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On July 29 2009 08:02 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 07:53 JWD wrote:Hacked map or not, nobody's explained this yet: On July 29 2009 06:37 arb wrote:
EDIT : Oh wow, he was actually moving the double mining drones away when idras scv would come..
Just wow I just watched the replay and I didn't see this at all. While the scv was scouting, Dimaga never had more then a 1 to 1 drone mineral ratio so he never had to move drones around. If you watch game 2 (no stacked minerals) he uses that same idea and only uses 9 drones for his main.
Watch it again, there's clearly more than 1 drone mining per patch at many times.
Or just click the patches until it selects the bogus ones.
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On July 29 2009 08:00 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna make a youtube video of dimaga moving drones away from the SCV... brb
EDIT: AHHHH HAKU TEMPLAAA
Please upload this and embed it. Actually, the thread creator needs to embed it in the first post.
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On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked? nope, most of the north bases are stacked so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random? The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals. Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout.
That's very elaborate, but without Idra how can you prove he used a hack to modify the map? That Idra accidentally or purposefully (the former far more likely) hosted an edited map and Dimiga noticed and took advantage is far more simple. Occam's Razor suggests the simpler explanation.
But we obviously need Idra's feedback on the map he made.
Is there actually proof of such a hack existing?
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On July 29 2009 08:03 lokiM wrote:
I don't see exactly where DIMAGA moved drones away from idras scv? some1 give me a time of when it happens?
watch the first part of the replay up to where hsi scv dies.
i mostly observered it on the bottom 3-4 patches
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On July 29 2009 08:02 Nightmarjoo wrote:
The map's top bases' outer two minerals on both sides/top/bottom are all double stack, there was no hack used to "add minerals", or if there was, it was unnecessary. If Idra hosted map, Dimiga couldn't have known the map had stacked minerals and thus it's incredibly unlikely that he used a hack to guarantee himself the top position.
Can you use a hosthack to change the map that is hosted?
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On July 29 2009 08:05 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:03 lokiM wrote:
I don't see exactly where DIMAGA moved drones away from idras scv? some1 give me a time of when it happens? watch the first part of the replay up to where hsi scv dies. i mostly observered it on the bottom 3-4 patches
Well, honestly i do it myself sometimes too, just to have equal worker count on each base. Seriously i didnt see where Dimaga actually moved away drones to hide the fact that he's mining stacked minerals
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On July 29 2009 08:05 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked? nope, most of the north bases are stacked so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random? The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals. Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout. That's very elaborate, but without Idra how can you prove he used a hack to modify the map? That Idra accidentally or purposefully (the former far more likely) hosted an edited map and Dimiga noticed and took advantage is far more simple. Occam's Razor suggests the simpler explanation. But we obviously need Idra's feedback on the map he made. Is there actually proof of such a hack existing?
Even if that was the case, dimaga shouldn't have hidden the fact that the wrong map was used, he could've said something fairly early in the game. Unless he didn't notice, which is possible.
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*WAITS IMPATIENTLY!* (did i even spell right?)
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Can anyone confirm what the latest hacks floating around do to see if they can create stacked minerals after a game starts?
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On July 29 2009 08:07 (paladin)roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:05 arb wrote:On July 29 2009 08:03 lokiM wrote:
I don't see exactly where DIMAGA moved drones away from idras scv? some1 give me a time of when it happens? watch the first part of the replay up to where hsi scv dies. i mostly observered it on the bottom 3-4 patches Well, honestly i do it myself sometimes too, just to have equal worker count on each base. Seriously i didnt see where Dimaga actually moved away drones to hide the fact that he's mining stacked minerals
This
When you make 2 hatcheries in your main you have to send more drones to your natural, it's too hard to tell and it doesn't look like he did that on purpose at all to me
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On July 29 2009 08:07 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:05 Nightmarjoo wrote:On July 29 2009 08:01 Zzoram wrote:On July 29 2009 07:59 zulu_nation8 wrote:On July 29 2009 07:57 lokiM wrote:On July 29 2009 07:56 zulu_nation8 wrote:
but in the map extracted from the replay, only 12 o'clocks minerals are stacked? nope, most of the north bases are stacked so only the player who spawns at top gets the advantage, and the spawning points on the map are random? The hack altered the map, the replay saved the altered map, so extracting the map from the replay shows the stacked minerals. Dimaga moving his drones to hide the fact he's using stacked minerals so he clearly knew they were stacked and was hiding the fact from Idra's scout. That's very elaborate, but without Idra how can you prove he used a hack to modify the map? That Idra accidentally or purposefully (the former far more likely) hosted an edited map and Dimiga noticed and took advantage is far more simple. Occam's Razor suggests the simpler explanation. But we obviously need Idra's feedback on the map he made. Is there actually proof of such a hack existing? Even if that was the case, dimaga shouldn't have hidden the fact that the wrong map was used, he could've said something fairly early in the game.
