EPTOn November 06 2009 18:17 motbob wrote:
This thread got 18 pages. The ZvP is imbalanced thread got 42 pages. it's obvious who complains more
This thread got 18 pages. The ZvP is imbalanced thread got 42 pages. it's obvious who complains more
Protoss imbalance has gone TOO FAR. - Page 20
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
Not to mention cracklings that can take down a nexus in 4 seconds if you place one dark swarm over it. At low level protoss can be a pain sometimes, but it is not the game, it is the players. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
Player skill is the main determinant of the result of the game. Not race differences. Sure Cracklings may be a problem, or Stacked Corshair.... but wins/losses are results of player skill. | ||
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Pritler
Bulgaria23 Posts
~Chill has attractive voice | ||
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GoAudio
Sweden400 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
Too_MuchZerg February 14, 2008 03:51 Thread: ! [G] Modern Zerg Strategy I did watch a lot of your ZvP replays (iccup replay package thread). I just wonder what is the reason why you upgrade ling attack first rather than hydra attack even if you pump a lot hydras (way more than lings)+ huge use of lurkers? Few games you lost (my opinion) because upgrading that but you didnt even use ling attack (seeing 0-2 hydras attacking protoss when 2-2 updgrades goes waste). Why not go 3 evo chambers, even 2-1-2 is better than 2-0-2 i think (or 1-1-2). Plz no "preparing for ultralisk" answer (2-0-2 I understand if army is ling/lurker but its not usually) One of my first posts asking about +1 hydra attack and why its not used. I got instantly denied but I got my revenge lol. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12815 Posts
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
While it's obvious that a critical mass of corsair can't be taken down by scourge, i fail to see the problem as a hydra ground army will overwhelm both them, and the protoss ground army seeing how the protoss invested in all those corsair. If anything is easier (on iCCup) in that matchup it's zerg. Zerg have one of the most powerful and easy-win strategies of all races, all-in hydra or mass zerglings early one. Those are some of the easiest strategies to execute and will often on both D and D+ result in a win (I have a noob friend who made C- by all-in ling cheese only!). And saying that a larger ultraling army won't take a smaller protoss ground force is just pure ignorance, the hardest thing for me currently to deal with is the ultraling fast tech. I've failed many times to overwhelm a zerg, seeing as they play extremely safe with lurkers and sunks on 3 bases, teching directly to ultralisk. Taking a look at the replay, they have 3000 minerals and 3000 gas by the time they reach their tech, totally incapable of keeping up their macro, but once they reach ultralisk you can see their resources dropping to 100 without adding further hatcheries. Zerg is well known for being able to replace an entire army in an instant, so how can a supposedly C zerg argue that protoss can replace their entire army (of extremely expensive units) in no time? I call bullshit! | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On November 06 2009 21:36 MaD.pYrO wrote: Having played Zerg to D+ and Protoss to C- i must say this thread is incredibly ignorant. While it's obvious that a critical mass of corsair can't be taken down by scourge, i fail to see the problem as a hydra ground army will overwhelm both them, and the protoss ground army seeing how the protoss invested in all those corsair. If anything is easier (on iCCup) in that matchup it's zerg. Zerg have one of the most powerful and easy-win strategies of all races, all-in hydra or mass zerglings early one. Those are some of the easiest strategies to execute and will often on both D and D+ result in a win (I have a noob friend who made C- by all-in ling cheese only!). And saying that a larger ultraling army won't take a smaller protoss ground force is just pure ignorance, the hardest thing for me currently to deal with is the ultraling fast tech. I've failed many times to overwhelm a zerg, seeing as they play extremely safe with lurkers and sunks on 3 bases, teching directly to ultralisk. Taking a look at the replay, they have 3000 minerals and 3000 gas by the time they reach their tech, totally incapable of keeping up their macro, but once they reach ultralisk you can see their resources dropping to 100 without adding further hatcheries. Zerg is well known for being able to replace an entire army in an instant, so how can a supposedly C zerg argue that protoss can replace their entire army (of extremely expensive units) in no time? I call bullshit! You're a troll or you fail so hard | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1354 Posts
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
I like your counter-argument. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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Mr.Pyro
Denmark959 Posts
On November 06 2009 22:02 Osmoses wrote: Here's a counter argument for you: read the thread before replying. And no, I'm not saying there is something about zvp worth reading... The response was directed at the OP, cba to read through 20 pages of this nonsense ._. | ||
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Pritler
Bulgaria23 Posts
~Chill has attractive voice! On November 06 2009 22:45 MaD.pYrO wrote: The response was directed at the OP, cba to read through 20 pages of this nonsense ._. | ||
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