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xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
March 25 2009 04:04 GMT
#41
Also, about reaver popping, if you read Boxer's biography, he said he played protoss at first because the reaver was his favorite unit, but the patch made reaver's "dumb" and he switched to terran. Maybe that's why he likes dropships so much...
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 04:15:56
March 25 2009 04:11 GMT
#42
On March 24 2009 14:05 hku wrote:
2. Reaver shuttle micro
IntotheRainbow was one of the first to really start relying on reavers exclusively to beat terran players; his game where he wins vs goodfriend with only reavers and high templar harass is a "best games" compilation staple.
Stork took the reaver and slowly developed in the monty-hall/python era using reavers to delay timing attacks (that were popular pre-flash tvp) while teching to carriers. it used to involve transitioning into a ground army and then multiple expos to carriers, but after some refinement, he developed the infamous 2-base carrier that any decent protoss (ie even therock) could use to rape all terrans(except mind, forgg, hwasin) easy.

4. Muta Micro
discovered by shark, abused by July, standardized by jaedong
Yellow/july/gorush era zergs would still use the clicking on minerals trick to stack mutas(used mostly as a surprise like in modern zvp), but the endless amount of clips of july raping mineral lines in zvt way back when changed the way muta's were looked at forever. savior made it possible to use muta's every game in zvt as a way to reach lurker and hive tech. jaedong made zvt look imba with his 12 or so zvt streak during the tau cross era. shortly after the 3 hatch muta was standardized by jaedong, yarnc decided that he was going to fuck macro games and just rely only on 2 hatch muta micro to break terrans(this was developed even further into variations like 2 hatch muta->expand or 2 hatch muta+lurker very recently by luxury).

5. Goon Micro
Most protosses were all able to do this trick, but very few used it in live games. Free was one of the first protoss to consistently use this trick in live games. Even most gamers though Free was being unreasonably reckless, until it was clear that his goon micro vs mines were winning him games under 10 min in proleague around the late life of python.

8. stasis
Arbiter were basically lost after the FD era until Flash era tvp. Midas famously said that any protoss who goes abiters are doing him a favor. It was the birth of flash's double armory build on katrina/blue storm that caused stork to cry "IMBA" and cry after his 3rd major league silver. Bisu would try valiantly in the OSL to defeat Flash with some surprise arbiter builds, but it was Janbi and Best who introduced arbiters as standard play in pvt. Thanks to the storm dropping/abiter play along with the refocus on the macro style by best that recently shifted the favor back to protoss in pvt.

1. Guerilla warfare drops (storm, reaver,dt, vulture, luker)
boxer's vulture play vs protoss was largely forgotten once OOv decided that all he needed was bad-ass macro to beat protoss. Vultures were used sparingly in the hwasin's timing approach to gauge timings and do some harass if possible. Flash's style also sparingly use vultures to turn around game where he's behind and also locate the protoss army. Mind and Fantasy brought back a hybrid style of heavy vulture harass/timing tvp but mostly are the only practitioner of the style.

Again, intotherainbow really brought reavers to the forefront of pvt, and stork made builds revolving around it. the infamous bisu build (nex first->corsair->dt) was standardized in the gomtv msl finals vs savior. He would continue to be at the forefront of pvz with refining reaver/ht harassment.

2. Terran pushes (or did terran always naturally create pushes)
specifically things such as Han Ban (or however u spell it), Gundum rush and things of that nature but not limited can also b very broad
if you search for the history of the pvt match up, they have an unbelievably detailed description of the terran push(all kinds)


info that i find useful:
terran:_________________zerg______________________________protoss
Boxer - micro____________yellow - understood larva usage________garimto - micro
nada - management______july - low econ zerg___________________nal_ra - unpredictabilty/mind games
oov - macro_____________gorush - unpredictablity/mind games____reach - macro
midas - fd
hwasin - timing__________savior - 3 hatchery/macro zerg_________stork - reaver/carrier
flash - double armory______jaedong - muta micro_______________bisu - fe
fantasy - mech vs zerg_____________________________________jangbi/best - macro/storm/arbiter


You give Jaedong to much credit he never invented anything. Hes highly unoriginal actually he just does whats already established really really well. He had no role in establishing/popularizing muta micro. Shark invented it and July made it the standard for every zerg. Also Best/Jangbi did not popularize Arbiters in pvz it was mainly Pusan and maby maby Stork. You give to much credit to modern players who mostly are all unoriginal due to their extremely demanding schedules. It was the old greats that came up with all this stuff.
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skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
March 25 2009 04:22 GMT
#43
I dont really agree with hku post, tend to give too much credit to newer progamers.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Tom Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
1114 Posts
March 25 2009 04:36 GMT
#44
On March 25 2009 13:11 Kuja900 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2009 14:05 hku wrote:
2. Reaver Shuttle micro
IntoTheRainBOw was one of the first to Really start relying on reavers exclusively to beat terran players; his game Where he wins vs Goodfriend with Only reavers and high templar harass is a "best games" compilation staple.
Stork took the reaver and slowly developed in the monty-hall/Python era using reavers to delay timing attacks (that were popular pre-flash tvp) while teching to carriers. it used to involve transitioning into a ground army and then multiple expos to carriers, but after some refinement, he developed the infamous 2-base carrier that any decent protoss (ie even therock) could use to rape all terrans(except mind, fOrGG, Hwasin) easy.

