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you dont have any arguements reiko. people are bashing your english because you seem unable to understand simple points.
you claim it was not all-in, inspite of everybody else telling you otherwise. its pretty hard to trust the opinion of 'reiko from croatia' when you have idra and nony among others telling you otherwise.
you say "He mocked man's mechanic,and he died from same mechanic" which is fairly absurd. he mocked his mechanics and died to his build, not his mechanics.
you say "After Fenix did his DT drop, his macro was ok" despite nony showing he can do the same thing faster with more units and the not so trivial detail of an extra nexus. this is not "ok".
cloud asked why fenix would go pvz instead of tvz. idra implied tvz is a mechically demanding matchup and therefore fenix would struggle with it even more. you are the person who brought up the fenix/idra match with a comment about how it showed fenixs mechanics and were promptly shot down because to everybody with a brain it didnt.
what exactly are you argueing? that fenix has good mechanics and beating idra proves this? it doesnt. please stop.
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thanks for all your efforts artosis!
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I rest my case. It seems my and everyones elses opinion means nothing, maybe because we are not "Idra" or "Nony", we are just simple pesants... there is no need to have forum then, if you "dont want to listen to ReiKo from Croatia" or AvarageJoe from NY. Maybe to close forums and make private one where only gosu's of gosus can disscus, and are allowed to make their statemen. Noone is "telling me otherwise", there are people who agree with me, and they are in much bigger numbers then the side that dosen't agree with my statements. You seem to know better English from me , because you are from Australia ofcourse, but you don't seem to understand that I dont want to argue if it isn't all in or not, I just want to make sure that mocking "Fenix mechanics" is not good reaction just because you lost from him.
And don't generalise,noone is "bashing" my English. Maybe you and your fella' from Australa, but that's just 2 of you, and I really don't care.
And yeah, after Cloud asked why didn't he go TvZ against Dinot, Idra didn't implified anything. We all know what he meant by "did you see his mechanics?" And his reaction after that...so please spare me the "100 ways to interprate" someone.
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btw. what happen to "hide the replay progress" thing artosis? New patch = not working plugin?
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On September 21 2008 17:28 ReiKo wrote:but you don't seem to understand that I dont want to argue if it isn't all in or not, I just want to make sure that mocking "Fenix mechanics" is not good reaction just because you lost from him.
how about because they're bad for a gamer of his level?
On September 21 2008 17:28 ReiKo wrote:And yeah, after Cloud asked why didn't he go TvZ against Dinot, Idra didn't implified anything. We all know what he meant by "did you see his mechanics?"
yes, we all do. he meant he has bad mechanics.
if you dont want to discuss if he was all-in or not then stop saying he wasnt. if you would like to in some way prove idra is wrong in saying fenix has (comparitively) bad mechanics then by all means show us. until then you're not actually saying anything more than "no, you're wrong. people agree with me. with what i don't know, because im not actually saying anything"
is it disrespectful of idra to say so? sure, probably. it's up to idra if he wants to be disrespectful however, so either prove him wrong or get over it.
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I prove my point over and over but you don't want to accept it. Anyways, if Fenix "bad for Idra's level" then I think Idra shoud > him what wasn't a case, even vs WhiteRa it wasn't a case...
If Idra loses vs forigners it's ok with me, but i get beef vs him when he loses and starts to mock gamers that beat him, its pathetic and ridicilous. Sometimes, it's just enough to kudos to other gamer without trying to analize his game after you lose from him, 90% of people who do that, does that to find his flaws and mock them in front of community to make them feel better. Maybe watch his flaws and beat him next time and keep that flaws in your mind and for yourself? Then he woudn't "prove himself in front of community" i supose. It's like kid who needs to prove to his friends that he didn't lose "for real" but trys to justify his lose... it's ridicilous, be a man and take your lose without excuses like "allin" or something else.
Idra's statement wasn't just to "say Fenix got bad mechanics", you can say that ofcourse, but on what level are Idra's mechanic then? I don't need to prove anyone wrong or true, I have my opinion and I think it's valid, you think yours valid, and it's pretty clear you won't accept mine, and I won't accept yours.
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I agree that Idra lost to an all in BUT instead of saying Fenix won bcause he used a cheap all in tactic u should say : I ( Idra ) did lose because i was not able to survive his strategy and so its still my mistake and not his cheap play.