Agreed.
I saw a replay once that an iccup admin reviewed where the player used a modified map that had neutral heros and units in his base. So he had picked protoss and rushed mc while turtling in his main, the other guy was like "lol I'll just sit here and win". He had bcs and crazy strong units etc pretty quickly. Adding stacks to iccup maps would be a sinch, and iccup has no way to prevent it really. They just go by the map name.
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we know more drama than TNT
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On July 29 2009 08:04 Mikilatov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:02 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 29 2009 07:53 JWD wrote:Hacked map or not, nobody's explained this yet: On July 29 2009 06:37 arb wrote:
EDIT : Oh wow, he was actually moving the double mining drones away when idras scv would come..
Just wow I just watched the replay and I didn't see this at all. While the scv was scouting, Dimaga never had more then a 1 to 1 drone mineral ratio so he never had to move drones around. If you watch game 2 (no stacked minerals) he uses that same idea and only uses 9 drones for his main. Watch it again, there's clearly more than 1 drone mining per patch at many times. Or just click the patches until it selects the bogus ones.
Sorry I didn't mention the period. It comes after the drone transfer + drones on gas until his natural is decently saturated.
In both reps from around 3:20 to 5:30. I used the desty and heartbreak reps
You can see he likes to keep about a 1:1 ratio and then at the next round of drones after 5 minutes are put onto his main line.
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On July 29 2009 07:54 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 07:51 motbob wrote:On July 29 2009 07:50 mcJ wrote:On July 29 2009 07:47 lokiM wrote:
yes we have established that it's the map and not DIMAGA, and IdrA was the host so.. most likely just hosted a bad map that he got from some random user if thats the case, dimaga is still a dick for not telling its a fucked map imo. Would you notice? I wouldn't thats why he moved drones away when scv was near.right idra hosted rigged map to laugh at him in case of beating him with such disadvantage. but since he lost, this shall not be revealed!
So Idra KNEW he wouldn't get the north base?
So if he did he would of just abused it himself eh but was just hoping he wouldn't get it?
Stupid argument. If Dimaga did move drones (and this can be proven as malicious rather than just moving to diff piles or running from units) then it just means he's an asshole for taking advantage of the map. Can anyone here say Idra is of good enough moral standing that if he DID notice it he wouldn't use it either? Dunno, but it seems clear Dimaga didn't go into the game knowing he would do this.
ALSO... if Idra did know the map was messed up, then he would EXPECT Dimaga to try and abuse it. Since nothing was said in game this either means that Idra might not of known the map was messed up, or when he saw no double-mining with his scout he assumed Dimaga never noticed it or he decided to just play along for whatever reason.
Just more questions to answer lol.
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On July 29 2009 08:02 YPang wrote:
dramaga
LOL. I hope DIMAGA is not another localhost =[
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A few things i wanted to say, has anyone checked the map for a trigger that forces one player to spawn in a location? Plus even though Idra hosted isn't it possible they played before with Dimega hosting first with the map?
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On July 29 2009 08:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
A few things i wanted to say, has anyone checked the map for a trigger that forces one player to spawn in a location? Plus even though Idra hosted isn't it possible they played before with Dimega hosting first with the map?
melee has no triggers
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On July 29 2009 08:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
A few things i wanted to say, has anyone checked the map for a trigger that forces one player to spawn in a location? Plus even though Idra hosted isn't it possible they played before with Dimega hosting first with the map?
it's melee so no triggers ;p
damn you NightMarjoo
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On July 29 2009 08:15 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
A few things i wanted to say, has anyone checked the map for a trigger that forces one player to spawn in a location? Plus even though Idra hosted isn't it possible they played before with Dimega hosting first with the map? melee has no triggers
Oh so it definitely was played on melee then? Well. It would be retarded to take a 50/50 risk of giving yourself an advantage.
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On July 29 2009 08:15 lokiM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 08:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
A few things i wanted to say, has anyone checked the map for a trigger that forces one player to spawn in a location? Plus even though Idra hosted isn't it possible they played before with Dimega hosting first with the map? it's melee so no triggers ;p damn you NightMarjoo
aha I have marred your post (and it's night somewhere)!
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