4. Muta Micro
discovered by Shark, abused by July, standardized by Jaedong
YellOw/July/GoRush era zergs would still use the clicking on minerals trick to stack mutas(used mostly as a surprise like in Modern zvp), but the Endless amount of clips of July raping Mineral lines in zvt way back when changed the way muta's were looked at forever. sAviOr made it possible to use muta's every game in zvt as a way to Reach lurker and hive tech. Jaedong made zvt look imba with his 12 or so zvt streak during the Tau Cross era. shortly after the 3 hatch muta was standardized by Jaedong, yarnc decided that he was going to fuck macro games and just rely Only on 2 hatch muta micro to break terrans(this was developed even further into variations like 2 hatch muta->expand or 2 hatch muta+lurker very recently by luxury).

5. Goon Micro
Most protosses were all able to do this trick, but very few used it in Live games. free was one of the first protoss to consistently use this trick in Live games. Even most gamers though free was being unreasonably reckless, until it was clear that his goon micro vs mines were winning him games under 10 min in proleague around the late life of Python.

8. stasis
Arbiter were basically lost after the FD era until Flash era tvp. Midas famously said that any protoss who goes abiters are doing him a favor. It was the birth of Flash's double armory build on Katrina/Blue Storm that caused Stork to cry "IMBA" and cry after his 3rd Major league Silver. Bisu would try valiantly in the OSL to defeat Flash with some surprise arbiter builds, but it was Janbi and Best who introduced arbiters as standard play in pvt. Thanks to the storm dropping/abiter play along with the refocus on the macro Style by best that recently shifted the favor back to protoss in pvt.

1. Guerilla warfare drops (storm, reaver,dt, Vulture, luker)
BoxeR's Vulture play vs protoss was largely forgotten once Oov decided that all he needed was bad-ass macro to beat protoss. Vultures were used sparingly in the Hwasin's timing approach to gauge timings and do some harass if possible. Flash's Style also sparingly use vultures to turn around game Where he's behind and also locate the protoss army. Mind and fantasy brought back a hybrid Style of heavy Vulture harass/timing tvp but mostly are the Only practitioner of the Style.

Again, IntoTheRainBOw Really brought reavers to the forefront of pvt, and Stork made builds revolving around it. the infamous Bisu build (nex first->corsair->dt) was standardized in the gomtv msl finals vs sAviOr. He would continue to be at the forefront of pvz with refining reaver/ht harassment.

2. Terran pushes (or did terran always naturally create pushes)
specifically things such as han Ban (or however u spell it), Gundum rush and things of that nature but not limited can also b very broad
if you search for the HistOry of the pvt match up, they have an unbelievably detailed description of the terran Push(all kinds)


info that i find useful:
terran:_________________zerg______________________________protoss
BoxeR - micro____________yellow - understood larva usage________garimto - micro
NaDa - management______july - low econ zerg___________________nal_ra - unpredictabilty/mind games
Oov - macro_____________gorush - unpredictablity/mind games____reach - macro
Midas - fd
Hwasin - timing__________savior - 3 hatchery/macro zerg_________stork - reaver/carrier
Flash - double armory______jaedong - muta micro_______________bisu - fe
fantasy - mech vs zerg_____________________________________jangbi/best - macro/storm/arbiter


You give Jaedong to much credit he never invented anything. Hes highly unoriginal actually he just does whats already established Really Really well. He had no role in establishing/popularizing muta micro. Shark invented it and July made it the standard for every zerg. Also Best/JangBi did not popularize Arbiters in pvz it was mainly Pusan and maby maby Stork. You give to much credit to Modern players who mostly are all unoriginal due to their extremely demanding schedules. It was the old greats that came up with all this stuff.


To be fair, (Z)Jaedong did refine the use of Queens in TvZ after (Z)hyvaa attempted to use them. It was he who showed that Queens were a viable, albeit a micro heavy, option in TvZ. But other then that, I can agree that most newer players have come up with little both beacuse the game has mostly been explored by now and beacuse they are given little room for experimentation.
You and your "5 years of competitive RTS experience" can take a hike. - FrozenArbiter
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