What's the point of making a thread like this if your going to fight every opinion and addition given to you? You might aswell just go on ICCup test out some timings and try and perfect the build yourself tweaking it in the making... your obviously too dead set on every little detail, test it and run with it.

but ill go with the latter and say that it doesn't seem to viable without tanks and range... Dragoon micro will just rape your rines since most protoss wont move out without goon range anyway, or at least be at your base asoon as it finishes.

Gnarly

United States151 Posts

November 13 2009 03:12 GMT

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Gnarly

United States151 Posts

November 13 2009 17:49 GMT

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duckett

United States589 Posts

November 13 2009 18:06 GMT

#48

watched the replay
if you scouted and knew where he was before you attacked, you would have hit 3 dragoons with 5 marines and 1 medic; with proper micro and a brief probe pull if necessary, he would have won and you would be so behind it would be gg. also, you lost the battle when you had 6 marines + 1 reinforcing and 2 medics vs 4 dragoons and did not even force protoss to pull any probes...do you really think you would have won if you had gone with 5 marines + 1 medic + 1 medic reinforcing against 3 dragoons? (he has range, you have stim and no range) I don't think so.

also, this was a standard 1gate fe from protoss (you got lucky that he happened to do that when you blindly started this rush); he would have been in much better shape to defend with just about any other build

Always

United States376 Posts

November 13 2009 18:15 GMT

#49

Eh. With only one or two scans, you can only hold off 2 or 3 DTs before you HAVE to go back to your base. Or he could just shuttle DT into your main and hold his ramp with goons and cannons. With so much resource spent on MnM, you're kind of screwing over your main to typical protoss harass. There's no way you'd be able to adequately defend your expo either, as DT+shuttle tech is already kind of tricky to defend.

duckett

United States589 Posts

November 13 2009 18:22 GMT

#50

On November 14 2009 03:15 Always wrote:
Eh. With only one or two scans, you can only hold off 2 or 3 DTs before you HAVE to go back to your base.

???
This is not true at all.

Gnarly

United States151 Posts

November 13 2009 18:47 GMT

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alexpnd

Canada1857 Posts

November 13 2009 19:02 GMT

#52

I posted the b.o. for something similar a while back on iccup.com

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/content/blogs/Nada_Style_Strong_FD_with_Medic_______B.O..html

standard opening..

9 sup
11 rax
12 gas
15 sup
16 fac
2 off gas after 100
18 acad (cut scv shortly if necessary)
keep pumping rines and scvs
24 sup
add-on when fac finishes
Build tank
2 back on gas when starting first tank
30 sup
Build 2nd tank + research mine
Medic after 6 rines

I used to moderate success at D/D+ but I'm sure it's viable at higher levels considering the map. I got this from the Nada vs MtM replay and he pushes all the way up the choke vs a 1 gate reaver opening i believe. Its defended but its good pressure and he comes out slightly ahead iirc. Try it out, and make sure you hide your extra tank + rines/medic.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

November 14 2009 02:37 GMT

#53

Anyone in this thread use the aka ILOVECAFEIN? I just had this tried on me on my offrace id... survived and crushed him back with a 1 gate fe into 2 gate/obs 3rd base. lol