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On February 13 2011 06:11 IntoTheheart wrote:
FanTaSy vs. Stork in 2008 and 2011...
Isn't that just the heir of the BoxeR lineage vs. the heir of the yellOw lineage..? Stork's no Nal_rA... but I would love to see him get the Silver Badge...
BoxeR hand-picked oov for a reason, and I guess that this was it. oov's simply the deepest-impacting Terran in history. Just like Shark for Zerg and... uh. Don't know any Protoss equivalents really. Maybe rA.
Part of what makes oov so great is that there is no one that comes close to his accomplishments both as a player and a coach.
But if we were to look for counterparts:
KIMDONGWOO is a good choice for zerg (although he did nothing as a player in comparison). Far protoss the outlook is even worse. I guess Kingdom. He at least won one title, and mentored two of the dragons (even if it was for only a little while).
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On February 13 2011 06:11 IntoTheheart wrote:
FanTaSy vs. Stork in 2008 and 2011...
Isn't that just the heir of the BoxeR lineage vs. the heir of the yellOw lineage..? Stork's no Nal_rA... but I would love to see him get the Silver Badge...
BoxeR hand-picked oov for a reason, and I guess that this was it. oov's simply the deepest-impacting Terran in history. Just like Shark for Zerg and... uh. Don't know any Protoss equivalents really. Maybe rA.
Stork never passed under Yellow's tutelage, so although he is a part of the Kong line, I wouldn't call him Yellow's heir.
And I love Ra, but Stork has impressed me to that level. Stork is the only top player of today to have bridged the generational gap. That is, he was a top player even before Savior became bonjwa. Surviving and remaining a top player across generations is really hard to do in a game that changes this much for a number of reasons.
But I'm glad Fantasy won. He deserved a gold medal to his name and now he's got one.
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``Stork is the only top player of today to have bridged the generational gap.``
I would say JulyZerg and NaDa have by the same token as well.
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Savior has influenced Zerg more than oov has Terran. oov has innovated much more than anyone yes, but the presence of Boxer/Nada/Midas/Flash have diluted the impact of oov's creations. Terran would still be awesome even without oov. With oov they are utter monsters. However, for Zerg, Savior completely changed everything.
Pre-Savior titles (2000-2005): P: 8 T: 17 Z: 3 3/28 (11%)
Savior and Beyond (2005-Present): P: 4 T: 6 Z: 15 15/25 (60%)
This is not 100% updated but I don't know when I did it and don't want to relook at everything. Suffice to say if you add a few more T titles and 1 or 2 more Z titles it still looks absurd.
Protoss hasn't really had any players of their caliber: the closest are Kingdom rA Reach and Stork but none are anywhere remotely comparable in ability or impact. I feel like the lack of such a dominant thinker has severely crippled Protoss evolution their entire history and is why they are so underrepresented title wise.
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Not all of that is due to Saviour, of course. You think July and Jaedong didn't have some responsibility for that?
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On February 13 2011 16:32 nodule wrote:
Not all of that is due to Saviour, of course. You think July and Jaedong didn't have some responsibility for that?
Jaedong is a post-savior zerg who was undoubtedly influenced by him, especially his ZvT. His point was how savior innovated the game to bring Zerg, the most disenfranchised race, to the most dominant race afterwards.
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July's major achievements were counted in the first phase. He and Gorush did great and everyone else still sucked. It was only after Savior that Zergs actually had some idea of what they are doing.
Savior changed how Zergs thought about the game and approached matchups, particularly ZvT. It's no coincidence that all these one-shot wonder Zergs started winning titles after him and none before him.
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Re-read this article after seeing the new one about savior... best two posts on all of teamliquid.
also a bump for all the newbies who never saw this
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needs another bump in light of recent announcement of his retirement. truly one of, of not the greatest (considering his influence as a coach), force in brood war of all time.
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Awesome Article, I agree Oov doesn't get enough credit sometimes. Probably one of my fave players of all time
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Oov gets more credit than any other player for developing broodwar.
And he deserves every bit of it.
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Oov, one of the best.
You will be missed.
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We better bump the FE too.
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oov was always my favorite player since watching him stomp yellow 3-0 in his first MSL (while wearing that white glove)
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Long Live the cheater Terran
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When I got to the end .. I couldn't stop smiling at the brilliance of someone I never knew. The longer I'm on TL the longer I wish I hadn't moved on to CS. I wish I had stayed with bw. I would have known some of you but I would have seen the history that I watch SC2 matches built upon.
I would have been there.
I can't turn back time but reading this..
I still have that smile on my face.
I don't know what SilverSkyLark is referring to but I hope someone bumps it. This has been educational and I feel .. a little less like a scrub writing a post in a forum I don't feel like I belong in!
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On August 03 2011 15:00 Probe1 wrote:
When I got to the end .. I couldn't stop smiling at the brilliance of someone I never knew. The longer I'm on TL the longer I wish I hadn't moved on to CS. I wish I had stayed with bw. I would have known some of you but I would have seen the history that I watch SC2 matches built upon.
I would have been there.
I can't turn back time but reading this..
I still have that smile on my face.
I don't know what SilverSkyLark is referring to but I hope someone bumps it. This has been educational and I feel .. a little less like a scrub writing a post in a forum I don't feel like I belong in!
I Loved Victory pt1.
I Loved Victory pt2.
apparently bumping posts from the Final Edits does not do make it showup anywhere in the sidebar..
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At least one new person read them. Thank you 
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There's only one thing to say, I love Iloveoov.
I hope he will show his usual brilliance for PL Finals.
On August 03 2011 15:38 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2011 15:00 Probe1 wrote:
When I got to the end .. I couldn't stop smiling at the brilliance of someone I never knew. The longer I'm on TL the longer I wish I hadn't moved on to CS. I wish I had stayed with bw. I would have known some of you but I would have seen the history that I watch SC2 matches built upon.
I would have been there.
I can't turn back time but reading this..
I still have that smile on my face.
I don't know what SilverSkyLark is referring to but I hope someone bumps it. This has been educational and I feel .. a little less like a scrub writing a post in a forum I don't feel like I belong in! I Loved Victory pt1.I Loved Victory pt2.apparently bumping posts from the Final Edits does not do make it showup anywhere in the sidebar..
Which is normal because the final edit section in the side bar is not the final edit forums. It's the whole final edit portal.
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