EPTLooks like I'm going to have to do some research on ForGG, FBH, Horang2, Tester, and Stats.
[Fantasy] PL Trades - Page 7
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Looks like I'm going to have to do some research on ForGG, FBH, Horang2, Tester, and Stats. | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 20:20 Pioneer wrote: Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free). Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair trade for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?) Other trades were nice though. Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu. I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On February 05 2009 20:47 semioldguy wrote: I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team. Sorry my point logic was all skewed, I read what you wrote and reread what I wrote and realized it was off. | ||
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
 EffOrt > Luxury seems great opportunity, and getting rid of  sKyHigh for someone else, but risky... other trades are a really big gamble. Again I'd like to request some kind of trade for  Much for next week please. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
Also.. the trade deadline is Feb 07 13:00 what's the time of eSTRO - CJ match where could EffOrt get some easy kills.. grrr | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On February 05 2009 20:47 semioldguy wrote: I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team. well yeah I agree, but a trade that looks like: Free/Hiya >>> Best(or even Bisu) isn`t really a great opportunity. Even though you'd be at an advantage over people that chose Best...Free could earn another 40 points..while Best could earn just 10...it`s a risk. However, a trade like: Free/Hiya <<<>>> Bisu is more awesome and it gives Bisu owners a chance to gamble | ||
amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
And I dont trust hyvaa. On February 05 2009 19:17 Mandalor wrote: Hwasin >>>> Bogus is tempting, but I wouldn't give up on Hwasin just yet. yeah, he has a decent chance of all-killing Ace (2) (T)Lomo – 3 <<< >>> (1) (T)Hery – 2 I'd rather make this >>> only | ||
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Tensai176
Canada2061 Posts
Canata <<<>>> Midas trade, for one, Midas is not on the A-Team anymore, something that can't be predicted very well. Why this causes problems? You will not ever want to trade Canata for a person on the B-Team. Or more generally, never want to trade an A-Team member for a B-Team member. A suggestion is to send Midas a trade (one-way) with several other players (perhaps 3) of equal value, such as players who are sucking (sunny from ACE) or others. I would trade any A-Team player right now to get rid of Midas. I am only expressing this view because I was looking forward to dropping Midas only to see the only option is Canata, whom I already have in my Fantasy Team T.T. Perhaps it's my fault for picking Midas =/. Cheers, hopefully I can trade Midas next week =). | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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noddyz
United Kingdom462 Posts
*sigh* I knew that was going to happen. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:26 noddyz wrote: FBH & ForGG. I have both. *sigh* I knew that was going to happen. you should trade them both then | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 23:52 amorpheus wrote: I'd like to trade away Sea but can't have two Hwasins lol And I dont trust hyvaa. I'd rather make this >>> only It's okay... no one actually has Hery to make the trade to Lomo anyway :p | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 23:46 Jaeden wrote: well yeah I agree, but a trade that looks like: Free/Hiya >>> Best(or even Bisu) isn`t really a great opportunity. Even though you'd be at an advantage over people that chose Best...Free could earn another 40 points..while Best could earn just 10...it`s a risk. However, a trade like: Free/Hiya <<<>>> Bisu is more awesome and it gives Bisu owners a chance to gamble There are two things I have wrong with this. (1) I still don't see how the trade is fair to people who own Bisu/Best. Saying that it is a risk doesn't make it automatically fair. By that logic ANY trade could be argued as "fair" and that's just ridiculous  If I owned Bisu and saw that trade I would feel ripped off. (There is actually a trade or two that I did include that I feel that way about after I've thought about them some more) (2) Bisu is doing well. I'm disinclined to include players to be traded off who are doing well. Less people are looking to trade off a successful player and to add them into trade to allow their owners "a gamble" is largely helping the teams that are already doing well while ignoring many teams that aren't. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
i think the less trades that seem obviously beneficial to the owner who is trading away a player, the better. we pick and live with the decisions we make before the 7 week season, and those decisions should largely guide the value of our team. owners should not be able to trade away their entire team and still do really well, this would mean there's a huge flaw in how we do things. while a trade or two can improve your team, it should still rely on the baseline picks you made before week 1. | ||
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
Or maybe... it was those 2 "mentioned" others that you didn't wanted to put up for trades along with BoxeR and Bisu??? Is that right semi???? | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
@QuickStriker iloveoov was a conscious decision to not be included in any trade. He cost two points, has already earned his worth, and his value is very much deflated after what could have been his only appearance in Winners League. By the end of the league he is guaranteed to be worth more than his cost (unless SKT doesn't win any of it's last 7 matches). The same is true of anyone wanting to trade Guemchi. That doesn't mean these players won't be in trades, it's just very unlikely. Nada was indeed one of the others. I did have him in a trade at first, and fiddled with it a couple times, but wasn't happy with it in the end and just removed it. Part of it is because of the same reason Bisu and Boxer were skipped. Nada is on pace to score more than he is worth, of course that has been help thus far by WeMade's 3-0 record, but at 5 points he is not doing poorly at all relative to his cost and other players who cost the same amount as him or less. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36383 Posts
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On February 06 2009 02:44 Hot_Bid wrote: yeah i'd just like to add that a lot of thought goes into these trades, more than you probably expect. it's to ensure that all the trades are fair. semi won't compromise the league by putting up questionable ones. he also goes in with the mindset that he won't make any trades on his own team, so it's not imbalanced toward any specific users. yeah...it seems that we're not counting that. It`s harder to make those trades than complaining about them  | ||
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