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WTF with DT these days???

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toptalent
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-10-03 14:29:25
October 03 2003 14:27 GMT
#1
k. lets see.

nada got DTed out of WCG.
boxer got DTed into tie breaker.
xellos gged as soon as DT came in.
kingdom gged with nal_ra's DT as the final straw.

now wtf with all the progamers these days? or is this DT thingy actually getting popular becuz its a really powerful strat?
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
October 03 2003 14:29 GMT
#2
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.
ILoveOOv ownZ everyone!!! ~ Lamer List: Mynock, naventus
toptalent
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1825 Posts
October 03 2003 14:30 GMT
#3
but its nothing new. it has been around since forever and progamers never seemed 2 have a problem with it b4. its just recently all of a sudden things turned gay.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
October 03 2003 14:31 GMT
#4
well yes they are strong and a common use may change the style to substitute E-bay for academy first (as Froz did on WCG 2002) that mixed with fast expansion is a Rape for any Dt-lover
Im back, in pog form!
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 03 2003 14:32 GMT
#5
things fade in and out of popularity. And its not a new thing - just that we dont usually have toss players in ogn.
ModeratorFather of bunnies
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 03 2003 14:33 GMT
#6
they are being, and have always been, commonly used.
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XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
October 03 2003 14:36 GMT
#7
I think that maybe it's a result that maybe progamers never expect DT b/c they don't think their opponent would use something that is so familiar and counterable. So it's like second-guessing themselves, they think that their opponent thinks that they know that their opponent knows that they can counter a DT....
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toptalent
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1825 Posts
October 03 2003 14:40 GMT
#8
they think that their opponent thinks that they know that their opponent knows that they can counter a DT....


ROFL.
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
October 03 2003 14:54 GMT
#9
Dont mock him .Hes first in Liquibet , hes gotta be smart .
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
Yarertz
Profile Joined February 2003
Djibouti1891 Posts
October 03 2003 14:57 GMT
#10
haha
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toptalent
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1825 Posts
October 03 2003 14:58 GMT
#11
i got his idea halfway into the sentence however when i tried to read it over and analyze it my head started to spin.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
October 03 2003 15:27 GMT
#12
yes see i'm not a noob for dy ing to dt i just was.. uh.. thinking .. that stuff.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
October 03 2003 15:32 GMT
#13
for some reason i never expect dt b/c i expect the p to realize that a dt is pretty ez to counter so i think they dont do it.. but then they do it and kill me ~~~~! b/c ididnt expect it!!
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
October 03 2003 15:48 GMT
#14
yah
make observer
he makes 3 gate range
gg
=D
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l2uShMarine
Profile Joined December 2002
United States168 Posts
October 03 2003 15:51 GMT
#15
nada got "gg'd" by carriers
GG Gl --v + die
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
October 03 2003 16:15 GMT
#16
On October 03 2003 23:32 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
its not a new thing - just that we dont usually have toss players in ogn.


i think this is the best explanation
1-10-5
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
October 03 2003 16:24 GMT
#17
in PvT DTs give a fantastic advantage of being able to expand quickly to a main and defend it quite easily. It forces terran to prepare for a longer time. It's like a disease on wgtour right now, but I fall for it quite often, so I guess it's good and it is the terrans that should adapt. On the other hand, if you don't scout the toss build, it is your guess that often decides whether you win or lose.

On a side note, I don't understand how going academy instead of Ebay makes a good counter for DT. Scan depletes quite quickly and often you need to SEE them fast enough sometimes in order to stop them before they do a lot of damage. Scans deplete, and sending dts in groups, dodging scans will soon catch terran off guard and if no turrets --> gg. Even with them, 4 dt drop is such a bitch when terran fast exps... maybe I'm just talking newbie-talk...
xlkc
Profile Joined June 2003
United States77 Posts
October 03 2003 16:34 GMT
#18
legionarrie is the best ever dt user vs zerg. i love his sexy dts__
iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
October 03 2003 16:43 GMT
#19
On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.


hmm thanks for clueing us in

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iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
October 03 2003 16:46 GMT
#20
On October 04 2003 00:27 STIMEY D OKMG FISH wrote:
yes see i'm not a noob for dy ing to dt i just was.. uh.. thinking .. that stuff.


