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Fantasy Proleague Trading ThreadShinhan 08/09 Round 3: Winners League
This will be the thread where I will be posting the trades that will be available each week. In order to complete a trade, you must PM me the trade you wish to make. Posting requests in this thread to make trades to you team will NOT be honored. Use this thread to ask any questions you have about trading, discuss the trades that are offered each week and to suggest players you would like to get rid of and/or players you would like to pick up for future trade weeks. I will do my best to include the players that people would like to trade away or pick up.
Trading Rules
1. You must PM me the trades you wish to make before the closing time.
2. You may not trade away your captain.
3. You must have at least one player from each race on your team at all times.
4. You may not have duplicates of any player on your team.
5. When you trade away a player, you keep all points that player has earned up to that point.
6. When a player you trade for is added to your team, you do not get any of the points he has earned so far. You only get the points he earns in the future.
7. Trades do not care about the points spent to put a player on your team. It doesn’t matter if you go over thirty and if you go under thirty that’s fine too. You don’t get to build up any “credits” if you started or trade down to below thirty points.
8. You may not take back a trade once it is submitted.
There are two kinds of trades. One Way trades and Two Way trades.
One Way trades will look like this: “Player A >>> Player B.” If you have the player on the left (Player A), you may only trade him away to receive the player on the right (Player B), not the other way around.
Two Way trades will look like this: “Player A <<< >>> Player B.” If you have either player, you may trade the player you have away to receive the player on the other side of the trade.
Players in the trades will be listed with the points it would have originally cost to place them on your team as well as the number of points they have earned so far this season. The cost will be listed to the left of the player in parenthesis and the current points that player has scored will be listed to the right of that player. Ex: (8)  Flash – 1. Remember, in any trade, you keep the points you have already earned and you will not get the points previously earned by the player you receive, only their future points.
Trades for Week 1
There will be NO TRADES for Week 1.
Check back next week!
Frequently Asked Questions
When will trades be available?
+ Show Spoiler +Trades will be posted each week sometime not too long after Wednesday afternoon's matches. Trades will close right before the next week's matches start, usually at 13:00 KST/TeamLiquid time on Saturday afternoon.
In the Winners League format there will be no trades between week one and week two.
What do you take into account when creating trades?
+ Show Spoiler +Generally players offered for trade will be players that are on more than just a couple teams to ensure that trades will be available to the largest amount of participants, exceptions will be made for certain specific requests.
Recent performance is also highly taken into account. Players on hot streaks will less often be offered to be traded away because teams should want to keep their players that are doing well. Players who under-perform will more often be up for trade because owners will not want to keep a potential slumping player around (if you are familiar with other fantasy leagues you probably recognize a trend of cold players being dropped each week to free agency and that week's hot players being snatched up onto people's rosters, but usually ones with uncertain return values for future weeks as all the big name players are never left on free agency). I try to take this mentality into consideration when creating trades.
No trade should be a complete no-brainer to accept, there should be enough weight to the pros and cons of each side of the trade to justify either taking or not taking it. The trade needs to be fair to the person making the trade, but also the people who already own the player you are trading for.
How do we know you won't make imbalanced trades to benefit your own team?
+ Show Spoiler +Because I won't be using any trades.
No one who is using trades in the league will be providing input on trade creation.
How can I check to see who is on my team that I can trade?
+ Show Spoiler +As of now all trades should be updated in the rankings thread. Do not use the signup link to check your team because it will not reflect trades, only the Daily Rankings thread will be accurate. If your trade isn't there, either semioldguy forgot it (not likely) or you submitted the trade too late or for your captain or didn't have one of each race or some other prohibited action.
I don't want one of my players, but he isn't offered in a trade this week. How do I get rid of him?
+ Show Spoiler +Post a request of which players you would like to be able to trade away in this thread or send semioldguy a PM. I can't ensure that everyone's requests will appear in trades due to the large volume of participants, but I will do my best.
Please don't request your player to be traded for a specific certain other player. A majority of the requests like these I receive are not fair trades. Just because Flash isn't working out for you and you thought he'd do as well as Jaedong, doesn't mean you get to trade him for Jaedong who is working out for a bunch of other people. These trades also have to be fair to the owners who already own the player you are trading to receive.
When should I request a player to be traded?
+ Show Spoiler +As soon as you know you don't want him.
Preferably sometime before the last matches of the week finish, or just after they finish. Trades will be going up not too long after the last matches of the week and if your request isn't seen before I post them you will end up having to wait until the next week's trades. I will be sure to check my inbox and this thread just prior to posting the trades each week to be sure that as many requests can be met as possible.
Will teams (ex. SKT, Lecaf, etc.) be offered for trades as well?
+ Show Spoiler +Yes.
Teams will appear in trade offers from week to week as well and will be held to many of the same principles of fairness as player to player trades. You will not be able to trade a team for a player or a player for a team.
What are Featured Trades?
+ Show Spoiler +Nothing special really.
A "Featured Trade" merely denotes a trade as being between two players or teams that will face of against each other in the coming week, so unlike most other trades, these ones are directly relevant to the following week's matches
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Why any trades at all ? 
Okey.. stupid question..
One the one hand it will make this more interesting on the other hand it can get quite confusing ?
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i would like to trade away BackHo simply becaus he is injured.
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Why no trades for week 1?
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Kal -> Anytime would be awesome.
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On January 22 2009 03:46 Tonkerchen wrote:
BoxeR -> GuemChi
Lol?
Boxer is being a piece of shit right doing nothing and Guemchi is showing huge potential at becoming a star player for Stars. The trades are supposed to be "even" and not no-brainer ones.
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On January 19 2009 16:15 semioldguy wrote:
Please don't request your player to be traded for a specific certain other player. A majority of the requests like these I receive are not fair trades. Just because Flash isn't working out for you and you thought he'd do as well as Jaedong, doesn't mean you get to trade him for Jaedong who is working out for a bunch of other people. These trades also have to be fair to the owners who already own the player you are trading to receive.
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Calm, >>> Anytime
how does this work?
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On January 22 2009 04:42 rushz0rz wrote:
Calm, >>> Anytime
how does this work?
rushz0rz / Bisu / firebathero / UpMagiC / Chalrenge / YellOw / Calm / SK Telecom T1
lol
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Can we take unused points into account for the trade to even it up a little?
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You don't choose who you want to trade, you PM suggestions to semioldguy and they might be taken in account, but all in all, it's up to him and anyone else running FPL to decide who is going to be up for trade during a certain week. Although, this is all said in the first post, so I don't see why it has to be reiterated.
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On January 22 2009 04:54 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Can we take unused points into account for the trade to even it up a little?
Read trading rule #7 in the OP... if you still have this question, send me a PM.
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For the trades are you going to take in account that since 2 teams are playing once less every week, some players will get more chances to play then others.
For example STX will play twice a week now.
While ACE will play once less 
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On January 23 2009 01:40 Beamo wrote:For the trades are you going to take in account that since 2 teams are playing once less every week, some players will get more chances to play then others. For example STX will play twice a week now. While ACE will play once less
Yes.
This was taken into account last season and will be taken into account again this season.
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does week 2 count this 'no progaming week' week?
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Hwasin for literally anyone that has the slightest chance of gaining points.
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MBC Game team for trade, please?
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I'd like to be able to trade Bisu and/or Lomo.
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I want to trade  HerO for  by.hero due to a misclick during signups.
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Recommendation :
Stork <<<< >>>> fantasy
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Bisu <<<>>>Anytime
Lomo <<<>>>HiyA
fair?
