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Ive been searching the forums looking for information on the beginings of brood war as to compile a history of broodwar.. There are some very specific things i wish to know and if you guys could teach me I would greatly apreciate it. I might as well create a list (may grow as questions arise)
1st on the list is the several types of modern uses we find in units or micro that have been fine tuned with units. I would like to know who started the trend and then who is most famous for modernizing or perfecting the style.
1. Medic Marine micro (Boxer I think)
2. Reaver shuttle micro
3. Vulture micro
4. Muta Micro
5. Goon Micro
6.Plague and Dark Swarm
7. Maelstrom and Storm
8. Archon morping/ Lurker egg/ stasis ramp blocks
9. The terran eraser vs zerg (eradiated science vessel)
Next is a list of types of tactics, who was the first to come up with these tactics, and again who modernized and perfected the styles we see today.
1. Guerilla warfare drops (storm, reaver,dt, vulture, luker)
2. Terran pushes (or did terran always naturally create pushes)
specifically things such as Han Ban (or however u spell it), Gundum rush and things of that nature but not limited can also b very broad
3. Doom drops (zerg)
4. Cannon rushes
Finally is specific builds, this I wont generate a list for unless I can't find a specific one, but great modern examples of this would b the bisu build or the fantasy/oov/boxer mech build vs zerg. And also things u take for granted like 2 base carrier ect.
And final note people who have contributed something large to the game, for example the bonjwas (I don't need information on this theres enough out there) like how nada revolutionized macro style, or savior for map control ect.
As i said before more questions will come as I begin gathering information for my current project. Sry if this post seems annoying but I was gathering information and I figured I'd ask the experts.
Also any important historical facts that u guys wanna add would be awesome, I promise to post the results of this research.
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1. Boxer
2. IntoTheRainbow
3. NaDa
4. Julyzerg
5. don't know
and for tactics I'm not sure. maybe reach since he was known for good storms (not sure about storm drops though, his were more about storming the opponent's army)
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Baa?21245 Posts
[NC]YellOw was the original aggressive low-econ Zerg, his version of guerrilla warfare taught July a lot.
Savior was the one who popularized fast Defiler play with Dark Swarm and Plague. He also refined/invented 3-hatch Mutas.
As for the macro style, Reach versus iloveoov is generally credited as the birth of the modern macro style.
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On March 23 2009 10:26 haz wrote:
1. Boxer
2. IntoTheRainbow
3. NaDa
4. Julyzerg
5. don't know
and for tactics I'm not sure. maybe reach since he was known for good storms (not sure about storm drops though, his were more about storming the opponent's army)
Shark actually discoverd modern muta-micro Julyzerg gets credit for it because Hwasin was noob in the ODT.
Also Free is probably the player most famous for Dragoon micro, I think he figured out how to clear mine fields w/o obs.
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4. Would be Shark and july...shark invented..but july won games n stuff. In reference to stacking of mutas.
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Baa?21245 Posts
Grrr... also invented cloning, forgot to mention.
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1.boxer actually nvm could have been sync too
2.rainbow
3.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
4.first time i ever saw it was from july
5.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
6.h_paul_wii (probably the biggest amateur who had an impact on bw tactic wise for z)
7.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
8.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
dont know and is probably impossible to find out = most of the things you are trying to find were probably achieved by practice/tests within proteams so its hard to say if they were started by 1 specific player(could also be coachs and stuff), for example the most standard tvp b.o which used to be the 6-7 rine 1 tank + mine into exp b.o was started by skt1
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I remember Shark... I thought he was the next big thing. Then he disappeared =(.
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Thanks for the help keep posting
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I thought Zileas is the one credited with the Reaver Shuttle micro?
+ Show Spoiler +The reaver drop was popularized in tournament games in 1998 by the player known on Battle.net as Zileas, then an underclassman at MIT, whose quickness with coordinating the reavers and shuttles were described as "like a shuttle that fires scarabs". This technique effectively prevented many ground-attack units from engaging the reaver, since it could drop, shoot and load back into the shuttle before they could counter-attack. The developers of Starcraft, in a later patch, responded to this by introducing a short delay to prevent the reaver from opening fire as soon as it hit the ground.
Source: StrategyWiki
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On March 23 2009 10:18 gk_ender wrote:
1. Medic Marine micro (Boxer I think)
2. Reaver shuttle micro
3. Vulture micro
4. Muta Micro
5. Goon Micro
6.Plague and Dark Swarm
7. Maelstrom and Storm
8. Archon morping/ Lurker egg/ stasis ramp blocks
Next is a list of types of tactics, who was the first to come up with these tactics, and again who modernized and perfected the styles we see today.
