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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 01:19:56
November 18 2009 10:13 GMT
#1
Hi guys!
This thread is to help all of you who may be struggeling with your building placement in terran vs zerg.


I will show you the way I place all my buildings based on experience and watching progamers such as Flash; Turrets, bunkers, barracks, suplies and so on.

I will start with using the most used ICCUP map for the current map of the week,
Fighting Spirit.

Feel free to request maps.

Updates / Newest update: Natural Screenshots Heart+FS
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November 19th
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Heartbreak natural and Fighting Spirit natural pictures

November 18th
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Fighting Spirit
Destination


Building placements
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Fighting Spirit
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Fighting Spirit Building Placement

Naturals
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Top Left
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Top Right
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Bottom Left
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Bottom Right
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Destination
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Destination Building Placement
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I forgot to put a suplydepot under the mineral to the right @ the 6 oclock natural expansion to prevent zerglings to run there. Its the same funcion as the suply depot @ 12 oclock natural above the mineral to the left.


Heartbreak Ridge
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Naturals
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Right
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Left
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Remember to watch these in single player mode.
Not on iccup because I use cheats and it will skrew with the replay.

If I find out that one of my replayes contains placement that I later on find a better solution to, I will remake that replay.

Good luck!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
ahleezay
Profile Joined July 2009
43 Posts
November 18 2009 11:03 GMT
#2
awesome thanks!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
November 18 2009 11:03 GMT
#3
Update november 18th : Destination
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 18 2009 12:23 GMT
#4
Cool, will check these out.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 18 2009 12:31 GMT
#5
Stylish is back! With style! n____n

Thanks, TvZ is by far my worst matchup
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
November 18 2009 12:35 GMT
#6
stylish is back? would be nice :O
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Tyrokomos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Greece43 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 15:22:17
November 18 2009 14:32 GMT
#7
weclome back
eX-v1o
Stax
Profile Joined March 2008
Croatia121 Posts
November 18 2009 14:38 GMT
#8
Omg! Welcome back! <3

I knew you won't manage to avoid sc alltogether xD
404.Delirium
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1190 Posts
November 18 2009 14:55 GMT
#9
Welcome back Stylish =)

^^;;
seriously next disrespectful comment in this blog is ip ban. Be happy or get the hell out. // SC2 is like playing with neutral-colored Play-Doh while BW is like colorful Legos.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 18 2009 15:23 GMT
#10
I think my building placement on Desti is pretty good, so I'll check these out and maybe post my "better" way (or not).
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CJSevilla
Profile Joined November 2009
United States4 Posts
November 18 2009 15:37 GMT
#11
Welcome back Stylish, I very much appreciate your advice threads. I would love it if you did a building placement replay on Heartbreak Ridge.
CJSevilla
Profile Joined November 2009
United States4 Posts
November 18 2009 16:34 GMT
#12
Since Mech is so popular, especially on Destination, will you be doing mech building placements? If not could you just comment on specific differences aside from the ling-proof wall-in and the mass factories instead of rax?
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 18:24:08
November 18 2009 18:22 GMT
#13
I will focus on bio for the moment. I've just recently started playing again and I use mustly bio.
But there will be mech sometime soon.

thnx for the welcomes;) feels good to be back, although i can't play alot yet!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Tyrokomos
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Greece43 Posts
November 18 2009 18:48 GMT
#14
in last time on 2player maps its modern to 09 Supply, 11 Rax, 15 CC (if 12 hatch), 15/16 Supply.
do you have also timingpushed like EE-Timing or Ayumi for this styles? or how do you change ur builds for this?
eX-v1o
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
November 18 2009 19:34 GMT
#15
Tyrokomos:

Yes I have some timing strats from 1suply FE opening.
I'll make a VOD of it when I can, but I don't know when it will be.

Generally, making a faster CC will give you better economy and you can do the timing abit earlier.

...Except strats where you place the barracks before your cc is finnished, like the ayumi, where the economy from 1 CC will give ou the cash for the timing of the buildings. Then its not faster to get the CC up earlier.