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Jaedong for HiyA.... don't think Jaedong is ever going to be able to play!
Oh nevermind can't trade away my captain!! Noooo
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On February 01 2009 07:42 bumatlarge wrote:Bisu <<<>>>Anytime Lomo <<<>>>HiyA fair?
;; I'd expect something like Luxury <<<>>> HiyA or replace Luxury with Mind or Yarnc.
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On February 01 2009 08:02 Pioneer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2009 07:42 bumatlarge wrote:Bisu <<<>>>Anytime Lomo <<<>>>HiyA fair? ;; I'd expect something like Luxury <<<>>> HiyA or replace Luxury with Mind or Yarnc.
Luxury for Yarnc would be interesting
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Examples of what causes me to pull out my hair:
On February 01 2009 07:42 bumatlarge wrote:Bisu <<<>>>Anytime Lomo <<<>>>HiyA fair?
On February 01 2009 07:24 darkemperor wrote:
Recommendation :
Stork <<<< >>>> fantasy
I don't know why.... but despite my saying specifically not to do this, I still get a bunch of these in PM's and they show up in the thread anyway. As soon as I see those arrows or any indication that someone is suggesting a certain player for a certain other player... I just stop reading. There are several reasons for this:
(1) The majority of the ones I have seen are ridiculously imbalanced or not thought through. These trades have to be fair to the person trading, but also fair to every player that already owns the player you are trading for. Someone shouldn't feel ripped off because someone else got an easy trade for a player they paid the full price to put on their team initially.
(2) There is no reason not to make the trade, or in the two ways there is no one who would even consider going the trade one way while everyone and Hot_Bid's mother would take the trade the other way. Trades can't be no-brainers, otherwise it is unfair to the teams that didn't get ant no-brainer type trades.
(3) The week hasn't ended, so a judgment call can not clearly be made about the players until they have no more potential games for the week regardless of whether it is currently fair or not.
I'm not saying that all of these aren't fair. Some are or could be, but they are few and far between.
Trades need to be fair for EVERYONE. They have to be fair to the person giving up the player to get a new player. They have to be fair to the person who already had that new player on his team. And they have to be fair to people who didn't have an option to make the trade.
Examples of what makes me happy:
On February 01 2009 08:30 Ideas wrote:help me get rid of Sea plzz (or Hwasin)
This is what I ask for. If there is a player you don't want. Let me know and you can get rid of that player. You don't get to hand pick his replacement.
Regardless of what happens in the week, I know that Ideas wants to trade away Sea or Hwasin for someone else. When I know that, I can look through every player and see which ones make the most sense to be traded for the players he didn't want. I can then put them up for trades and then Ideas will have to make a decision to make the trade or not. If he is really unhappy with those player he will be more likely to take the trade, but someone who is confident in Sea or Hwasin eventually turning it on at some point will likely not make the trade.
There will be pros and cons to every trade. Never just pros or just cons.
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lol Lomo <<<>>> Hiya hahahahha
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Someone, take Calm away from my team >_>
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eventually, don't you think this fantasy proleague thing is going to get too big to do things based on individual request? Maybe you should just write a program that matches players of roughly equal value, as determined by cost and/or points scored and pick a few of those each time.
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With winners league the way it is I wouldn't trade for Hiya....you simply don't know which player is going to be hot and more importantly...which players will actually play.
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I'd like a way to get Calm and Skyhigh off my team maybe 
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Help me get rid of Kal and STX please >.<
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I'd like to trade by.hero. Fuck, I wouldn't mind just giving him away actually.
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On February 01 2009 09:19 talismania wrote:
eventually, don't you think this fantasy proleague thing is going to get too big to do things based on individual request? Maybe you should just write a program that matches players of roughly equal value, as determined by cost and/or points scored and pick a few of those each time.
Yes... eventually this will/may be the case. Currently e don not have such a written program and it is still manageable enough to look at requests.
I figured I will take requests and if I can't look at or address them I won't if it gets to be too many. Currently it's not too much to bear. But requesting doesn't hurt.
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get rid of PUSAN for another toss (he's my only toss >.<) <-stupid thing turned into a face XD
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I want to get rid of FBH.
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On February 01 2009 14:17 onihunter wrote:
I want to get rid of FBH.
Same here :[ I knew I should have chosen July over FBH.
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I feel like I should want to get rid of fOrGG and July but I can't help thinking they'll still do well later in the season.
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On February 01 2009 14:17 onihunter wrote:
I want to get rid of FBH.
you're fast.
did you just see him get raped by shine?
i want to get rid of fbh as well.
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On February 01 2009 08:30 Ideas wrote:help me get rid of Sea plzz (or Hwasin)
I still have some kind of faith in Sea, but for Hwasin I whole-heartedly agree
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Trade Oov pls =P
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I would like to request for skyhigh to be up for trade ><
(I think its going to fuck me in the ass though)
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GET RID OF BACKHO HE'S USELESS ;______;
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On February 01 2009 17:05 BanZu wrote:
GET RID OF BACKHO HE'S USELESS ;______;
he got me more points than fbh did
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if you have a "useless" player on your team, its pretty much guaranteed that the trade which is offered will be for a player who is equally useless. don't get your hopes up -_-
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On February 01 2009 17:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
if you have a "useless" player on your team, its pretty much guaranteed that the trade which is offered will be for a player who is equally useless. don't get your hopes up -_-
well he probably means a player that at least has a chance to play, therefore possibility of winning more points than just team wins.
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On February 01 2009 16:18 amorpheus wrote:I still have some kind of faith in Sea, but for Hwasin I whole-heartedly agree
Hwasin has only lost/played 1 game so far actually, sea is 1 for 4* :O
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On February 01 2009 17:18 Hot_Bid wrote:
if you have a "useless" player on your team, its pretty much guaranteed that the trade which is offered will be for a player who is equally useless. don't get your hopes up -_-
If you were talking about BackHo's trade.....
I don't think so...
Because BackHo is useless only cause of his injury
His skill is probably equal to Stork man
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Will there be some trades in this week?
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I would like to trade away either iloveoov or NaDa on my team....... I realized we can also see the offers before making final decisions... so if the offers isn't as great nor something I want, I can refuse it and keep the ones I wanted to trade back into my team right??? But yea, iloveoov or NaDa would be good.... I was also thinking of BoxeR BUT HE'S THE EMPEROR, I WILL NEVER TRADE HIM!!!!! (Plus he's my captain so.... untradeable.. in case I decided to doubt myself and go crazy and try to trade him away )
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On February 03 2009 04:17 QuickStriker wrote:
I realized we can also see the offers before making final decisions... so if the offers isn't as great nor something I want, I can refuse it and keep the ones I wanted to trade back into my team right???
Yeah SemiOldGuy will post a list of possible trades and then if you want to make any of them you have to pm him.
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trade Calm and Kal please, who knew stx would fail so bad?
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On February 03 2009 04:42 caelym wrote:trade Calm and Kal please, who knew stx would fail so bad?
Why would you want to trade away these players...T_T
Kal and Calm are good players and just because they have lost several of their last few games doesn't mean they auto-suck forever.... In fact they're likely to come out of their slumps fairly quickly because they are established players.....
Anything you'd get from would trading away Calm and Kal wouldn't be worth as much as what you are trading away....
Seriously people
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samsung > skt1, CJ or something ><
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I will be happy to trade magma for any ace player atm
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On February 01 2009 15:24 imperfect wrote:you're fast. did you just see him get raped by shine? i want to get rid of fbh as well.
That, plus he's been sucking in general as of late.