1. Guerilla warfare drops (storm, reaver,dt, vulture, luker)
2. Terran pushes (or did terran always naturally create pushes)
specifically things such as Han Ban (or however u spell it), Gundum rush and things of that nature but not limited can also b very broad
3. Doom drops (zerg)
4. Cannon rushes
1. Boxer
2. Rainbow
3. NaDa
4. Shark
5. Giyom
6. Modernizing/innovating no idea, but the guy who perfected this IMO is Savior.
7. Giyom was one of the first to use DAs and Maelstrom correctly, IIRC. Could be Reach.
8. No idea.
Tactics:
1. No idea
2. Midas? Gundam rush is obv V-Gundam... maybe you could put Joyo in here?
3. Hong Jin Ho manly Storm Zerg
4. Nal_rA? No idea but his cannon rushes come into mind, specifically his great cannon placement.
Builds:
You can put A LOT of stuff here, but here are some builds actually named for people:
1. Gundam/Bamboo rush - V-Gundam
2. Joyo rush
3. SK Terran - Seul Ki/SoulKey
4. Flash builds (TvP Katrina, 9:00 push TvZ, etc.)
5. Bisu build
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On March 23 2009 10:31 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2009 10:26 haz wrote:
1. Boxer
2. IntoTheRainbow
3. NaDa
4. Julyzerg
5. don't know
and for tactics I'm not sure. maybe reach since he was known for good storms (not sure about storm drops though, his were more about storming the opponent's army) Shark actually discoverd modern muta-micro Julyzerg gets credit for it because Hwasin was noob in the ODT. Also Free is probably the player most famous for Dragoon micro, I think he figured out how to clear mine fields w/o obs.
he wasnt noob, he just didnt practice vs that good of a muta harass and didnt really know how ti fight the imba mutas.
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8. Egg - YellOw for using it to block the entrance to his base in a 2v2 (was in Pimpest Plays)
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On March 23 2009 10:18 gk_ender wrote:
1. Medic Marine micro (Boxer I think)
2. Reaver shuttle micro
3. Vulture micro
4. Muta Micro
5. Goon Micro
6.Plague and Dark Swarm
7. Maelstrom and Storm
8. Archon morping/ Lurker egg/ stasis ramp blocks
Next is a list of types of tactics, who was the first to come up with these tactics, and again who modernized and perfected the styles we see today.
1. Guerilla warfare drops (storm, reaver,dt, vulture, luker)
2. Terran pushes (or did terran always naturally create pushes)
specifically things such as Han Ban (or however u spell it), Gundum rush and things of that nature but not limited can also b very broad
3. Doom drops (zerg)
4. Cannon rushes
1. Boxer
2. IntoTheRainBOw
7. GiYoM was the first to use maelstrom in a pro game (versus Zerglee)
GiYoM created a lot of little tricks we use today. He also created basic Protoss essentially, the 8p/10gate/11assim/13cyber was created by him. Most fast expand strategies were also used first by him. He used 14 nexus (or something very similar) vs. HOT-Forever way back then.
On March 23 2009 10:56 Tom Phoenix wrote:I thought Zileas is the one credited with the Reaver Shuttle micro? + Show Spoiler +The reaver drop was popularized in tournament games in 1998 by the player known on Battle.net as Zileas, then an underclassman at MIT, whose quickness with coordinating the reavers and shuttles were described as "like a shuttle that fires scarabs". This technique effectively prevented many ground-attack units from engaging the reaver, since it could drop, shoot and load back into the shuttle before they could counter-attack. The developers of Starcraft, in a later patch, responded to this by introducing a short delay to prevent the reaver from opening fire as soon as it hit the ground.
I believe his reaver drop was more just a doom drop (bunch of other shuttles with other units in it, including reaver). I think we are talking more about who popularized it/was best at it.
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Baa?21245 Posts
Nal Ra's is generally credited as either the inventor or the refiner of the Corsair-Reaver build, depending on who you ask.
I want to say that Reach did the Forge fast expand in PvZ, but I could be wrong.
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On March 23 2009 10:40 iamtt1 wrote:
1.boxer actually nvm could have been sync too
2.rainbow
3.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
4.first time i ever saw it was from july
5.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
6.h_paul_wii (probably the biggest amateur who had an impact on bw tactic wise for z)
7.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
8.dont know and is probably impossible to find out
dont know and is probably impossible to find out = most of the things you are trying to find were probably achieved by practice/tests within proteams so its hard to say if they were started by 1 specific player(could also be coachs and stuff), for example the most standard tvp b.o which used to be the 6-7 rine 1 tank + mine into exp b.o was started by skt1
well could u put the teams possibly or coaches
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There's a difference between who used it first and who made it standard in a pro game. The problem is, the people often don't know the former and it will probably get miscredited.
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I would say the one that really perfected goon micro was kingdom. It still rivals the goon micro of today, some 6-7 years after his prime.
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didn't july invent microing mutas back and forth to keep momentum, and then shark found out that if you group it with something offscreen they perfectly stack (before that you had to constantly click on like minerals to clump them together)?
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