:
Personally I like to get obs range instead of speed.. I find it much more useful, they can see more turrets and mines without getting owned.... BUT if you would rather get speed I suggest right after you expand; gives you an advantage vs dropships

Why not get both?
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
March 15 2005 05:53 GMT
#18
both is good but a lot of gas.
depends on how much gas you have. no pun intended.

i get speed first. range is really good if the person is using a lot of turrets.
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exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
March 15 2005 09:34 GMT
#19
On March 15 2005 10:48 NonY wrote:
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On March 15 2005 10:31 Famouzze wrote:
why would getting obs speed be related to the terran having dropships?


im guessing you dont know this since it's not related to DT-rushing.. but dropships are faster than obs without speed. so with speed upgrade, you can right click dship and follow it, whereas without speed upgrade, you basically can't know where the ship is at all times without mass obs


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too easy
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
March 15 2005 09:51 GMT
#20
the main reason you want obs speed is so the observer will not lag behind your goons if you group it with your goons and it will stop your goons from needlessly getting hit by mines

i usually get it around the time my nexus at my natural will be warping in on temple when i go goon obs, i think it's very important to have in order to get your 2nd expansion safely and dominate the map
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