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Would be nice if BoxeR gets traded. He barely plays@ SKT1 lineup and is in a pretty bad shape.
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i hope anyone who put boxer on their lineup did it out of pure fanboyism and didnt hope he'd actually come through with points lol
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On February 03 2009 06:07 Bond(i2) wrote:
i hope anyone who put boxer on their lineup did it out of pure fanboyism and didnt hope he'd actually come through with points lol
I placed him in expecting some team pt. wins (chose SKT for my team too) so he's not doing bad at all for my FPL.
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Please put up Pusan,
guy hasnt done shit =(
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I'd like to trade Calm & RuBy but I doubt I'd get a trade worth taking
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I would like to trade Pusan.
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I'd like to trade Kal for other protoss player
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would be nice to get rid of guemchi
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Samsung for Ace would be a pretty interesting trade imo
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i suggest OGN trade for any team
i thought since leta was overpriced i could just cash off his team..... WRONG
edit: pusan would also b nice to trade away
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I think a midas trade would be kinda nice since he's off the A-Team =/.
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Last chance until next week to let me know who you don't want on your teams anymore. I'll be putting most of the trades together tomorrow sometime.
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On February 04 2009 17:36 semioldguy wrote:
Last chance until next week to let me know who you don't want on your teams anymore. I'll be putting most of the trades together tomorrow sometime.
More or less the entire lineups of Samsung and STX have been disappointing. I'm sure many people have some of those on their teams and want to get rid of them.
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I would like to trade by.hero for another 1 point player if possible.
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I would love to trade GGPlay for someone else like fantasy or really
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I AM DISAPPOINTED IN MY STAR PICKS, FORGG, SEA, JULY AND JANGBI
I still love my Luxury and Frosted Flakes though.
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best
best for Iris/movie/somethin`
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On February 04 2009 18:46 GTR-2-Go wrote:
I AM DISAPPOINTED IN MY STAR PICKS, FORGG, SEA, JULY AND JANGBI
I still love my Luxury and Frosted Flakes though.
July and Jangbi both did well in their last WL matches. I wouldn't want to trade either of them right now. I have them both too.
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Players that I'm interested in trading away:
Stork (Cost 6, Earned 5)
by.hero (Cost 1, Earned 1)
KTF (Cost 0, Earned 7)
Players that I'm interested in picking up:
Iris (Cost 2, Earned 12)
sAviOr (Cost 2, Earned 10)
JulyZerg (Cost 6, Earned 6)
Kal (Cost 5, Earned 1)
NaDa (Cost 3, Earned 5)
Jaedong (Cost 10, Earned 13)
CJ Entus (Cost 4, Earned 12)
I realized that it'd be much more fun to have people I like on my team. Too bad I can't trade Flash away, I would gladly do so for even Kal. I'm sure a lot of my requests such as Jaedong and CJ Entus are impossible, but just putting it out there.
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I'd like to get rid of Much and go.go, please consider .
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You people are expecting to get saved by these trades......
If anything they will only make your situation worse
(unless of course its a awesome trade like Fantasy for Leta) *cough intrigue cough*
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Pure >>>> Hwasin
Pure >>>> SangHo
Pure >>>> RorO
just get rid of Pure.
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On February 04 2009 18:46 GTR-2-Go wrote:
I AM DISAPPOINTED IN MY STAR PICKS, FORGG, SEA, JULY AND JANGBI
I still love my Luxury and Frosted Flakes though.
Jangbi aint performing bad and will probably get better and better
but Sea ...
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2) Horang2 – 1 >>>> (1) Tester – 0 or (1) Stats – 2
Lol... From a gamble to an even harder gamble? :D
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ehh these potential trades are a little to generous for my tastes
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On February 05 2009 16:50 Velr wrote:
2) Horang2 – 1 >>>> (1) Tester – 0 or (1) Stats – 2
Lol... From a gamble to an even harder gamble? :D
What do you expect? From a gamble to a sure thing?
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oh, I thought people were joking around with the joke trades on the first page >_>
I wouldnt be 7th if i thought lomo <> hiya was fair -_-
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Zero cannot be traded, just bought? that sux
basicly non of my players/team is tradeable, what does that mean? I'm so good, or i'm the definition of picking not good enough and not bad enough players?
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I agree about the trades being too generous. But maybe that's because none of them favor me at all.
I think I'm mostly annoyed at Best -> Free and Skyhigh -> Iris.
Skyhigh takes out the only player (if he makes the trade) that hasn't worked out for the first place team right now.
But this is just my first fantasy thingy, so maybe I'm just overreacting a bit. Maybe it's normal for your first time. I hear Jaedong -> Yarnc wasn't a good idea before, or something like that.
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What's a featured trade ? :/
I'm supprised Anytime is so available...
It's not like he's going to stop being played
(kind of same thing for Free)
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I think I`m gonna trade BeSt for Free...best seems weak right now :s
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On February 05 2009 17:12 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 16:50 Velr wrote:
2) Horang2 – 1 >>>> (1) Tester – 0 or (1) Stats – 2
Lol... From a gamble to an even harder gamble? :D What do you expect? From a gamble to a sure thing?
No, the trade in itself is fine... No arguing there.
But I would liked to have something like:
Trade a *gamble* for a *veteran that seems not to do as good as he should/could* (if there is such a guy right now). Still a gamble but trading rather unknown for unknown seems not very attractive.
I probably would not have taken such a trade myself but at least I would have thought about it a little  .
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These look advantageous for me. Except I have none of those players.
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On February 05 2009 18:18 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 17:12 semioldguy wrote:On February 05 2009 16:50 Velr wrote:
2) Horang2 – 1 >>>> (1) Tester – 0 or (1) Stats – 2
Lol... From a gamble to an even harder gamble? :D What do you expect? From a gamble to a sure thing? No, the trade in itself is fine... No arguing there. But I would liked to have something like: Trade a *gamble* for a *veteran that seems not to do as good as he should/could* (if there is such a guy right now). Still a gamble but trading rather unknown for unknown seems not very attractive.
A veteran that seems not to do as good as he should/could... you mean like Tester :p
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Stop complaining about the trades, id like to see a fantasy league with no trades at all. (LOL i realized im a complainer too).
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... Damn you ^^
*Goes facing the roomcorner and stays there in shame*
Just checked the Winnersleague players, theres really about none of the players i thought would have done that bad.. Thought about Much but CJ seems to bring too much points?
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Bogus for hwasin is tempting...
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no matter what, I won't change my team!
seriously, i could only trade FBH for Forgg from these posted above, but I believe our ceremony guy will actually start to win.
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On February 05 2009 18:32 Scorch wrote:These look advantageous for me. Except I have none of those players.
The idea is to make them look advantageous when they might not be. I'd be surprised if more than two of those turned out positive for people who make them, and wouldn't be surprised if only one did.
To those complaining... I think you'll see as the league is closer to it's end that these trades aren't as generous as you think they might be. The ONLY trade this week that I considered not putting up was the Skyhigh for Iris trade, but anyone who has Skyhigh and makes that trade will miss out on 9 of Iris' points and will have effectively spent 5 points to put Iris on their team instead of 2. The same cases can be made for most of these "favorable" trades.
Will the all the hot players stay hot? Or will the players projected to do well start to perform up to their standards after all?
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For anyone complaining that you don't have players on your team that can be traded... maybe you should request some that you wanted to trade for next week? I got almost every request up (the ones I didn't were Guemchi, Bisu, Boxer and one or two others)
Guemchi... if you picked him it was likely because of the week one lineups and he cost a single point. he has already out earned his cost and may continue to do well, there is no reason to trade him yet as he had almost no expectations to begin with.
