EPTOn February 01 2018 12:16 XenOsky- wrote:
best way to play vs 6 hatch hydra PvZ?
best way to play vs 6 hatch hydra PvZ?
isnt protoss enough? basically 8 gateways 2 bases should solve all your problems,just dont rush for a third expo.
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6830 Posts
isnt protoss enough? basically 8 gateways 2 bases should solve all your problems,just dont rush for a third expo. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On February 01 2018 20:13 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: isnt protoss enough? basically 8 gateways 2 bases should solve all your problems,just dont rush for a third expo. Sounds pretty solid, I'll be sure to keep that in mind. Do you just mass Dragoon or use Archon vs the Muta transition, or should Protoss just Protoss that as well? I think Protoss should be enough | ||
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EndingLife
United States1600 Posts
 If only 2 base 8 gate was all it took... | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1769 Posts
On February 01 2018 12:16 XenOsky- wrote: best way to play vs 6 hatch hydra PvZ? There are alot of ways, no best way... If you want a easy way to beat it fairly quickly then try this FE into DT Corsair... make 2-3 corsairs only Templar archives and 1 gateway simultaneously Make 2 DTs from both gateways Then do this while your DTs are building * Send your 4 zealots to attack followed by the DTs (the zealots will soften up the base so DT can do more damage) * Make 4 more gateways so you have 6 in total and then Leg speed and +1 Produce HT from 2 gateways, zealots from the rest and morph the HTs into Archons Then go and kill him with Zealot/Archon. If he is smart he won't move out with his Hydras. Don't forget to also take your third base now. If your attack fails just add up to 4 cannons at your naturual with storm and use units to defend third base, make robo and then start dragoon production when you have 12 melee units and 3-4 HT's. Also around this stage there is a very very high chance zerg will make a muta switch since you have little or no corsairs, add 2-3 cannons to your mineral lines if you see no lurkers, position archon and protect HT. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10700 Posts
On February 02 2018 09:01 ICanFlyLow wrote: There are alot of ways, no best way... If you want a easy way to beat it fairly quickly then try this FE into DT Corsair... make 2-3 corsairs only Templar archives and 1 gateway simultaneously Make 2 DTs from both gateways Then do this while your DTs are building * Send your 4 zealots to attack followed by the DTs (the zealots will soften up the base so DT can do more damage) * Make 4 more gateways so you have 6 in total and then Leg speed and +1 Produce HT from 2 gateways, zealots from the rest and morph the HTs into Archons Then go and kill him with Zealot/Archon. If he is smart he won't move out with his Hydras. Don't forget to also take your third base now. If your attack fails just add up to 4 cannons at your naturual with storm and use units to defend third base, make robo and then start dragoon production when you have 12 melee units and 3-4 HT's. Also around this stage there is a very very high chance zerg will make a muta switch since you have little or no corsairs, add 2-3 cannons to your mineral lines if you see no lurkers, position archon and protect HT. ... And if the Zerg just mass units at your choke with overlord that you can't kill b/c of proper hydra timing you just lose. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1769 Posts
On February 05 2018 04:34 GGzerG wrote: ... And if the Zerg just mass units at your choke with overlord that you can't kill b/c of proper hydra timing you just lose. If 5 hatch hydra, by the time you are making DT's he is just starting to make hydras. If you mean 3 hatch hydra then you have to do a completely different strategy ofcourse lol. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8842 Posts
On February 02 2018 09:01 ICanFlyLow wrote: There are alot of ways, no best way... If you want a easy way to beat it fairly quickly then try this FE into DT Corsair... make 2-3 corsairs only Templar archives and 1 gateway simultaneously Make 2 DTs from both gateways Then do this while your DTs are building * Send your 4 zealots to attack followed by the DTs (the zealots will soften up the base so DT can do more damage) * Make 4 more gateways so you have 6 in total and then Leg speed and +1 Produce HT from 2 gateways, zealots from the rest and morph the HTs into Archons Then go and kill him with Zealot/Archon. If he is smart he won't move out with his Hydras. Don't forget to also take your third base now. If your attack fails just add up to 4 cannons at your naturual with storm and use units to defend third base, make robo and then start dragoon production when you have 12 melee units and 3-4 HT's. Also around this stage there is a very very high chance zerg will make a muta switch since you have little or no corsairs, add 2-3 cannons to your mineral lines if you see no lurkers, position archon and protect HT. why would you only build 2-3 corsairs if you plan on building up to 2 dt. they arent gonna do anything because your corsairs cant kill anything. either get 6-7 or dont go dt at all (the latter is better). 4 zealots to attack isnt gonna do anything because 1 sunken + zerglings can handle that. you waste a couple zealots for almost nothing. your subsequent dt fails because you cant snipe any overlords anyway. leg speed and +1 after you have 6 gateways mean you lose your timing for a +1/speed attack before hydras have both their upgrades up and a sizeable force. youve now relinquished all map control because hydra speed has come out before your leg speed and you dont have enough corsairs to fight scourge. youve already lost the game because hes pumping out hydras from 5-6 hatcheries with speed/range/+1 missile upgrades all finishing by the time you have your leg speed and +1. he can expand behind that or get lurkers, go for drops or go for mutas and you have no idea what hes doing because your 2-3 corsairs cant see anything without dying. if youre gonna cut corsairs then you need to be rushing +1/speed from 2 gates, force 2-3 sunkens at both bases and actually do damage (drone kills + maybe an evo chamber as a consolation prize). if you dont cut corsairs then your only option is to be really good with overlord snipes and force zerg to stay confined to his base because of dt until you get ht/shuttle/reaver and turtle to 3rd base | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1769 Posts
