EPT1) What is the underlying conceptual difference between ZvP builds named as per Liquipedia "3 Hatch Spire into 5 Hatch Hydra" and "6 Hatch Hydra"?
2) Does 6 Hatch Hydra give up some air control with regards to scourge?
Edit: Made a typo
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Fumapl
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1) What is the underlying conceptual difference between ZvP builds named as per Liquipedia "3 Hatch Spire into 5 Hatch Hydra" and "6 Hatch Hydra"? 2) Does 6 Hatch Hydra give up some air control with regards to scourge? Edit: Made a typo | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden934 Posts
On December 01 2022 07:29 Fumapl wrote: 2in1 1) What is the underlying conceptual difference between ZvP builds named as per Liquipedia "3 Hatch Spire into 5 Hatch Hydra" and "6 Hatch Hydra"? 2) Does 6 Hatch Hydra give up some air control with regards to scourge? Edit: Made a typo Well 3 hatch spire infers you start with mutas and "into 5 hatch hydra" infers you end up with 5 hatch hydras once mutas done its course. While this can seem like air control it doesnt necessarily have to be. A Toss with great sair control can outplay both mutas and scourge, which is why you need to change to Hydras, otherwise you get overthrown by 12 sairs with no way of stopping em. While 6 hatch hydra infers you start with 6 hatch hydras which indeed gives up some air control but usually you have your lords in such a place their safe by hydras. You dont need air control early on in a ZvP, you do however needs to protect your lords or you will cripple both your economy and your lead. In a sense you can never have complete air control in a ZvP. Corsairs will always be more powerful than mutas/scourge. Devourers do sway this but thats so late game its not worth considering. The defense against mass sair is plague and hydras. Once plagued they will die like flies from hydras and spores. Corsair is a medium unit so it takes 75% dmg from hydras but 100% to its shields. I would recommend watching Soma to see this in action. Both how/when you move your lords to safety and the build orders that are META. | ||
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XenOsky
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WGT-Baal
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EndingLife
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namkraft
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Optimate
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namkraft
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On January 20 2023 01:28 Optimate wrote: First you must make sure you have Dragoon range. Then you have to just inch it up a bit by bit while pressing the h key for hold position. It doesn't really work sometimes. I have 2 dragoons standing at exactly the same distance from the bunker. I press H on both but only one fires. Sometimes the dragoon that is farther away would fire. The closer one doesn't! | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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MeSaber
Sweden934 Posts
Re-select all goons and click Hold again. If you manually rightclick bunker when outside bunker range the 'assisting radius' isnt used as you forced it to do a forced task. Move/Attack are forcing commands. Attack-Move/Patrol/Hold are automatic Move/Attack ordering as they feel like it. Hold doesnt have a Move ofc but it attacks units at free will even those outside range it cant reach. Most experts use this to their advantage, as one shot on any goon then falling back will cause all goons in Hold position to stop firing and trying to chase that unit though they cant. This might be your issue. Solution: Move goons forward and click Hold. Once goons starts firing the bunker you rightclick the bunker to force attack it and not listen to anything else. The reason you use Hold to find the range is because it stops the goon in its place, if you use attack-move it will overstep before attacking and then you are inside bunker attack range. The reason you DONT use STOP command is because it has a huge delay until it starts shooting, Hold immediately searches for a target meanwhile Stop forces an idle state for a brief moment. Its also why you micro (with a few goons) with Hold command because it forces goons to NOT move towards the target and getting too close before firing. If it cant fire from Hold position you manually adjust its position to be inline with the other goons firing range then keep Move/Hold/Move/Hold. | ||
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outscar
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WGT-Baal
France2822 Posts
On January 28 2023 01:25 outscar wrote: I'm average C rank terran, I can climb myself every season without trying hard. Lately after work I casually play random and get my ass handled to me, sitting on E rank. I don't do any specific BO just improvise and react. Is this normal or I should stop playing random and focus on 1 race? Any random players? it s pretty normal, it s likely your Z and P are far worse than terran, so 2/3rd of the time you lose to lower ranks than what you would do as T, and it drags your MMR down faster (it works with streak). Eventually you ll stabilise and catch up with both Z and P and come back. It s a learning curve. Playing random (or offrace) is always good fun and a good experience too to see matchups "from the other side" so continue doing what you find the most fun. | ||
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outscar
2512 Posts
On January 28 2023 01:48 WGT-Baal wrote: it s pretty normal, it s likely your Z and P are far worse than terran, so 2/3rd of the time you lose to lower ranks than what you would do as T, and it drags your MMR down faster (it works with streak). Eventually you ll stabilise and catch up with both Z and P and come back. It s a learning curve. Playing random (or offrace) is always good fun and a good experience too to see matchups "from the other side" so continue doing what you find the most fun. I guess I should learn some basic BOs for Z/P and take it bit seriously (or not because yesterday I was so frustrated after loss streak and sit until morning to get my MMR back lol). Also ladder is filled with smurfs so my losses must be expected. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France2822 Posts
You can just 5pool anytime you are Z and canon rush/proxy gates anytime you are P for instance | ||
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