Bisu.. Also performing well, and was expected to perform well. Why would you want to trade him away?
Boxer... cost you one point... it's not like you should have expected him to instantly be an all star again. If SKT wins three more games all season he will be worth his cost and he has already outscored most of the other players costing one or fewer points.
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Pusan >>>> Reach sounds like a very, very good deal. Although it might have been only a fluke that Reach has earned 5 points already, his chances of playing are infinitely higher than Pusan's.
Hwasin >>>> Bogus is tempting, but I wouldn't give up on Hwasin just yet.
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On February 05 2009 18:06 Beamo wrote:
What's a featured trade ? :/
Those are trades that specifically relate to this week's lineups... so they involve players or teams that are playing against each other.
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damn it, i cant trade away Pusan cuz i have Reach already. FMPL
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If Pusan continues to suck... which I'm thinking he will, he will likely show up again next week
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Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free).
Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair traid for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?)
Other trades were nice though.
Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu.
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Oh, did I have this wrong?
So if you trade a player for another player, you don't get their current total, you just get the points they get after the trade?
I thought it was just a straight up swap, current for current and beyond.
If it's not, I take back all my complaining.
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On February 05 2009 20:29 Scamp wrote:
Oh, did I have this wrong?
So if you trade a player for another player, you don't get their current total, you just get the points they get after the trade?
I thought it was just a straight up swap, current for current and beyond.
If it's not, I take back all my complaining.
Correct... you keep the points your player has earned and you don't get the ones already earned by the player you receive, only what they make in the future.
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Hmm was wondering shld i trade Sea for Hyvaa? Coz Hyvaa seems to be doing better lol
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fuck I can't trade at all TT
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Oh, man. It's right there in the trading rules in the first post. I feel like an idiot for missing that.
Looks like I'm going to have to do some research on ForGG, FBH, Horang2, Tester, and Stats.
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United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 20:20 Pioneer wrote:
Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free).
Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair trade for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?)
Other trades were nice though.
Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu.
I don't think you fully understand how this works.
Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better.
As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30.
Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team.
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On February 05 2009 20:47 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 20:20 Pioneer wrote:
Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free).
Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair trade for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?)
Other trades were nice though.
Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu. I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team.
Sorry my point logic was all skewed, I read what you wrote and reread what I wrote and realized it was off.
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Hm, EffOrt > Luxury seems great opportunity, and getting rid of sKyHigh for someone else, but risky... other trades are a really big gamble.
Again I'd like to request some kind of trade for Much for next week please.
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Oh man.. Should I trade EffOrt for luxury or should I not? It seems like Luxury is in a good shape while EffOrt did close to nothing in WL so far. But goddamit he cost me 7 points.. yeah I know it's sunk cost, but anyway.
Also.. the trade deadline is Feb 07 13:00 what's the time of eSTRO - CJ match where could EffOrt get some easy kills.. grrr
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On February 05 2009 20:47 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 20:20 Pioneer wrote:
Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free).
Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair trade for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?)
Other trades were nice though.
Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu. I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team.
well yeah I agree, but a trade that looks like: Free/Hiya >>> Best(or even Bisu) isn`t really a great opportunity. Even though you'd be at an advantage over people that chose Best...Free could earn another 40 points..while Best could earn just 10...it`s a risk.
However, a trade like: Free/Hiya <<<>>> Bisu is more awesome and it gives Bisu owners a chance to gamble
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I'd like to trade away Sea but can't have two Hwasins lol
And I dont trust hyvaa.
On February 05 2009 19:17 Mandalor wrote:
Hwasin >>>> Bogus is tempting, but I wouldn't give up on Hwasin just yet.
yeah, he has a decent chance of all-killing Ace
(2) (T)Lomo – 3 <<< >>> (1) (T)Hery – 2
I'd rather make this >>> only
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I usually respect all the trades but I couldn't agree with the
Canata <<<>>> Midas trade,
for one, Midas is not on the A-Team anymore, something that can't be predicted very well.
Why this causes problems? You will not ever want to trade Canata for a person on the B-Team. Or more generally, never want to trade an A-Team member for a B-Team member.
A suggestion is to send Midas a trade (one-way) with several other players (perhaps 3) of equal value, such as players who are sucking (sunny from ACE) or others. I would trade any A-Team player right now to get rid of Midas.
I am only expressing this view because I was looking forward to dropping Midas only to see the only option is Canata, whom I already have in my Fantasy Team T.T.
Perhaps it's my fault for picking Midas =/. Cheers, hopefully I can trade Midas next week =).
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isnt stats off the A team?
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FBH & ForGG. I have both.
*sigh* I knew that was going to happen.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On February 06 2009 01:26 noddyz wrote:
FBH & ForGG. I have both.
*sigh* I knew that was going to happen.
you should trade them both then
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United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 23:52 amorpheus wrote:I'd like to trade away Sea but can't have two Hwasins lol And I dont trust hyvaa. I'd rather make this >>> only
It's okay... no one actually has Hery to make the trade to Lomo anyway :p
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United States13896 Posts
Man I really want to trade Sea, but I just cannot see Hwasin or hyvaa outperforming him as the round goes on. I'll have to stand pat I guess.
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United States7488 Posts
On February 05 2009 23:46 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2009 20:47 semioldguy wrote:On February 05 2009 20:20 Pioneer wrote:
Leta scored 6 points for players that are getting more play time that scored 22 (HiyA) and 19 (Free).
Mind has already been proven to be a somewhat last resort to clean up if WeMade may lose and he's only scored 12 points for HiyA/Free and considering how Mind is very streaky and HiyA/Free have been relatively consistent for the past PL Season that's a incredibly unfair trade for HiyA and Free owners and the fact that Leta and Mind were 12 points or w/e doesn't matter in the actual season since they don't get those points back. (I think you added in how Leta and Mind were 12 for 2 6 pointers - Hiya and Free when making your decision?)
Other trades were nice though.
Just saying I think it'd be more fair for say Free >>>><<< HiyA or Free/HiyA >>><<< Bisu. I don't think you fully understand how this works. Are you aware that when Mind is traded for Hiya that you don't get the 22 points that Hiya has earned so far? You keep what Mind has earned up to that point and only earn Hiya's points he makes in week three and beyond. I don't see how this is unfair to Hiya or Free owners, perhaps you could explain this better. As far as the 12 pointer for a 6 pointer.... your argument that they don't get those points back works in favor of my side of your argument, not yours. They don't get the points back later, so when hey give up someone that cost them 10 or 12 points for one that costs 6, they essentially wasted 4-6 points, meaning they made their team out of 24 points when everyone else had 30. Free <<>> Hiya would probably be a fair trade, though I'd say that Free/Hiya >> Bisu is not at all a fair trade for people who own Bisu. It basically puts people who chose Free/Hiya permanently ahead of anyone who chose Bisu, because Free/Hiya both cost less points to be put on a team and both have earned more points than Bisu so far. If i had free and gave him up for Bisu it'd basically be like getting a better version of Bisu on my team, since he comes with +4 points and cost 4 less points to put on my team allowing me to have more points to spend on other players back when I created my team. well yeah I agree, but a trade that looks like: Free/Hiya >>> Best(or even Bisu) isn`t really a great opportunity. Even though you'd be at an advantage over people that chose Best...Free could earn another 40 points..while Best could earn just 10...it`s a risk. However, a trade like: Free/Hiya <<<>>> Bisu is more awesome and it gives Bisu owners a chance to gamble
There are two things I have wrong with this. (1) I still don't see how the trade is fair to people who own Bisu/Best. Saying that it is a risk doesn't make it automatically fair. By that logic ANY trade could be argued as "fair" and that's just ridiculous If I owned Bisu and saw that trade I would feel ripped off. (There is actually a trade or two that I did include that I feel that way about after I've thought about them some more) (2) Bisu is doing well. I'm disinclined to include players to be traded off who are doing well. Less people are looking to trade off a successful player and to add them into trade to allow their owners "a gamble" is largely helping the teams that are already doing well while ignoring many teams that aren't.
