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On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.
reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[
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yhe onlyu build that excels v dt, is vulture rush. other builds can deal with dt, but it still slows u down, when u vulture rush u basically want them to dt
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
Hovz, did you watch the Zeus vs Boxer game from earlier today?
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On October 04 2003 01:46 iGgs wrote: STIMEY D OKMG FISH STIMEY D OKMG FISH
Am I the only one who initially reads "stimmed donkey fish" upon seeing this name?
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.
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Sweden33719 Posts
He did a 2 fac gundam, not 2 fac vult (both speed and mines).
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On October 04 2003 04:54 HnR)ht wrote: Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.
He simply forgot to make turrets. =[
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As a protoss player that's been playing DT as a starter all his life vs T, I'll say this - DT's are a _VERY GOOD_ start against _MOST_ terran buildups, as they allow you to a) delay terran expansion for a while b) contain him in his main with just 2 DT's until he gets mobile detection c) expo to another main early. However, DT's are also very vulnerable to any kind of vulture drop / early vessel strat. Of course, almost no one exactly plays that kind of strategy because it's pretty much useless against a well played 3 gate goon / obs, however, if DT's become more popular, this build can become more popular as well... generally speaking, IMO DT's are a more effective but less safe starting for P than goon / obs.
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i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp
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i dont think ive ever used dts against terran or toss since i've started playing again.. hmm.
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On October 04 2003 16:13 HovZ wrote: i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp
Well, he tried to build turrets at his ramp but fucked up...same thing I suppose hehe
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I rarely use dt as I typically find it better to do goon/obs... but since gundam and fast expo is becoming more popular, I am starting to use dt tech a lot more often.
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mines were in bad location dt could cross the base, and the mine would not hit him and he forgot to make a turret in his door
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On October 04 2003 02:19 mindspike wrote: Show nested quote +On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that. reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[
How is this clueless?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 05 2003 17:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: Show nested quote +On October 04 2003 02:19 mindspike wrote: On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote: I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that. reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[ How is this clueless?
because there are more good reasons to not use them than there are to use them? :[
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dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.
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On October 04 2003 04:54 HnR)ht wrote: Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.
that's a very bad example to use to counter hovz's argument.
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On October 06 2003 15:38 xlkc wrote: dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.
wrong, 2 fact speed mine vults absoluetly rape dt, u can prevent them expoing ANYWHERE and u can break the ramp 99% of the time
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