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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1216024066_1.jpg) Proleague planning two huge changes on next season. -Next proleague season, 2v2 matches will be completely cancelled. -we will see BO7 instead of BO5... (seven 1v1 matches) KESPA, teams and other associations are still arguing about this topic, so this is not final decision! | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
kinda sucks for the teams with strong 2v2 teams, sucks for 2v2 specialists, sucks for teams with relatively weak 1v1 lineups comparatively, good for teams with shitty 2v2, good for the somewhat inexpereinced 1v1 players who will have more playing time. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
nevermind | ||
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Ryot
Canada316 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:14 CDRdude wrote: Could you please link the source? (You said Fomos, but it'd be great to get something more specific). Do you know if this is just a wild suggestion, or a serious consideration? I hope it doesn't happen, I usually love the 2v2 set. #4 | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
4v4 hunters, you heard it here first | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
2v2's are awesome fun to watch. But then again, 7 1v1's would be awesome too... | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:16 spydernoob wrote: it would make more sense if it was still bo5 and all 1v1, but a 1v1 b07 is just going to get boring. 4v4 hunters, you heard it here first yeah, seven 1v1 games...its crazy, but maybe more fair | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
I saw it after I posted, I'm slow  | ||
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
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Presony-Boy
Israel812 Posts
and does that mean that the finals will be bo9? | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:23 Presony-Boy wrote: also 6 teams will go to the playoffs instead of 4, right? and does that mean that the finals will be bo9? i donno, but if Im right, every team will play five times against eachother. next season will be the longest season ever =) | ||
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born-to-porn
Denmark400 Posts
2v2s are a great break from all the 1v1s being played all the time. I don't see what good could possibly come from removing a great aspect of the game in return for more of the same old 1v1 play that we're all so familiar with. There are more than plenty 1v1 matches as it is, not only in the proleague but also in all of the other tournament such as MSL, OSL, Intel Classic, duel Tournament and so on. 2v2s bring teamwork into the game, an aspect that is obviously missing from the 1v1 game of starcraft, and am I the only the one who thinks it would be weird to have a team league where teamwork isn't important? Let 2v2 stay! | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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genwar
Canada537 Posts
maybe crazier maps 2v2 maps, could change it up. go island maps. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:54 dinmsab wrote: Imagine waking up next season, looking forward to Haran, hery, sair, stats + the usual KTF lineup vs say... Fox's pepe, hoony, firefist, control+regular fox's lineup. The lineups would give me a hard time trying to stay up throughout the matches. That is a very legitimate concern. It can be hard to keep the quality and focus of the matches with so many games playing. Add the expanded regular season, and I expect even further decreases in quality. It will be hard to watch sub-par matches all year just to wait for the grand finals. Perhaps they should add something in the middle of the season to "flare things up". | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:54 dinmsab wrote: Imagine waking up next season, looking forward to Haran, hery, sair, stats + the usual KTF lineup vs say... Fox's pepe, hoony, firefist, control+regular fox's lineup. The lineups would give me a hard time trying to stay up throughout the matches. this year i have been seen almost 50 games by Flash =__________= | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
we need something creative to happen with the maps | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On July 15 2008 07:02 emucxg wrote: this year i have been seen almost 50 games by Flash =__________= KTF coach had the choice to use Flash in each match, he could easily replace Flash from the lineups and replace him with say... hery. But next season the coaches would be left with no choice but to use all of its "decent" players if it wants to win. So yes, I believe we'll be seeing hery in every single game KTF plays next season. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
Also, i too am tired of seeing the same players all the time, in 1v1's i think this would bring greater variety, all we need is some new better maps and for the coaches to stop sending mirror matchups all the time... | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 15 2008 07:07 dinmsab wrote: KTF coach had the choice to use Flash in each match, he could easily replace Flash from the lineups and replace him with say... hery. But next season the coaches would be left with no choice but to use all of its "decent" players if it wants to win. So yes, I believe we'll be seeing hery in every single game KTF plays next season. 7 pple... Flash 815 Haran Lucifer Tempest Violet.... ya we're seeing hery a lot again  | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
