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PvZ Backho zealot/dark templar strategy?

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Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
October 18 2009 17:48 GMT
#1


Watch this game and see how Backho plays. Basically instead of going for early high templar with storm he has like 4 zealots/3-4 dark templar and does a timing push. After that you immediately send 1-2 more groups of 4 dark templar at 1 of the zerg's bases.

From my personal testing and understanding is that this build will mess up Zerg's macro pretty good and you will get some good drone kills off even if they have overlords to see your units just because of the large amount of dark templar you have in their base harassing. I have only played this on the D/D+ level but I believe that it could be viable on higher levels with someone that has good mechanics.

I was able to prevent Zerg from having a 3rd base at times and able to snipe a building in their main at one point in most games I tested this on. After that you have superior micro and can usually safely expand and just make a protoss death ball and roll the Zerg.

What are your opinions on this? Has anyone at a higher level tried this strategy?
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asl-ninja
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
78 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 02:01:08
October 18 2009 18:24 GMT
#2
horrible build dts get owned by hydra


User was strat forum banned for this post.
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Vekzel
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Poland142 Posts
October 18 2009 18:29 GMT
#3
BackHo won this game because Calm blundered by letting single DT live into his own base. I don't think this has that much to do with the build; in fact the whole strategy is pretty much all-in
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
October 18 2009 18:39 GMT
#4
Looooool typical backho being retarded, it was just luck that he won. If you really watched the game you would have seen how easily his attacks were handled for the most part. It was just the ninja DT that did the trick and allowed him to win.

This is even a pretty bad map to use the strat on. It would be more effective on a map with an exposed 3rd rather than a map with a 3rd that can be walled very effectively.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 18 2009 19:37 GMT
#5
Backho was clever (lucky?) and snuck a DT into calm's defenseless main. The build would have flopped if not for that really. Generally, the zerg sim-cities on maps now are too strong to try something like that.
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zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
October 18 2009 19:42 GMT
#6
I was half-expecting he would use some DT's to make Dark Archons and throw in some Maelstroms... It's BackHo, so I tought it was possible.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 18 2009 20:16 GMT
#7
The idea I think is that if you throw this many DT at a zerg, usually at least one will slip through and be ninja like.
ix
Profile Joined July 2003
United Kingdom184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 20:52:22
October 18 2009 20:51 GMT
#8
It was just the ninja DT that did the trick and allowed him to win.


Gee, I wonder what the whole point of the strategy was? Could it be that he was trying to create an overwhelming number of DT so one would get through? Nah, he's a pro, he was just flailing about randomly and got lucky.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
October 18 2009 21:01 GMT
#9
I'll give the strategy this:
It sure was entertaining to watch, and it caught Calm off-guard.
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 18 2009 21:08 GMT
#10

Gee, I wonder what the whole point of the strategy was? Could it be that he was trying to create an overwhelming number of DT so one would get through? Nah, he's a pro, he was just flailing about randomly and got lucky.



Getting one in wasnt lucky, but Calm A-not killing it when he chased it into a corner with Hydras and B-not noticing he was losing 15 drones at his main was EXTREMELY lucky. Backho deserved 3-4 drone kills from the ninja DT, the other 12 fall on Calms stupidity, and thats not something you can count on to win you games. If Calm saves half the drones at his main he rolls over Backho.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
October 18 2009 21:21 GMT
#11
Well if you watched the game, it was 2-3 diffrent frontlines constantly and when the DT got his drone kills, BackHo nearly also breaked into Calms natural and almost ended it right there.

I'm not saying he shouldnt have atleast pulled his drones, but regarding the situation I think it's understandable and not stupidity.
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iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
October 18 2009 21:41 GMT
#12
On October 19 2009 06:08 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +

Gee, I wonder what the whole point of the strategy was? Could it be that he was trying to create an overwhelming number of DT so one would get through? Nah, he's a pro, he was just flailing about randomly and got lucky.



Getting one in wasnt lucky, but Calm A-not killing it when he chased it into a corner with Hydras and B-not noticing he was losing 15 drones at his main was EXTREMELY lucky. Backho deserved 3-4 drone kills from the ninja DT, the other 12 fall on Calms stupidity, and thats not something you can count on to win you games. If Calm saves half the drones at his main he rolls over Backho.


drones die in 1 hit with no minimap ping. I for one don't often look at my main sans upgrading/building new tech buildings at this point in the game as there should be drone saturation already. it's not uncommon for zerg to lose all of their drones to a lone DT
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 18 2009 21:41 GMT
#13
BackHo distracted Calm well enough to sneak in 1 ninja - combination of luck and skill (I mean, you do need some preparation and mindset to sneak in 1 and save it in a corner until your next aTtacK force arrives). Well played by BackHo - if this guy succeeds more creative strategies it'll be a fun season for protoss lovers (myself included).
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17831 Posts
October 18 2009 21:52 GMT
#14


Now compare July's build with Calm's. Unlike Calm, July has sim-city in his nat AND his third and sunkens at entrances to them. No way you can sneak in some DT's.
Besides, BackHo would get owned in 2 more cases:
1. If Calm would go muta before massing hydras.
2. If Calm would add some lurkers (or even just sunkens for that matter).

It wasn't brilliant play by BackHo. It was sloppy play by Calm in this case.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 18 2009 22:09 GMT
#15
On October 19 2009 05:51 ix wrote:
He was just flailing about randomly and got lucky.

You were sarcastic when saying this, but this is seriously what Backho seems to be doing every single game. No game sense and no adaptability whatsoever. He just goes for something and if it works it works. Like when he suicided his shuttles with reavers against Canata despite scouting the wraith.
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dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
October 18 2009 22:12 GMT
#16
What BackHo did happened to me on iccup. I just built overlords.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 18 2009 22:27 GMT
#17
Does a new thread have to be made every time a protoss wins? PvZ isn't that dire yet.
No I'm never serious.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 18 2009 22:49 GMT
#18
On October 19 2009 07:27 Nytefish wrote:
Does a new thread have to be made every time a protoss wins? PvZ isn't that dire yet.

Yes it is; Shine beat Bisu in a Bo3. Shine, damnit!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
October 18 2009 23:14 GMT
#19
On October 19 2009 07:27 Nytefish wrote:
Does a new thread have to be made every time a protoss wins? PvZ isn't that dire yet.

It's pretty hopeless. Everytime a protoss wins, we're gonna have to discuss whether their build will start a revolution.
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
October 18 2009 23:48 GMT
#20
Firstly i think this build is hard to see coming since it pretty much follows from buildings you would expect protoss to have around that time anyway. Imagine you're in calm's position. You're expecting a likely early speedlot attack without weapons as has been growing in popularity. Then you see 4 slowlots and 4 dts. It's enough to badly damage what you've got defending one of your two fronts. It can also intercept really well the hydras trying to move from one base to the other to reinforce, because that's the one place you wouldn't think you'd need an overlord, in between your nat and third. Then on top of that if you're constantly freaked out that every one of your three bases is going to get ninjad, and that there are so many damned dts that the regular one sunk and overlord won't be enough, because the sunk could be easily raped or ignored and you could lose 8 drones in two seconds. It's just alot of pressure under which not to make a mistake.
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