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United States7488 Posts
Midas and Stats are mistakes on my part as I hadn't seen the roster changes from a couple days ago. So I apologize for those, but I am aware of it now and the same mistake won't be made next week.
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Braavos36375 Posts
i agree with your trades semi!!!
i think the less trades that seem obviously beneficial to the owner who is trading away a player, the better. we pick and live with the decisions we make before the 7 week season, and those decisions should largely guide the value of our team. owners should not be able to trade away their entire team and still do really well, this would mean there's a huge flaw in how we do things. while a trade or two can improve your team, it should still rely on the baseline picks you made before week 1.
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Darn, I have none of the guys that have my players to trade and there are 2 I'm considering of trading away IN WHICH I POSTED IN AN EARLIER TIME BEFORE THE LIST OF TRADES..... Basically I want to trade away iloveoov and NaDa but I guess..... it didn't happen...
Or maybe... it was those 2 "mentioned" others that you didn't wanted to put up for trades along with BoxeR and Bisu??? Is that right semi????
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United States7488 Posts
Thanks Hot_Bid... though it's funny. Of the couple trades I think actually might be problems, those are the ones people aren't mentioning.
@QuickStriker
iloveoov was a conscious decision to not be included in any trade. He cost two points, has already earned his worth, and his value is very much deflated after what could have been his only appearance in Winners League. By the end of the league he is guaranteed to be worth more than his cost (unless SKT doesn't win any of it's last 7 matches). The same is true of anyone wanting to trade Guemchi. That doesn't mean these players won't be in trades, it's just very unlikely.
Nada was indeed one of the others. I did have him in a trade at first, and fiddled with it a couple times, but wasn't happy with it in the end and just removed it. Part of it is because of the same reason Bisu and Boxer were skipped. Nada is on pace to score more than he is worth, of course that has been help thus far by WeMade's 3-0 record, but at 5 points he is not doing poorly at all relative to his cost and other players who cost the same amount as him or less.
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yeah i'd just like to add that a lot of thought goes into these trades, more than you probably expect. it's to ensure that all the trades are fair. semi won't compromise the league by putting up questionable ones. he also goes in with the mindset that he won't make any trades on his own team, so it's not imbalanced toward any specific users.
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On February 06 2009 02:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
yeah i'd just like to add that a lot of thought goes into these trades, more than you probably expect. it's to ensure that all the trades are fair. semi won't compromise the league by putting up questionable ones. he also goes in with the mindset that he won't make any trades on his own team, so it's not imbalanced toward any specific users.
yeah...it seems that we're not counting that. It`s harder to make those trades than complaining about them
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I'm sad that no trades were offered for Magma. A lot of us seemed to want to get rid of him.
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United States7488 Posts
Probably next week for Magma. I can't do every player every week, that'd end up being silly. Expect Zerg players to get a lot more attention in trades next week as I somewhat unintentionally left that race unrepresented in trading opportunities this week.
edit: by the way... I appreciate any criticism, even if I don't agree with it. It's useful to know what people think I am doing wrong/right. After all I'm only one person, and even though I might be a really awesome one person, everyone else's feedback is still beneficial.
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On February 06 2009 04:29 semioldguy wrote:
Probably next week for Magma. I can't do every player every week, that'd end up being silly. Expect Zerg players to get a lot more attention in trades next week as I somewhat unintentionally left that race unrepresented in trading opportunities this week.
edit: by the way... I appreciate any criticism, even if I don't agree with it. It's useful to know what people think I am doing wrong/right. After all I'm only one person, and even though I might be a really awesome one person, everyone else's feedback is still beneficial.
hahaha, I love it when the staff aren`t serious all the time...that would be boring
anyway, yeah, trades are pretty hard to make, and I`m happy that iloveoov, and guemchi weren`t tradeable. Lookin` forward to by.hero...even though I probably won`t trade him coz I still have faith in him.
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My team is mostly Zerg players, so I didn't really get an opportunity to trade this week (except for any team > ACE ).
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hmm after fbh's suckiness in recent wl games and msl
fbh>>>forgg
hmm i dont know if i should take the skyhigh >> iris or roro trade hmmm
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Just curious, who traded skyhigh for iris?
Poll: Skyhigh for Iris?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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United States7488 Posts
Nine people so far have taken Skyhigh >>> Iris. It isn't even the most popular trade to be taken.
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United States12546 Posts
Effort ----> Luxury is a no-brainer.
Leta ----> Hiya is very interesting haha.
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oh man rofl I PMed SOG to trade sea for hyvaa, but forgot that i made the worst mistake ever of my life by making him my captain. FUCK
sry SOG i forgot lol
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well, before i suggested a trade, just wanted to say thanks semioldguy. this whole fantasy thing is really fun and surprisingly well organized
how about horang2 for great or odin? horang2 still has potential but hasn't got much playtime, while great and odin have little potential but are getting more playing time. plus, since both great and odin are on samsungLOSERkahn they don't get a lot of +1 win points either. so i think it's fair ^_^
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I traded Skyhigh >>> Iris, but it hasn't taken effect yet.
As for other trades, I'd like to get rid of maGma/by.hero if possible.
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i'll trade you horang2 for hero
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im sorry but how do i make trades? PM semioldguy or is there a link?
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On February 07 2009 06:33 imperfect wrote:
im sorry but how do i make trades? PM semioldguy or is there a link?
It's highlighted in red text in the op; pm semioldguy.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
I thought i would trade Kal for about anyone. But Movie and Shine probably won't make as many appearances and wont get more wins, Movie did good but... Gonna wait for another trade, please suck Movie don't make me feel bad about this opportunity
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On February 06 2009 16:19 Ideas wrote:
oh man rofl I PMed SOG to trade sea for hyvaa, but forgot that i made the worst mistake ever of my life by making him my captain. FUCK
sry SOG i forgot lol
Is Sea for Hyvaa really worth it?
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I would like to trade out BaBy. He is turning out to be useless as fuck.
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Is there a way to confirm that a trade has gone through? My team here still looks the same and the deadline is in an hour, so I'm confused as to whether or not my trade was processed.
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On February 06 2009 16:19 Ideas wrote:
oh man rofl I PMed SOG to trade sea for hyvaa, but forgot that i made the worst mistake ever of my life by making him my captain. FUCK
sry SOG i forgot lol
wow I ended up doing the same thing..made sea captain so now I can't trade him dammit
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dang that skyhigh >> iris trade is hella tempting.
Hopefully they stop sending out iris and give skyhigh a chance, so I don't feel bad about not trading skyhigh for iris ._.
SKYHIGH FOR ALL-KILL!!
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On February 07 2009 12:29 OmgIRok wrote:
dang that skyhigh >> iris trade is hella tempting.
Hopefully they stop sending out iris and give skyhigh a chance, so I don't feel bad about not trading skyhigh for iris ._.
SKYHIGH FOR ALL-KILL!!
It's the other way around for me. With Effort, Savior, and CJ's tendency to not want to start Skyhigh, I don't think CJ is going to send Skyhigh that much...much to my chagrin.