Its your weakness when u lose to your opponents play.
He did NOT WIN because he made an all in strategy but because u WERE NOT ABLE TO DEFEND IT okey ?
See it that way and everything is fine..
ggs..
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Yeah I agree with our German friend here. Being respectful and humble when you lose is good habit, and it woud help Idra improve, his attitude that he has all the time (since I heard for him his attitude was always the same, and he was disguisting when he had that interview with Artosis talking bullshit against other nations, vs Germany most "who cares??" and mocking them).
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On September 21 2008 09:00 InfeSteD wrote:
I cant believe u guys are fuckin judging Reiko's English if he is from Croatia :S
how ignorant :S
His english is sort of confusing though
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My teacher was Master Joda.
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1. He lost to DTs, dunno if that's all in, but I wouldn't consider it one, it somewhat gives you map control even if it fails.
2. Fenix' mechanics aren't exceptional, why would we even debate this, but then again niether is Idra's so I don't see why he would belittle another person's - especially after spending some time in Korea - and especially after a loss. Doesn't show much for his gamemanship, even IF he has a point - no need to talk shit.
3. Idra boasting about the US is not a personal attack on you Reiko, he is half joking.
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I agree with you Zidane, I just want to point up that I dont think "his joke" as personal attack, and I even don't think it was joke at all, he seemed serious enough, and he was talking what he was thinking so... he was disrespectful toward Europeians... that was uncessary, he coud always had neutral opinion on their play or just act professional.
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Since when has the quality of English have to do anything with TL, I thought we were past that.
And Idra probably doesn't realise he is somewhat a celebrity amongst foreign bw players, a gamer who represents us. He shouldn't give answers like that, joke or not, as many people take him seriously because he is the only one who made it to Korea. He should leave this shit to iNcontrol and other trolls...
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On September 21 2008 18:20 ReiKo wrote:
I prove my point over and over but you don't want to accept it. Anyways, if Fenix "bad for Idra's level" then I think Idra shoud > him what wasn't a case, even vs WhiteRa it wasn't a case...
That's now how logic works. Better players only beat worse players ~70% (if they're monsters) at high levels. So you need to look at an array of results, not a single game.
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I didn't say Fenix was better then Idra, ofcourse you need to take in account for example BO3, or something, not just 1 match, but the point is behind of respecting your opponent even if you lose. It's easy to be general after battle and brag if you won, I don't understand why he dosen't spare himselfe anymore trouble and shame and stop being bm toward most non-Americans, and people who beat him...
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On September 22 2008 00:53 ReiKo wrote:
I didn't say Fenix was better then Idra, ofcourse you need to take in account for example BO3, or something, not just 1 match, but the point is behind of respecting your opponent even if you lose. It's easy to be general after battle and brag if you won, I don't understand why he dosen't spare himselfe anymore trouble and shame and stop being bm toward most non-Americans, and people who beat him...
Because he doesn't care what you think and rightly so.
You can't please everyone in this world. Myself and many others would rather he spoke the truth and was interesting than being a boring suck up.
I don't consider saying "his mechanics are poor" when they ARE poor to be bm.
If he called him a faggot... that would be bm.
Just because you think it's bm, doesn't mean everyone does.
Now you've posted about 50 times in the last 24hours and it's all unintelligible nonsense......... please stop.
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I didn't say Idra was being BM when he said that Fenix mechanics are poor, he was BM in the interview with Artosis, and in general he was always BM on various forums, most people that are involved in Starcraft community will confirm this.
Maybe its unintelligible nonsense, but I won't even dare to name your "nonsense" then, beacuse word for it woudn't be appropriate for this forum. What's point of disscusion if it's nonsense to you.
He dosen't care what I think? Ok, but I said he was insulting whole Euro (or most of it, beacuse Germans,Polish and others are very huge part of it) by his unecessary garbage talk. If he dosen't care what Euro community then good luck to him.
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Thank you very much artosis, enjoyed all the vods so far.
watch predator vs the toss guy, those are very good matches that made me think about Ro8 TSL or something.
I almost prefer you casting alone, Dan lee sure is fun but it gets a bit old after a while.
Anyway, thanks again, great work
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