Seriously though, more players being able to play on the big stage is a good thing, and it makes teams more into 'teams', though I could see there being some time issues involved with BO7s as often as PL games are! | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On July 15 2008 07:25 thedeadhaji wrote: 7 pple... Flash 815 Haran Lucifer Tempest Violet.... ya we're seeing hery a lot again Kang Min! | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On July 15 2008 07:25 thedeadhaji wrote: 7 pple... Flash 815 Haran Lucifer Tempest Violet.... ya we're seeing hery a lot again Because tempest is actually better than hery? come on... | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:53 Tinithor wrote: 2v2's have gotten mad boring this season, basically the same game every time. This is why i don't even watch the 2v2 games anymore, also i think Bo7 would be cool as hell. | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Gaetele
Esper760 Posts
now reach/yellow are useless | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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pockyD
United States14 Posts
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stanley_
United States816 Posts
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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edzwoo
United States469 Posts
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
On July 15 2008 08:48 edzwoo wrote: Instead, 2v2 should be replaced so the players have to be random. How awesome would that be? Not awesome at all. | ||
GTR
51449 Posts
zzzzz no more ace match then? | ||
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AnyOne
Chile547 Posts
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
On July 15 2008 08:57 GTR-2-Go wrote: bo7 zzzzz no more ace match then? there will still be ace match if it ties up 3 3 | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 15 2008 08:21 VIB wrote: I'm glad they did it. 2v2 in bw is way unbalanced, gets boring and repetitive really fast. 1v1 is the way to go, they just need to keep refreshing the maps to keep it interesting. new maps every PL season and we'd still have the boringness problem. After 3 weeks the matches went stale overall | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
Here is the thing. People are thinking that with 7 1v1's we are going to see TvZ like Hwasin vs Jaedong, TvP Flash vs Best, PvZ Bisu vs July... Well, guess what? No. We will have around 4 mirror matches every time, and being game 2 and 3 where coaches will let their worst players play, you'll get two terribly boring turtling terran noobs playin 1 hour TvT, and some noobish mu that you'll regret ever watching. If they are going to remove 2v2, at least they should come with something that it's NOT 1v1, and that can replace 2v2 with the same weight in the final outcome. Team melee anyone? And if they are too lazy to use their creativity, well, then just leave it at 5 1v1's. | ||
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akm4
Canada71 Posts
the only problem with 2v2 is the maps... just gotta make the maps a little intresting like Iron curtain... I dont think it would be a good idea... B0 7 would be boring in my opinion... same 1v1's, more no name players vs no name players... less chance of Ace Match, less chance of a 2 big names facing each other... | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 15 2008 11:30 RamenStyle wrote: Ok, maybe 2v2 has gone to boring. I myself stopped watching 2v2 unless it involves players I like a lot, and sometimes not even then. However I think that 7 1v1's is a terrible idea. Here is the thing. People are thinking that with 7 1v1's we are going to see TvZ like Hwasin vs Jaedong, TvP Flash vs Best, PvZ Bisu vs July... Well, guess what? No. We will have around 4 mirror matches every time, and being game 2 and 3 where coaches will let their worst players play, you'll get two terribly boring turtling terran noobs playin 1 hour TvT, and some noobish mu that you'll regret ever watching. If they are going to remove 2v2, at least they should come with something that it's NOT 1v1, and that can replace 2v2 with the same weight in the final outcome. Team melee anyone? And if they are too lazy to use their creativity, well, then just leave it at 5 1v1's. let me just point out that its not a 'lack of creativity', rather that the other game modes are fucking stupid | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
btw if current proleague is boring go back to how it was before; - unannounced lineups - team league!!!! | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
1v1 1v1 2v2 1v1 1v1 3v3 1v1 ACE [coach battle?] | ||
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randomscrub
Bulgaria44 Posts
2v2 or 3v3 team melee at a progamer level would be pretty cool imo | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Also that's probably the best possible format for ACE but shhhhhh | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27149 Posts