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On February 07 2009 14:19 Apex wrote:
It's the other way around for me. With Effort, Savior, and CJ's tendency to not want to start Skyhigh, I don't think CJ is going to send Skyhigh that much...much to my chagrin.
Unfortunately for me, they wont send Much all that much either, much to my chagrin.
Stupid movie, taking over as primary p of cj
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On February 07 2009 10:55 DoX.) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2009 16:19 Ideas wrote:
oh man rofl I PMed SOG to trade sea for hyvaa, but forgot that i made the worst mistake ever of my life by making him my captain. FUCK
sry SOG i forgot lol Is Sea for Hyvaa really worth it?
I would say yes just for the fact that I'm doing so bad right now and so many people have sea compared to hyvaa(like 50 to 1 or something). The only way I can up is by getting a player with very few owners and hoping they break out.
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Featured Trades:
(3) OGN – 4 >>>> (3) WeMade FOX – 8
glad that i didn't do this trade :D
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On February 07 2009 15:34 Too_MuchZerg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Featured Trades:
(3) OGN – 4 >>>> (3) WeMade FOX – 8
glad that i didn't do this trade :D
WTF spoiler
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I want to get rid of by.hero =(
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I want to get rid of tempest
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Plx let us trade by.hero. I thought he acctuly could get me some points, but he just sucks.
Anyone wants by.hero? I give him away XD
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United States17042 Posts
damn, I missed trading time for week two. Oh well, I suppose that there's always next week -_-;;
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Are you going to tell us how many of each trade happened?
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On February 07 2009 14:23 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Unfortunately for me, they wont send Much all that much either, much to my chagrin. Stupid movie, taking over as primary p of cj
Yeah, I took him to just to regret now, but until a nice trade offer comes he will maybe score some points. Much is burned atm, but was a solid player so maybe he will have appearances and some wins, so it's still better than some gamble terran ;P.
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On February 07 2009 15:11 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 10:55 DoX.) wrote:On February 06 2009 16:19 Ideas wrote:
oh man rofl I PMed SOG to trade sea for hyvaa, but forgot that i made the worst mistake ever of my life by making him my captain. FUCK
sry SOG i forgot lol Is Sea for Hyvaa really worth it? I would say yes just for the fact that I'm doing so bad right now and so many people have sea compared to hyvaa(like 50 to 1 or something). The only way I can up is by getting a player with very few owners and hoping they break out.
I still think Sea should start to play better.
btw how long is this Winners league thing?
Was it 7 weeks or?
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If you submitted the trade in-time, I'm pretty sure it went through. I think the main problem is that there are hundreds of teams and hundreds of users potentially making 1 or more trades. That's a lot of trades/PMs to sort through. Give semioldguy and the rest of the staff some time to update everything imo.
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For next week, I still want to trade away FBH and ForGG. But this time, not for each other please.
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On February 09 2009 19:37 JL13 wrote:If you submitted the trade in-time, I'm pretty sure it went through. I think the main problem is that there are hundreds of teams and hundreds of users potentially making 1 or more trades. That's a lot of trades/PMs to sort through. Give semioldguy and the rest of the staff some time to update everything imo.
If you sent the PM in time it will go through; semioldguy was away for the weekend so its taking some time to update things.
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I'd like to trade Saint. He isn't even getting playtime for MBC any more.
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i'd like to do the following trades:
anytime for Best
Horang2 for by.great
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I would like help getting rid of magma, I am only allowed to trade him for other zergs.
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Braavos36375 Posts
Everyone, stop requesting specific trades. They will never be what you request, and semi will most likely simply skip over your suggestions. "I'd like to trade Horang2 for Flash" is not an acceptable trade request.
As of now all trades should be updated in the rankings thread. Do not use the signup link to check your team because it will not reflect trades, only the Daily Rankings thread will be accurate. If your trade isn't there, either semi forgot it (not likely) or you submitted the trade too late.
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On February 10 2009 04:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Tazza >>>>> by.greator any trade where I can get rid of tazza.
"I'd like to trade Tazza".
On February 10 2009 05:44 d_so wrote:
i'd like to do the following trades:
anytime for Best
Horang2 for by.great
"I'd like to trade Anytime."
"I'd like to trade Horang2."
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It almost pains me to say this, but could you put up a trade for Boxer?
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I would like to trade Horang2
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I'd love to be able to get rid of tempest, for anyone really
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I'd like to be able to trade Really.
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I'd like to trade Horang2 and Kal.
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trade fOru for someone who plays yeep
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On February 11 2009 00:20 Kot wrote:trade fOru for someone who plays yeep
pretty sure this won't happen, foru not only sucks but also is behind several Ps on the ACE team, i doubt you will get a trade for someone any better.
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Once again, I would like to trade away NaDa if possible... I hope you reconsider it after his various appearances and performances..... as for my other players, i like them the way they are...
Maybe you could consider a trade option for SKT-T1 as well?? (for people who actually want to trade the team away... I myself would MOST LIKELY WON'T.... but still, who knows..)
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I'd like to trade firebathero.
HE'S SLUMPING, I CAN FEEL IT.
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On February 11 2009 03:16 Amarxist wrote:I'd like to trade firebathero. HE'S SLUMPING, I CAN FEEL IT.
well, he's 1-6 in 2009 so you can also see it
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Does your actual team on the page get updated when you trade or no?
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On February 11 2009 00:31 Itachii wrote:I'd like to trade July and DaezanG
I also have Daezang ...but I don`t have any expectations to trade him...I mean, for who ?! rage or fOru ?
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On February 11 2009 03:32 Divinek wrote:
Does your actual team on the page get updated when you trade or no?
No, you can check the roster list in the daily rankings page for updated rosters though.
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United States7488 Posts
Trades should be up after lineups are posted tomorrow night.
If you have requests and haven't made them yet, now would be an ideal time to do so. I've receieved quite a few requests for this week already, but keep them coming!
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a way to get rid of guemchi and/or tazza please
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Another trade for Kal please.
Movie just didn't cut it for me, and I couldn't trade away my only protoss for a zerg...
Kal is promising, just not as much as some other 5-pointers... (FREE).
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That's supposed to be more an inspiration than a request, I don't have most of these players:
Iris or Luxury >> Yarnc or Zero
July >> go.go
Notice <> ForGG
Reach <> Firebathero
Stork >> by.great
Kal >> Much
Boxer >> Piano
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I'm sure there won't be anyone better for him, since eSTRO won't even use him against his supposedly good matchup, but I'd like to trade Magma.
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the only dead weights on my team are horang2 and by.hero, but i dunno how likely it is for them to get a trade
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sent my request in, but spamming this thread anyway.
LET ME TRADE ToSsGirL!! PLEAAAAAASE
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I feel Julyzerg has been dissapointing (and STX in general) so far, so a way to trade him could be good.
Might not be fair though, but I'll leave all that up to you.
+ Show Spoiler +
(If I could trade Boxer for say, Fantasy, I would be delighted!!!!)
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you'd be delighted but it'd amount to the same thing as just arbitrarily giving all Boxer owners 20 points
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United States10328 Posts
pusan >> other protoss please??
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Could you consider giving Oov owners a chance to trade him?
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United States7488 Posts
Trades for Week 3Week 3 Trades close on February 14 at 13:00 TL TimeOne Way Trades:(?) Any Player - ? >>>> (8) Flash - 32 New Rule: No limit to number of Flash's on your team.
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I hope we aren't forced to trade our Flashes in for child labor arrests and jailtime in a few weeks. That would be some tricky shit.
