On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.

reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[

HovZ

United States1917 Posts

October 03 2003 18:20 GMT

#22

yhe onlyu build that excels v dt, is vulture rush. other builds can deal with dt, but it still slows u down, when u vulture rush u basically want them to dt

HnR)hT

United States3468 Posts

October 03 2003 19:00 GMT

#23

Hovz, did you watch the Zeus vs Boxer game from earlier today?

choader

United States487 Posts

October 03 2003 19:48 GMT

#24

On October 04 2003 01:46 iGgs wrote:
STIMEY D OKMG FISH
STIMEY D OKMG FISH

Am I the only one who initially reads "stimmed donkey fish" upon seeing this name?

HovZ

United States1917 Posts

October 03 2003 19:51 GMT

#25

no, why?

HnR)hT

United States3468 Posts

October 03 2003 19:54 GMT

#26

Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

October 04 2003 05:31 GMT

#27

He did a 2 fac gundam, not 2 fac vult (both speed and mines).

PoP

France15446 Posts

October 04 2003 05:52 GMT

#28

On October 04 2003 04:54 HnR)ht wrote:
Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.

He simply forgot to make turrets. =[

Ilintar

Poland794 Posts

October 04 2003 06:21 GMT

#29

As a protoss player that's been playing DT as a starter all his life vs T, I'll say this - DT's are a _VERY GOOD_ start against _MOST_ terran buildups, as they allow you to a) delay terran expansion for a while b) contain him in his main with just 2 DT's until he gets mobile detection c) expo to another main early. However, DT's are also very vulnerable to any kind of vulture drop / early vessel strat. Of course, almost no one exactly plays that kind of strategy because it's pretty much useless against a well played 3 gate goon / obs, however, if DT's become more popular, this build can become more popular as well... generally speaking, IMO DT's are a more effective but less safe starting for P than goon / obs.

HovZ

United States1917 Posts

October 04 2003 07:13 GMT

#30

i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

October 04 2003 07:28 GMT

#31

i dont think ive ever used dts against terran or toss since i've started playing again.. hmm.

GundamVX

United States1025 Posts

October 04 2003 07:28 GMT

#32

On October 04 2003 16:13 HovZ wrote:
i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp

Well, he tried to build turrets at his ramp but fucked up...same thing I suppose hehe

TheRabidDeer

United States3806 Posts

October 05 2003 03:16 GMT

#33

I rarely use dt as I typically find it better to do goon/obs... but since gundam and fast expo is becoming more popular, I am starting to use dt tech a lot more often.

Kacas

Brazil3143 Posts

October 05 2003 05:59 GMT

#34

mines were in bad location
dt could cross the base, and the mine would not hit him
and he forgot to make a turret in his door

x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

October 05 2003 08:30 GMT

#35

On October 04 2003 02:19 mindspike wrote:

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reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[

How is this clueless?

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

October 05 2003 11:23 GMT

#36

On October 05 2003 17:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:

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How is this clueless?

because there are more good reasons to not use them than there are to use them? :[

xlkc

United States77 Posts

October 06 2003 06:38 GMT

#37

dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.

tenbagger

United States1289 Posts

October 06 2003 08:34 GMT

#38

that's a very bad example to use to counter hovz's argument.

HovZ

United States1917 Posts

October 06 2003 08:55 GMT

#39

On October 06 2003 15:38 xlkc wrote:
dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.

wrong, 2 fact speed mine vults absoluetly rape dt, u can prevent them expoing ANYWHERE and u can break the ramp 99% of the time