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Zerg vs Early Marine Medic
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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midwich
United Kingdom324 Posts
http://ygclan.vgaclub.co.kr/?m=replay&board=gosureplay Pick out the TvZ replays - likely as not you'll see how to deal with this problem very quickly, as maybe 90% of Terrans come knocking with M&M as fast as they can, and Zerg just has to learn to deal with this. | ||
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Pob
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Piccolo
Chile621 Posts
If you have terrible micro, don't be ashamed of 4 sunkens. And keep playing, only loosing and playing is gonna give you the right "instinct" to figure how much sunkens/lings for each rush. gl anyway | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 16 2004 21:33 Piccolo wrote: Keep 1 ling in the natural of your oponent, so you can notice when he is rushing. 3 sunk + 6-8 lings it's almost enough for the standard M&M rush. Keep the lings in your ramp, don't attack his units until he start to fight with your sunkens. If he go back, be carefull to control your surviving lings and don't lose them, retreat you too. Make more lings/sunkens if he don't desist the push. (At this time you are teching to lair and already planned picked lurkers or muta strategy. If you have terrible micro, don't be ashamed of 4 sunkens. And keep playing, only loosing and playing is gonna give you the right "instinct" to figure how much sunkens/lings for each rush. gl anyway No. 12 marine 4 medic beats 8 lings 3 sunken easy :[. My advice is not to build lings unless you did some 3 hatch build early on, and decide to muta/ling after so you have speed on them. Lings fry before they even touch the marines if the terran isn't stupid (that is, attackmove again when the lings are coming so the marines target the lings instead of the sunkens). Just look at what's coming, keep a ling in front of his base, and a ling in his exp so you can sneak in when he comes out to see if he does some fast drop, fast tankpush, or just normal conventional build, or even 3 rax mass m&m. In case of the latter, you need at least 6 sunkens to defend. I would never use my drones to defend unless I have to to survive. Good terrans will just target the drones with shift-select when a zerg is attacking with his drones, making the rush succesfull wether you get through his sunkens or not. Such a huge loss in eco sucks so much for a zerg.. Just adjust your number of sunkens to his number of m&m and don't build lings. If he does some fast academy build (on 20/26 or 22/26), he'll attack first with 6 marine 2 bat and 2 medic or something, and then 3 sunkens are enough. When you see more marines coming out, and more important, more medics (!), just add 1 or 2 sunken(s). | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
edit: Oh and commander you have no right to call people newbie as you are newbie yourself. "wow I'm b5 wgtour but I get 1-6 on neogamei, something is wrong!" No there's not, you just suck. | ||
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iD.Surv
Belgium827 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
"12 Expo, put up 2 or 3 sunkens, then a fair amount of marine medic comes in... rapes my sunkens and drones.. gg -.- I'm losing to newbs because of this.. what can i do? They focus fire on the sunkens so my drone flank doesn't really do much. What am i supposed to do with the drones? Focus fire on marines?" I still don't like how he said he was losing to newbs, as if he had more skill than them but yet lost to them, that's a shitty statement. Twisted's advice was very good, I play Terran and that gave me more insight on the matchup. On a related question, is there anything that would make you choose to go lurker before muta if you 12 hatch 11 expo (or something like that 11/10 or 12/12 etc)? Or 3 hatch before lair? Do these particularly counter any builds taht you can ascout, or are these mainly based on your playing styles and what units you're comfortable with? And can someone please explain 10/9, I know it's so you get more lavae so often you can get 6 lings when the pool arrives, but I was just wondering what benefits they had. Thanks in advance to replies | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Going hardcore sunken while teching is possible, but you do relinquish map control/pressure on Terran. Nevertheless, getting up as quick as possible to lurk (and possibly hydralurk w/ strong eco) is good against some form of normal 2 rax because they will neither have the good tech or the good numbers to kill you. However, against someone who reacts fast and goes fast tech (maybe turbo newb) or 3 rax, you are going to be in serious shit because at Lair you are going have to bust out. | ||
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Oh oh... I just had a game yesterday when I went Lurk instead of Mute on my 3 Hatch build. The reasoning was basically that I didn't have the eco to go Mute and switch to Lurk and I needed to react NOW to a tentative MM + Tank move. My eco was hurt from mistakes earlier, so I decided to just go immediatedly to LurkLing to regain control. "Or 3 hatch before lair? Do these particularly counter any builds taht you can ascout, or are these mainly based on your playing styles and what units you're comfortable with?" I think they should counter it, but I'm not sure. I typically get 3 hatch if I don't feel too much pressure to tech fast (i.e. Terr is teching fast). I sometimes 3 hatch before lair because the third hatch fits nicely into the BO at around 14-15. It will also give you excellent defense/map control because you will be able to do one round of 3 hatch ling before Lair. Arguably, I'm only average, so I'm not sure what "good" players would do to counter a slower teching Z. But yea, it is based on playing styles. I like to take power early. "And can someone please explain 10/9, I know it's so you get more lavae so often you can get 6 lings when the pool arrives, but I was just wondering what benefits they had." Hmm... just a safer build. Depends how risky you feel. Sometimes I go 10/9 or 10/10 or 11/10 or 11/11 depending on how good the Terran is and how much risk there is in the positions. BTW- take all my comments w/ a grain of salt because I am newb =[. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On June 17 2004 07:30 SW)Surv wrote: Do i suck i only have b6? Couldn't stand the fact that he looked down upon the topic starter just because he might be better =[ Offending him like calling him a newbie while he's just asking for some advice, is retarded. | ||
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iD.Surv
Belgium827 Posts
btw who is tuig man?  | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
He's been around for a while though  Dutch protoss player. | ||
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tEkK
United States184 Posts
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prion
Australia36 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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StoneR
Spain1252 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
this is why you make lings when your scout ling dies to rines | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
I've been planning to practice some things this way for a long time now . | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On June 20 2004 02:29 Beast_Bg wrote: Why not make an ums map,where you can practice the sunk vs marine/medic vs someone and start different positions with moving some civilian into a beacon? I've been planning to practice some things this way for a long time now .Um, why? You can just 3 sunk and use about 6-10 lings in a real melee game and survive. If you die to first m&m rush with that defense up, you need to quit playing zerg. | ||
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Splinter
United States188 Posts
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karrilover
China8 Posts
i think your scouting is not good enough then!! i lost some games just as yours .when i look the reps ,i found that i even didn,t know when /how the t rush . so ,make some lings to scout [notice terran,s number of marines and when he rush out ] if your control is terrible,,,more sunkens . A 3 - barrack rush can probabily kill 5 sunkens [if enough medics] and u should make sunkens according to the time and units when he rush out .if ur control is cool ,then ,use drones andlings and fewer sunkens. but i dongt think fewer sunken s will save your minerals. any way ,,i.m weak too.. but i see a lotof reps ^^ wish u goodluck | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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0wNaG3-
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hasuwar
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
NO MORE CONTAIN YAAAAAAAY | ||
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Zerg0
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
1. 4-5 sunkens lined up, you don't need much units for MM with this (you need to race lurkers with tanks) 2. speedlings + 2-3 sunkens, while rines attack the sunken, SURROUND the rines with your lings 3. burrowed speedlings, a. go into his base and try to harass or w/e or b. place a sunken or so, and burrow your lings where the rines would fire on the sunken | ||
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