STIMEY D OKMG FISH
STIMEY D OKMG FISH

mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
October 03 2003 17:19 GMT
#21
On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.


reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
October 03 2003 18:20 GMT
#22
yhe onlyu build that excels v dt, is vulture rush. other builds can deal with dt, but it still slows u down, when u vulture rush u basically want them to dt
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
October 03 2003 19:00 GMT
#23
Hovz, did you watch the Zeus vs Boxer game from earlier today?
choader
Profile Joined June 2003
United States487 Posts
October 03 2003 19:48 GMT
#24
On October 04 2003 01:46 iGgs wrote:
STIMEY D OKMG FISH
STIMEY D OKMG FISH


Am I the only one who initially reads "stimmed donkey fish" upon seeing this name?
Failure by design.
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
October 03 2003 19:51 GMT
#25
no, why?
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
October 03 2003 19:54 GMT
#26
Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 04 2003 05:31 GMT
#27
He did a 2 fac gundam, not 2 fac vult (both speed and mines).
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
October 04 2003 05:52 GMT
#28
On October 04 2003 04:54 HnR)ht wrote:
Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.


He simply forgot to make turrets. =[
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Ilintar
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland794 Posts
October 04 2003 06:21 GMT
#29
As a protoss player that's been playing DT as a starter all his life vs T, I'll say this - DT's are a _VERY GOOD_ start against _MOST_ terran buildups, as they allow you to a) delay terran expansion for a while b) contain him in his main with just 2 DT's until he gets mobile detection c) expo to another main early. However, DT's are also very vulnerable to any kind of vulture drop / early vessel strat. Of course, almost no one exactly plays that kind of strategy because it's pretty much useless against a well played 3 gate goon / obs, however, if DT's become more popular, this build can become more popular as well... generally speaking, IMO DT's are a more effective but less safe starting for P than goon / obs.
Former webmaster @ WGTour.com / BWLauncher developer
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
October 04 2003 07:13 GMT
#30
i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
October 04 2003 07:28 GMT
#31
i dont think ive ever used dts against terran or toss since i've started playing again.. hmm.
GundamVX
Profile Joined June 2003
United States1025 Posts
October 04 2003 07:28 GMT
#32
On October 04 2003 16:13 HovZ wrote:
i dont have to watch the rep, but if boxer didnt get speed that can hurt, but u still shouldnt die, im guessing he didnt realize dts were coming until they were probly at his ramp


Well, he tried to build turrets at his ramp but fucked up...same thing I suppose hehe
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 05 2003 03:16 GMT
#33
I rarely use dt as I typically find it better to do goon/obs... but since gundam and fast expo is becoming more popular, I am starting to use dt tech a lot more often.
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
October 05 2003 05:59 GMT
#34
mines were in bad location
dt could cross the base, and the mine would not hit him
and he forgot to make a turret in his door
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x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
October 05 2003 08:30 GMT
#35
On October 04 2003 02:19 mindspike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.


reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[


How is this clueless?
ILoveOOv ownZ everyone!!! ~ Lamer List: Mynock, naventus
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 05 2003 11:23 GMT
#36
On October 05 2003 17:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2003 02:19 mindspike wrote:
On October 03 2003 23:29 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
I have said it before that there is no good reason not to use them, pro gamers are finally seeing that.


reaper always makes the most clueless posts :[


How is this clueless?


because there are more good reasons to not use them than there are to use them? :[
why so 진지해?
xlkc
Profile Joined June 2003
United States77 Posts
October 06 2003 06:38 GMT
#37
dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
October 06 2003 08:34 GMT
#38
On October 04 2003 04:54 HnR)ht wrote:
Boxer did a 2 fact mostly-vulture opening and was still hurt badly by a simple dt rush. I was just curious about your opinion of that game, and particularly what went wrong for boxer. Since you haven't seen the vod I won't bother you though.


that's a very bad example to use to counter hovz's argument.
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-10-06 08:56:40
October 06 2003 08:55 GMT
#39
On October 06 2003 15:38 xlkc wrote:
dt opening indeed gives toss a huge advantage of delaying terran's exp and expand themseleves, even if u vultures rush, dual fact,mine/speed research, dts still beat it with some goons holding the ramp. any decent toss would know if u see mass vultures coming, switch to some goons. imo, 2 tank 1 dropship openinig with e-bay really fast is the best tvp opening when u dont know what toss is doing, put up a turret on the door and 2 near ur minerals if u suspect dt dropping, 1 turrets is not gonna stop 4 dts.. if he goes dts he cant expand to his natural because he desnt have drop yet to stop the cliff.


wrong, 2 fact speed mine vults absoluetly rape dt, u can prevent them expoing ANYWHERE and u can break the ramp 99% of the time
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
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