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Will there be more trades? Or only the Flash trade?
lol
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On February 12 2009 06:36 Tonkerchen wrote:
Will there be more trades? Or only the Flash trade?
The FlaSh trade is just a joke. I think the actual trades will be posted tonight.
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On February 12 2009 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 06:36 Tonkerchen wrote:
Will there be more trades? Or only the Flash trade? The FlaSh trade is just a joke. I think the actual trades will be posted tonight.
Please. semioldguy never jokes.
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thank you for putting up Kal and fOrGG but still I can't make up my mind
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I can't make up my mind whether to trade away firebathero for notice/zero..
I know if firebathero wasn't slumping he would be a lot better, but.... T_T
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Good! I'm glad they are difficult decisions.
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oh god i hope my #1 buddy doesnt see the tempest >>> reach trade :D
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On February 13 2009 04:34 bumatlarge wrote:
oh god i hope my #1 buddy doesnt see the tempest >>> reach trade :D
=P I'd take minor offense to this if you hadn't already PM'ed me about it! rofl.
That's a VERY interesting trade, cheers to whoever thought of this one. (semioldguy?)
*ponders out loud*
Tempest is the better player in theory.
Tempest gets KTF winpoints.
Tempest has a low chance of being sent out.
Tempest has MSL to worry for at least 8 more days, more if he takes out Nada.
Tempest has only been sent out one time, and has lost.
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Reach is the worse player in theory.
Reach won't likely get as many winpoints.
Reach has a high chance of being sent out.
Reach (Airforce in general) is likely to get fed lesser opponents by quality teams.
Reach has been sent out a few times, and has done exceptionally well.
Reach is a manly hero to all men.
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Chalrenge fails at life, so I'm not even going to ponder this option, even though he plays this week.
Damn. This choice is more difficult than assembling my entire team was initially. I'm pleased. =)
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oh it's so difficult....
Best -> jangbi -> free
hmm...
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On February 13 2009 04:03 falls wrote:
I can't make up my mind whether to trade away firebathero for notice/zero..
I know if firebathero wasn't slumping he would be a lot better, but.... T_T
I went with the new guy, I like tossing my chips in with the newer players. GO Notice!
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See ya Magma. by.hero ain't playing much, but he seems to have a better chance of getting in than you do.
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theres no more joy for semioldguy the trademaker than seeing people agonize for days over tempest >>> reach lol. the difference will probably only be a few points, yet could decide #1.
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Fuck it, I'm sticking with Tempest. =)
I want me and my mirror to have different teams, despite the fact that I believe Reach will obtain more points than Tempest.
Here's to hoping KTF will stop sending out failzerg after failzerg, and Nada destroys Tempest in 8 days.. =P
I still love you, Reach.
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Yay, seeya magma! + Show Spoiler +He'll probably reverse all kill in estro's next match now that I've traded him.
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On February 13 2009 05:22 Hot_Bid wrote:theres no more joy for semioldguy the trademaker than seeing people agonize for days over tempest >>> reach lol. the difference will probably only be a few points, yet could decide #1.
LOL! this isn't far from the truth
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so is my trade confirmed? sorry first time doing this
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On February 13 2009 05:11 Amarxist wrote:I went with the new guy, I like tossing my chips in with the newer players. GO Notice!
I'm leaning more towards Zero, cause Zero is 2nd best player on Stars and will get a lot of playing time. Whereas Notice is on STX, with a resurging Hwasin, July, and Kal to compete with. However, I will spend a lot of time agonizing over this ><.
I hope you like this semioldguy, watching me suffering from indecision and agony...
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oh lord, i guess ill just stick with hero >.<
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On February 13 2009 05:55 d_so wrote:
so is my trade confirmed? sorry first time doing this
Yes, as soon as you PM it, it is confirmed. The trades will be reflected in the lineups shortly after the deadline passes.
On February 13 2009 05:59 falls wrote:
I hope you like this semioldguy, watching me suffering from indecision and agony...
Very much.
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if i could trade tempest for reach i'd do it.
~honest advice? or a competitor trying to fuck with your mind?~
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On February 13 2009 05:54 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2009 05:22 Hot_Bid wrote:theres no more joy for semioldguy the trademaker than seeing people agonize for days over tempest >>> reach lol. the difference will probably only be a few points, yet could decide #1. LOL! this isn't far from the truth
Haha, that is awesome.
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Pleeaaase let me get rid of BaBy...T_T
haha.
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I like how sunny's an option for a bunch of the trades that are on there right now. It's amazing what one game against Jaedong can make him seem to be.
Picking him or oo[sg] and losing Tossgirl is sad, but it must be done...
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I have the mantoss on my team now, losing is not an option.
Edit: Not to mention that I must let my fanboy heart guide me
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On February 13 2009 14:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I have the mantoss on my team now, losing is not an option.
Edit: Not to mention that I must let my fanboy heart guide me
Ditdo, First rule of Fantasy league ---- fanboy FTW !!!!
Second rule of Fantasy league -- pick flash.
Third rules of Fantasy league -- Leave Britney Alone!!!!
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Should have traded Pusan for Reach last week...
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I would definitely trade tempest for reach if I had him
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On February 13 2009 15:08 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2009 14:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I have the mantoss on my team now, losing is not an option.
Edit: Not to mention that I must let my fanboy heart guide me Ditdo, First rule of Fantasy league ---- fanboy FTW !!!! Second rule of Fantasy league -- pick flash. Third rules of Fantasy league -- Leave Britney Alone!!!!
You forgot that the first rule is do not talk about....
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I have officially let go of Firebathero and taken up ZerO.
If Firebathero starts winning now, I'm gonna kill something/someone...
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I'm going the other way, I'm sticking with FBH.
Although I really can't explain why.
At least he gets a point for all the great players around him.
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I want to get rid of Tazza/Ruby plz T_T
Any offers for next week?
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Just under six hours left to agonize!
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i already sent my trade in. All that's left is to hope Tossgirl isn't somehow still on the fucking A-Team. If she is... then fffffffffffffffffffffff.
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I missed the trades, but it doesn`t matter coz I don`t have any of the players that are tradeable D:
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I still don't see Notice in my team, even tho i traded him in time ;o
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On February 03 2009 22:39 IdrA wrote:
would be nice to get rid of guemchi
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FUCK I MISSED THE FBH >>> NOTICE TRADE
FUCK
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On February 12 2009 05:37 semioldguy wrote: <b><font size="3"> Trades for Week 3</b></font> Week 3 Trades close on February 14 at 13:00 TL TimeOne Way Trades:(?) Any Player - ? >>>> (8) Flash - 32 New Rule: No limit to number of Flash's on your team.
Noooooooooooooo, I missed the fucking Flash trade notice!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... I wanted to trade ALL MY PLAYERS FOR FREAKING FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!! why?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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On February 13 2009 18:36 Scamp wrote:
I'm going the other way, I'm sticking with FBH.
Although I really can't explain why.
At least he gets a point for all the great players around him.
like hades and frozean?
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On February 15 2009 18:09 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 05:37 semioldguy wrote: <b><font size="3"> Trades for Week 3</b></font> Week 3 Trades close on February 14 at 13:00 TL TimeOne Way Trades:(?) Any Player - ? >>>> (8) Flash - 32 New Rule: No limit to number of Flash's on your team. Noooooooooooooo, I missed the fucking Flash trade notice!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... I wanted to trade ALL MY PLAYERS FOR FREAKING FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!! why?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
you should stop posting
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On February 15 2009 20:58 WingSandrockX wrote:
Should have a Bisu >> << Best >> << Jaedong trade to mind fuck with everyone LOL
add Leta in there too, just to spice it up even more LOL
no, even if u were kiddin`...no
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How about let us trade Tazza?