On February 05 2018 11:50 evilfatsh1t wrote: why would you only build 2-3 corsairs if you plan on building up to 2 dt. they arent gonna do anything because your corsairs cant kill anything. either get 6-7 or dont go dt at all (the latter is better). 4 zealots to attack isnt gonna do anything because 1 sunken + zerglings can handle that. you waste a couple zealots for almost nothing. your subsequent dt fails because you cant snipe any overlords anyway. leg speed and +1 after you have 6 gateways mean you lose your timing for a +1/speed attack before hydras have both their upgrades up and a sizeable force. youve now relinquished all map control because hydra speed has come out before your leg speed and you dont have enough corsairs to fight scourge. youve already lost the game because hes pumping out hydras from 5-6 hatcheries with speed/range/+1 missile upgrades all finishing by the time you have your leg speed and +1. he can expand behind that or get lurkers, go for drops or go for mutas and you have no idea what hes doing because your 2-3 corsairs cant see anything without dying. if youre gonna cut corsairs then you need to be rushing +1/speed from 2 gates, force 2-3 sunkens at both bases and actually do damage (drone kills + maybe an evo chamber as a consolation prize). if you dont cut corsairs then your only option is to be really good with overlord snipes and force zerg to stay confined to his base because of dt until you get ht/shuttle/reaver and turtle to 3rd base Ive already killed players like ret and infected with this build and Im not even main toss... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28784 Posts
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3467 Posts
I have a question regarding PvP specifically on Match Point. I played it 3 times on ladder and got proxied 3 times with various results but overall i felt like it is the superior build (i mean 2 gates, not necessarily proxied) because the lack of ramp and the shape of the main/nat/3rd makes it reslly hard to play a 1gate-based build. But then agsin i m not very good so may be i m just panicking/screwing up. So the question is : do you think 2gates is the way to go on match point (and may be all maps without ramp?) or is there a safe way to go 1gate on it? How about a canon style FE (pvz like)? Thank you in advance! | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
tvz is more similar to 2s games also tvz's easier than tvp anyway | ||
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Tempest99
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States347 Posts
On February 09 2018 15:22 WGT-Baal wrote: do you think 2gates is the way to go on match point (and may be all maps without ramp?) or is there a safe way to go 1gate on it? You could try standard 1 gate like this: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/hYgslW8.jpg) If you scout proxy gate, you can completely wall off: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/cBobYIO.jpg) You can do the same on the opposite side. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3467 Posts
On February 10 2018 11:38 f10eqq wrote: You could try standard 1 gate like this: If you scout proxy gate, you can completely wall off: You can do the same on the opposite side. Thank you! I will try that. The screenshots really help too! | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On February 10 2018 05:42 Alpha-NP- wrote: I heard TvP is very difficult because you have to know the timings. This! And it's very unforgiving in terms of: - getting your unit composition wrong. Too many tanks and not enough vultures? Well, kiss your tanks good bye. - moving out in a straight line? that's the equivalent of getting caught with your pants down, say bye bye to your entire army - moving out and decide to siege? I guarantee you that 40% of your tanks are lagging behind so you've sieged them near your base instead of the place of the battle - too lazy to siege your tanks in a spaced out fashion? stasis and zealot bombs will destroy you - decide to turtle off of 3 bases like flash? now the protoss has taken 60% of the map | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
On February 09 2018 15:22 WGT-Baal wrote: Hi wise players of the forum, I have a question regarding PvP specifically on Match Point. I played it 3 times on ladder and got proxied 3 times with various results but overall i felt like it is the superior build (i mean 2 gates, not necessarily proxied) because the lack of ramp and the shape of the main/nat/3rd makes it reslly hard to play a 1gate-based build. But then agsin i m not very good so may be i m just panicking/screwing up. So the question is : do you think 2gates is the way to go on match point (and may be all maps without ramp?) or is there a safe way to go 1gate on it? How about a canon style FE (pvz like)? Thank you in advance! 2gate losts is standard on Blue Storm, it is palyable on Phyton, but is not ok on Match Point. Maybe you should scaut earlyer, so you can adapt. Post the replays for more | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8842 Posts
On February 12 2018 18:04 [Fin]Vittu wrote: This! And it's very unforgiving in terms of: - getting your unit composition wrong. Too many tanks and not enough vultures? Well, kiss your tanks good bye. - moving out in a straight line? that's the equivalent of getting caught with your pants down, say bye bye to your entire army - moving out and decide to siege? I guarantee you that 40% of your tanks are lagging behind so you've sieged them near your base instead of the place of the battle - too lazy to siege your tanks in a spaced out fashion? stasis and zealot bombs will destroy you - decide to turtle off of 3 bases like flash? now the protoss has taken 60% of the map well to be fair with the last point, that happens to flash a lot also | ||
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