According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
November 18 2009 20:21 GMT
#16
On the Fighting Spirit one:

The nat turrets at some positions (particularly 7) are too close to the cliffs and would be picked off easily. Also the entire reason why you can get away with fewer turrets in the main (particularly 1 at each of the corners near the nat) is that you keep all of your m&m there without risk because the large number of turrets dissuade them from hitting the nat too much. This means you need to have 5 minimum probably 6 at the nat in order to ensure that it's not cost effective to keep sniping scvs or even turrets since your marines aren't going to be there.
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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 22:19:10
November 18 2009 22:10 GMT
#17
Ver:

Yes I didn't include army position in the builds.
From experience I've learned that 4-5 is enough (for 3hatch) and in most positions you can add another in case you need it, and keeping 8ish marines + 2 medics is enough in main, which will leave marines and a few medics at the natural to aid the turrets.
If he 2hatch muta, ofcourse more turrets will be needed.

The top natural turret on 7 oclock could be positioned 1 step to the left on top of the other turret or 1 step to the left 1/2 length above that turret, the other are good position. I've tried alot of turret placements on this map, if you feel that you know any better positioning, please show me coz I still haven't played more than 30 games on this map...

For example the turrets at 5 oclock are close to the cliff on the right but you have vision there due to the suplydepotplacement.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 23:31:06
November 18 2009 23:30 GMT
#18
insta-bookmark

thx!

edit: plz do python
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
November 19 2009 01:00 GMT
#19
plz do tornado/outsider/andro
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MrHickoryHam54
Profile Joined January 2009
United States208 Posts
November 19 2009 03:06 GMT
#20
On November 19 2009 10:00 KP_CollectoR wrote:
plz do tornado/outsider/andro



agreed
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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
November 19 2009 04:04 GMT
#21
Hi Stylish
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
November 19 2009 22:30 GMT
#22
Thank you for this stylish!
MIK Terran
Bebop Berserker
Profile Joined April 2009
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 23:08:04
November 19 2009 23:07 GMT
#23
Yay stylish is back! you a doctor yet? I would like to see something on HBR or outsider too. I usually play nonstandard because I cant find the turret /building placements on those types of maps. And why does he need to do andro? there have only been like 999999999999 games played on that map.
Whatever happens, happens.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 19 2009 23:33 GMT
#24
can we get screen shots? Also outsider would be a good map to do this too T_T
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
November 19 2009 23:41 GMT
#25
Sure next map will be Outsider, I'll add screens also.

Will be this weekend, I have lots of things to do.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 19 2009 23:53 GMT
#26
On November 20 2009 08:41 StylishVODs wrote:
Sure next map will be Outsider, I'll add screens also.

Will be this weekend, I have lots of things to do.

thanks man, you have no idea how messy my base is on outsider.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 23:58:41
November 19 2009 23:58 GMT
#27
Im having trouble with the screenshots though, i take print screen but when I insert it its all messed up. I use paint or word, what program should I use or is there another way? My computerskills are amazing:D
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
November 19 2009 23:58 GMT
#28
I've got huge issues with Andromeda. HBR would be nice too
Thx for doing this and welcome back! ^^
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 20 2009 00:04 GMT
#29
On November 20 2009 08:58 StylishVODs wrote:
Im having trouble with the screenshots though, i take print screen but when I insert it its all messed up. I use paint or word, what program should I use or is there another way? My computerskills are amazing:D

have u tried photoshop?
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Dreadwave
Profile Joined January 2008
Netherlands254 Posts
November 20 2009 00:11 GMT
#30
On November 20 2009 08:58 StylishVODs wrote:
Im having trouble with the screenshots though, i take print screen but when I insert it its all messed up. I use paint or word, what program should I use or is there another way? My computerskills are amazing:D

That doesn't work for SC. If you press print screen it saves the screenshot as a pcx file in the main SC folder. You need something like Irfanview to open,view and convert to a more conventional format..

http://www.irfanview.com/
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
November 20 2009 01:03 GMT
#31
Ok thnx.

I updated with some screens of naturals from Heartbreak and Fighting Spirit.
These screenshots are the latest, so if they differ anything from the rep, trust the screenshots.
Rep has 1-2 minor errors which I will change:D
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
November 20 2009 03:03 GMT
#32
nice screenshots~~!! more please.
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
Pure.Calm
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom196 Posts
December 05 2009 13:59 GMT
#33
Hey Stylish,

Just seconding the one for Outsider and i would also like to see how your placement on Matchpoint. I was also wandering if you had a replay for the HBR one or if it was just the screenshots?

Thanks alot, puRe
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
December 18 2009 06:06 GMT
#34
you re an inpiration for many players and sc fans, thanks again for all your time.
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