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Let me trade Oversky... god that guy is sucking for ACE so bad
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I really really really really really really really really really want to get rid of Tazza.
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I want to get rid of RuBy
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Yet another request for Much .
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pusan >> someone
by.hero >> (someone not hyvaa)
please?
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On February 19 2009 04:35 ]343[ wrote:
pusan >> someone
by.hero >> (someone not hyvaa)
please?
hehe this is like saying, i'd like to trade casy for someone NOT Flash
in other words, i don't think you have to worry about semi putting up a by.hero >>> hyvaa trade
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please put an option to trade Tazza?
He's worthless.
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I need to get rid of Stork. Please offer something interesting for him.
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July,UpMagiC, DaezanG please.... yeah my team sux ;_;
but it didn't on paper, at least before WL has started !
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If only I had taken ForGG >>> hyvaa last week, stupid me! Will there be an occasion for trading away ForGG again this week?
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Man, I wish I hadn't missed the trade window last week. I would have gladly traded away Shine[kaL] or by.hero. I'll take literally any trade involving these players, even either of them for MuMyung.
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Next week will be the last week for trades
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This trade between the twins really has me puzzled... one is 7-3 while the other is 7-4...
Interesting.
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On February 19 2009 15:57 Carefree Me wrote:
This trade between the twins really has me puzzled... one is 7-3 while the other is 7-4...
Interesting.
Man i feel you, and they both let great terrans clean up their messes -_-
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Heh I bet much goes on a huge winning streak now that I have traded him. I fail so epically.
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hopefully there is another trade for GGplay
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Damn I can't trade Tazza because he's my only protoss T.T
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(1) (P)Tazza - 3 or (2) (P)Horang2 - 3 >>>> (0) (Z)YellOw - 1 or (1) (Z)Child - 3
LOL
Which one will win in this EPIC CLASH on saturday?
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really tempting to trade horang2 for yellow, but i'll stick with him i think T_T
COME ON OGN COACHES USE HIM
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On February 19 2009 15:57 Carefree Me wrote:
This trade between the twins really has me puzzled... one is 7-3 while the other is 7-4...
Interesting.
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On February 20 2009 04:35 semioldguy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 15:57 Carefree Me wrote:
This trade between the twins really has me puzzled... one is 7-3 while the other is 7-4...
Interesting.
Hahaha.
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The stork >>> kal trade looks good but stx only gets to play 1 game next week
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Games remaining:
Air Force ACE 4
CJ Entus 4
eSTRO 4
Hwaseung Oz 4
KTF MagicNs 4
MBCGame HERO 5
OnGameNet SPARKYZ 4
Samsung KHAN 5
SK Telecom T1 5
STX SouL 4
WeMade FOX 4
Woongjin Stars 5
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Based on that, trades that look like a must have are:
UpMagiC or July >>>> ZerO
Mind >>>> Light
FireFist >>>> PianO
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wow i cant trade anyone this time O_O i mean i could trade july for keke but come on? noone is that crazy
future i would like to trade
july for someone with some talent ^_^ (i didnt choose the best team for i have 3 STX players leaving me with july as dead weight seeing as someone else manages to do most of the work before hand)
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UpMagiC imo won't net as many points simply because he's used as a last resort. Sometimes, he doesn't even play the ace match for eSTRO. + Show Spoiler +Though that might change since he's out of both leagues now.
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Pardon me if it has been already said, but is there any way to know if a trade was made succesfuly?
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Assume it was done correctly and bitch if you don't see your change listed in the team listing.
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On February 22 2009 18:01 ondik wrote:
Pardon me if it has been already said, but is there any way to know if a trade was made succesfuly?
If you sent the PM in time it will get done (if not just let HotBid know).
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Yea, thanks, I checked it first in that fantasy wl signup page, because I thought it would be somehow automaticaly updated there, which isn't so I got little bit nervous, but it's updated in daily rankings thread, so everything is alright
wow, free for hyvaa or savior seems to be tempting.. but i better not betray aiur!
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Aw crap, I missed the firefist trade T T
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I really want to trade away by.hero and sangho.
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I don't suppose there's another chance to get the ForGG >>> hyvaa trade?
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On February 25 2009 09:08 semioldguy wrote:You forgot: Week 3 - July >>> hyvaa (which no one took)
I wanted to take that trade, but I was away that week
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Damn! i was gonna trade free for hyvaa, but then i wouldnt have any protoss... and there wasnt anything i could do since i couldnt get another protoss (i already traded horang2 for yellow).
It sucks that hwasin is doing so bad in WL and that by.hero never plays -__-, (not to mention that samsung khan sucked) And i though i was going to do good with my team lol
Are there going to be more trades available? There doesnt seems to be week 5 trades.
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On February 25 2009 09:08 semioldguy wrote:You forgot: Week 3 - July >>> hyvaa (which no one took)
Rostam / Flash / fOrGG / hyvaa (July, W3) / GuemChi / Yellow (Horang2, W4) / Anytime / OnGameNet Sparkyz
I beg to differ sir! Myself and Fzeroxx both took it (according to the rosters in the thread). I feel smart now. Except for that thing where I took Horang2. And I could have picked up Jaedong, KTF, and Free instead of fOrGG, OGN, and July. Alas..I thought Leta would do a lot better than this. I shouldn't have written Free off so quickly though..
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On February 25 2009 09:08 semioldguy wrote:
Instead people pay two points for someone like Horang2 who has never done anything in proleague, but was a new name people saw as he got out of the offlines and then did next to nothing.
I did know that Horang2 was untested but I liked his style in the games I saw him play. While I wouldn't have picked him if it wasn't for the individual leagues I figured it was a risk worth taking because of the lack of Protoss players on his team.
Didn't work out, though. I should have picked Savior.
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Please, another option for trading Stork. Last week's trade I could not do (because I also have Kal on my team).
I want Stork off my team so badly...
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Games remaining
Air Force ACE 2
CJ Entus 2
eSTRO 3
Hwaseung Oz 3
KTF MagicNs 2
MBCGame HERO 3
OnGameNet SPARKYZ 2
Samsung KHAN 3
SK Telecom T1 3
STX SouL 3
WeMade FOX 3
Woongjin Stars 3
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On February 25 2009 10:45 Onisparda wrote:
Are there going to be more trades available? There doesnt seems to be week 5 trades.
Yes. There will be trades. They will go up hopefully not too much after lineups are posted later today.
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Hm...I'm aware trades are meant to be tough, but if anyone actually trades Zero away for Piano or Hiya for ggaemo...
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On February 26 2009 20:53 semioldguy wrote:(1) Kwanro - 16 <<< >>> (5) sKyHigh - 15
oh god what do i do
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On February 26 2009 21:05 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:oh god what do i do
Please refer to the second to last post on page 15 of this thread.
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Also, as mentioned last week, this will be the last week of trades for Winners Proleague.
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Flash for Luxury is the only trade I have a choice in... If KTF actually starts not using Flash AFTER what's happened and Luxury gets all the points, I'll be super pissed. Keeping Flash cus... yeah. I wish Horang2 had a better trade last week =\
srsly someoen take the piano trade. He's gonna all kill again next week, just watch.
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Why do I get the feeling that some of those trades were really just taunts in disguise?
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ah fuck i PMed my trade too late.
FUCK
didnt even realize the trades were up till it was too late
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