On July 15 2008 12:05 Last Romantic wrote: Just return to the 2006 style - that is, current format with unannounced lineups. That shit was my favorite. Also that's probably the best possible format for ACE but shhhhhh And also the old MBC Team League style. | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 15 2008 12:11 Manifesto7 wrote: And also the old MBC Team League style. god that shit was so good :< | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Change is good, but I really don't know about this. The Pro League is going to lose one dimension, but 7 1v1s will make each series longer, harder and more draining. It's a touchy subject. 7 x 1v1 will get tiring after one season. | ||
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Plutonium
United States2217 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
and bo7?? omg whats the finals going to be? Bo9? lol. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
On July 15 2008 11:43 Plexa wrote: this has generated quite a discussion on fomos o.O btw if current proleague is boring go back to how it was before; - unannounced lineups - team league!!!! unannouced lineups will be good. Or maybe give them your 7 players, then the matchups are drawn out randomly. but getting rid of 2v2 is a good thing. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
GOOD TIMES! ALLIN in the dark. I think the old MBC format would be best. 7x1v1s does sound intriguing and God, we'll be up all night. | ||
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TW WiNNinG 54
United States250 Posts
If its best of 7, It should be 1v1, 1v1, 2v2, 1v1, 1v1, 2v2, 1v1 (ACE). 7 might be too long, 5 is good, not short, not long. If u wanna have the 2v2 effect still being a 1v1, have 1 progamer play and a 2nd progamer/coach help/assist w/o playing. | ||
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Victor
New Zealand1016 Posts
On July 15 2008 11:46 justiceknight wrote: after seeing so amny PZ v PZ in hunters etc,it gets kinda boring.I was hoping if they will switch 2v2 ---> 3v3 or 4v4 in maps like hunters to make it interesting.Or even better for Bo7 1v1 1v1 2v2 1v1 1v1 3v3 1v1 ACE [coach battle?] Coach battle? you can't be serious, then Oov and Kingdom will just own the rest of the coachs everytime the matches become 3-3 -_-;; | ||
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Kami
United States127 Posts
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Ideas
United States8098 Posts
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Ry-Masta-T
United States478 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On July 15 2008 13:12 Victor wrote: Coach battle? you can't be serious, then Oov and Kingdom will just own the rest of the coachs everytime the matches become 3-3 -_-;; dont forget [oops]january. The samsung lady plays zerg. =P | ||
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omfghi2u2
United States831 Posts
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ChaosKnight
United States819 Posts
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Silverflame
United States428 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On July 15 2008 11:46 justiceknight wrote: after seeing so amny PZ v PZ in hunters etc,it gets kinda boring.I was hoping if they will switch 2v2 ---> 3v3 or 4v4 in maps like hunters to make it interesting.Or even better for Bo7 1v1 1v1 2v2 1v1 1v1 3v3 1v1 ACE [coach battle?] Imba Idea. T1 would rape literally all coach battles. Send Oov for insta-win and occasionally Kingdom when Oov's bored. Anyways, back on topic. 2v2's were fun to watch (Pain in the ass to live report but fun to watch). Certainly quite a changeup from all the 1v1's we see in Indiv. Leagues, and other games in Proleague. If 2v2's were to be abolished, BO5 1v1's with spontaneous lineups would be great to watch. BO7s in the regular season would simply be too taxing. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On July 15 2008 12:42 Highways wrote: 100% supported! The less mirrors we get, the better ^^unannouced lineups will be good. Or maybe give them your 7 players, then the matchups are drawn out randomly. but getting rid of 2v2 is a good thing. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
This is terrible. KTF need to get more solid 1v1, esp no Reach or Yellow. "Are we boned?" | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
then we can cheer for the Knights of the Sky. The Lord of Dreams belongs in the air. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
If 2v2 were to be removed, I think I'd watch even less Proleague. It's fun to see something different from time to time. It's a good thing for TV when Yellow/Reach/July get to play. I wonder if this has anything to do with OGN and MBC getting their ass handed to them in 2v2 | ||
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Pangolin
United States1035 Posts
I think the reason that they would increase the number of games is so that losing the 2v2s would not decrease the number of players that each team has to use for each match. In fact, with 7 1v1s even more players will get their chance to play on the big stage which I think of as a good thing(Greg Fields GOGO!) | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
I think they should just make more good 2v2 maps. Most of 2v2 on Hunters are mass zeal/ling vs mass zeal/ling . | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
really all they need to do is reinstate the rule that teams cant use the same race on a given map twice in a row. its all the mirror mu's that are making proleague stale. | ||
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sylonto
United States44 Posts
