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[Spoilers] Cheat Accusation in Proleague - Page 10

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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 07 2009 05:19 GMT
#181
Solution: One-way glass :D
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0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
June 07 2009 05:35 GMT
#182
I've always wondered why they don't do this all the time... especially in high-profile or popular matches, the audience will act shocked if someone does a proxy or rush, and if you just take a quick glance you might be able to guess that a cheesy build is coming, at least, and thus double your scouting effort.
dirtnap
Profile Joined March 2009
United States20 Posts
June 07 2009 05:50 GMT
#183

Let's put the players' booths facing the crowd and then make it illegal for them to look at the crowd.

Let's make it so that its cheating for players to move their eyes 10 degrees to the side.

Let's go ahead and put some pole dancers in the booth with them and if a player looks at them they're disqualified.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
June 07 2009 06:51 GMT
#184
[image loading]

I remember during the beginning of the game, Leta did look like he looked too much to his left, maybe towards the audience. But what would the audience have done that told him there was a proxy factory?
Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
June 07 2009 06:57 GMT
#185
just wondering not sure if anybody said this yet but
why wont they like paint the mirrors in the inside? like the inside you can only see yourself in the mirror and have the outside mirror be able to see the inside so the crowd can see them but the player cannot see the crowd?
Aurioch
Profile Joined January 2009
United States414 Posts
June 07 2009 07:15 GMT
#186
On June 07 2009 15:57 Darkmole wrote:
just wondering not sure if anybody said this yet but
why wont they like paint the mirrors in the inside? like the inside you can only see yourself in the mirror and have the outside mirror be able to see the inside so the crowd can see them but the player cannot see the crowd?

.......You mean one-sided mirror......?
My life for aiur
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 07 2009 07:58 GMT
#187
On June 06 2009 17:37 konadora wrote:
Coach Lee Ji Hoon requests pause over Leta's suspicious behavior that he thinks is an act of intention of cheating

[image loading]


The ace match between KT and Hite was paused upon request by the coach.

The incident occurred in the ace match, which was between KT's forGG and Hite's Leta.

Leta went for no barracks expo, while forGG went proxy 2 factories in the middle of the map, which Leta scouted with his SCV and was able to defend appropriately.

Following that, coach Lee Ji Hoon accused that Leta glanced at the audience and realised what had happened, and hence was able to act appropriately and gain the good spots for easy defense.

KeSPA's Oh Young Jin referee discussed the issue with the coaches from both sides, and after checking the tapes, concluded that Leta's behavior did not have any significant impact on the game itself and resumed the game.

Source: Fomos.kr


even if Leta looked at the audience and determined cheese was afoot, the booths should be built such that the players can not see through them
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 07 2009 07:59 GMT
#188
On June 07 2009 15:51 Kinky wrote:
[image loading]

I remember during the beginning of the game, Leta did look like he looked too much to his left, maybe towards the audience. But what would the audience have done that told him there was a proxy factory?


it's probably easy to notice a bored audience versus an excited audience in the very early game

bored audience = standard

excited audience = CHEESE
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51674 Posts
June 07 2009 08:45 GMT
#189
i love that picture of the ref staring at the coaches with a stiff face, it's like something out of the matrix or something.
Commentator
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4653 Posts
June 07 2009 09:52 GMT
#190
Leta is OGN's star player. I wonder how people would had reacted if it was Flash, Bisu, or Jaedong doing the cheese and the person cheating was some unliked progamer. Hell would be raised
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
zeNace
Profile Joined June 2008
United States13 Posts
June 07 2009 11:06 GMT
#191
holyshit
It's too hard to be good at this game
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 08 2009 05:25 GMT
#192
On June 07 2009 14:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I've always wondered why they don't do this all the time... especially in high-profile or popular matches, the audience will act shocked if someone does a proxy or rush, and if you just take a quick glance you might be able to guess that a cheesy build is coming, at least, and thus double your scouting effort.


Because this is cheating? They've already made it harder to ear-hack, but apparently that's not enough.
God Bless
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
June 08 2009 05:41 GMT
#193
if i lived in korea i'd bring a green bay packers cheesehead hat to the matches and put it on when a player was cheesing.
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
June 08 2009 06:36 GMT
#194
On June 08 2009 14:25 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 14:35 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
I've always wondered why they don't do this all the time... especially in high-profile or popular matches, the audience will act shocked if someone does a proxy or rush, and if you just take a quick glance you might be able to guess that a cheesy build is coming, at least, and thus double your scouting effort.


Because this is cheating? They've already made it harder to ear-hack, but apparently that's not enough.


Might as well even have a mole in the audience that does hand signals or some other kind of signal for specific key points of the build.
Nothing to it but to do it.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
June 08 2009 07:11 GMT
#195
On June 08 2009 14:41 mucker wrote:
if i lived in korea i'd bring a green bay packers cheesehead hat to the matches and put it on when a player was cheesing.

:D
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
June 08 2009 08:36 GMT
#196
Instead of having to install expensive one-way mirrors, they could just, you know, angle the progamers' chairs or booths in a way that they can't see the audience as well. They don't need to have their backs completely to the audience, just enough in a way that they can't visibly make out any signs or signals.
[]Lowkey[]
Profile Joined April 2009
30 Posts
June 08 2009 08:38 GMT
#197
On June 08 2009 14:41 mucker wrote:
if i lived in korea i'd bring a green bay packers cheesehead hat to the matches and put it on when a player was cheesing.

i loled hard...
BoooYahhhh!
Volker
Profile Joined June 2009
United States5 Posts
June 08 2009 08:44 GMT
#198
As it is that's an absolute huge advantage to standard macro players..
Need something destroyed?
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
June 08 2009 08:46 GMT
#199
Or just make them face away from the audience.
No no no no its not mine!
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
June 08 2009 09:12 GMT
#200
On June 08 2009 17:36 soudo wrote:
Instead of having to install expensive one-way mirrors, they could just, you know, angle the progamers' chairs or booths in a way that they can't see the audience as well. They don't need to have their backs completely to the audience, just enough in a way that they can't visibly make out any signs or signals.

Well I'm sure it's also pretty important for the spectators to be able to see the progamers expressions (at least the spectators who have front row seats). And I doubt installing one-way mirrors is really that costly considering the scale of starcraft investements.
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