On July 15 2008 17:14 IdrA wrote: that doesnt bode well for us really all they need to do is reinstate the rule that teams cant use the same race on a given map twice in a row. its all the mirror mu's that are making proleague stale. What if the first match is a terran mirror and because of this rule 2 tosses gent sent out. doesnt this make even mroe mirrors? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
worst case scenario you have the same number of mirrors, half tvt and half pvp which is still better than all tvt. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
Though hard to implement, a 2v2 team style (UMS maps where you always have your partner by your side of the map) would make better games and thus, more entertaining. I also support the idea that one channel stays with current format and another one has the "winner stays" (so you can always choose which format to watch). | ||
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Pafnucy
Poland1124 Posts
Question to Idra: what do you guys in Estro and other progamers think of this? My guess is that most people are positive about it - more chance for a decent, although not top player to at least gain televised game experience. Another consequence of it - competent offline partners being more important, since we would have 6-7 players preparing for their proleague games, which requires over 12-14 people participating for each match. Of course this doesn't mean more money for players, unfortunately. Just experience and extended practice ground for individual leagues. Lack of 2v2 should be good for pros, since 1v1 is what brought them to their team and 2v2 is niche, kills 1v1 skill. Is 2v2 treated as a disliked service for the team or rather one other way of contributing for weaker players? | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:53 genwar wrote: eh when 2v2's start in proleague that's when I go afk. maybe crazier maps 2v2 maps, could change it up. go island maps. I agree! I would love to see island maps. Although I'm not terribly disappointed that 2v2 would be cut, it would be nice if they drastically changed how 2v2's are done. Island maps or even RRvsRRs would be great. | ||
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StripedBlueCrow
United States506 Posts
On July 15 2008 08:10 stanley_ wrote: they should play team melee On July 15 2008 08:09 pockyD wrote: they should play shared bases 2v2 These are both awesome ideas too! | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
As for BO7, I would spice it up little bit like: Game1 Game2 Game3 Game4 (semi-Ace only if score is 3-0 for losing team to change player) Game5 Game6 Game7 (Obvious Ace) OR Give wildcards like: Break Mirror: Gives team that is losing at the moment chance to swap player from proleague roster(can be used once per team) Evil Map: Forces map switch if losing team uses wildcard, suddenly Wuthering Heights is gone and here comes Blue Storm 1.2 etc (can be used once per team) Swap Game: Only if score is tied at the moment (can't be used first set) team can make one move that can move anything from set to set (of course already played cant be switched). Can be used after Set2, Set4 after that no switches cant be done. Only 1 card per team per set. And so one. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On July 15 2008 06:18 Woyn wrote: Bo7 would blow balls, theres too many proleague matches these days as it is Here's a crazy idea. Don't watch them all? Oh good now there's still the same amount! | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
every team should have a quota on how many times you can use a race per match imo. | ||
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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Altar
United States577 Posts
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Zortch
Canada635 Posts
If some low econ maps get made we'll be seeing a lot of shorter matches, which could make Bo7 more feasible and would also make the big macro games more epic (since it would be seen relative so the shorter games). Plus, with the crazy macro style that is ever so popular these days some micro maps could be really fun and force players to work on a more well rounded playing style *cough*  BeSt*cough*  . While I never really got into the 2v2s I think they add some diversity to the proleague matches and a nice break that seems a little more...Light? So to speak. Always feels less intense to me since I really don't understand what is going on like I do in 1v1s (with even my limited knowledge). | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On July 17 2008 01:19 RaGe wrote: Ugh, this is what they get for reincluding hunters as a 2v2 map. 2v2 on hunters is so boring. Atleast DMZ was exciting. That was probably a desperate attempt to make the crowd more interested in 2v2 (because Hunters is played on BattleNet all the time). | ||
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polarwolf
924 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On July 17 2008 01:19 RaGe wrote: Ugh, this is what they get for reincluding hunters as a 2v2 map. 2v2 on hunters is so boring. Atleast DMZ was exciting. Actually there have been good games on hunters. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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zgl
United States1055 Posts
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illeszt
United States350 Posts
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