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iD.Twisted
Profile Joined September 2002
Netherlands3102 Posts
September 20 2003 06:36 GMT
#361
He means that he tries to macro and micro better by being faster, which results in a higher apm. He doens't try to boost his apm by clicking 121212121212, he's trying to boost his apm by playing faster.
All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
September 20 2003 06:57 GMT
#362
Then he's just trying to micro and macro better

not trying to bring apm up...
KaMui
Profile Joined May 2003
Switzerland76 Posts
September 20 2003 07:13 GMT
#363
may i ask how u can look up how many % hotkeys u use?
(where in bwchart?)
Kobayashi
Profile Joined February 2003
Portugal1970 Posts
September 20 2003 07:32 GMT
#364
On September 20 2003 16:13 KaMui wrote:
may i ask how u can look up how many % hotkeys u use?
(where in bwchart?)


In the statistic's tab choose "action ditribution" in the chart menu
I love mankind, its people I hate
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
September 20 2003 07:33 GMT
#365
Kamui: sure U can

U need a recent enough version of bwcharts (http://www.bwchart.com)
then when U load a replay -> Action distribution and have percentage option checked.
Nuttie
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland302 Posts
September 20 2003 08:08 GMT
#366
go get some...
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
September 20 2003 08:10 GMT
#367
One thing ive really noticed.

If the game isnt important, my apm is 20-25 LESS THAN IT IS IF THE GAME IS IMPORTANT.

On most wgt/practice games, my apm is roughly 95-100, like kiddie. When I played wcg syracuse and my real wcg games in california, my apm was 115-125. It really is a matter of concentration. And sometimes I do play slowly and I know it. If I concentrate and try to play faster, I get more done and play better.

apm isnt a great measure of skill (although an obvious correlation exists), but it IS a good measurement of speed.
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
September 20 2003 08:18 GMT
#368
IMHO,

cyric and FA are so right and Ion)positive is so wrong.

threshy
Profile Joined March 2003
Qatar550 Posts
September 20 2003 08:35 GMT
#369
The thing that seems to be confusing some people is that APM doesn't in fact correlate to speed. It correlates to activity, and that's all. As Blackman notes in his interview on the front page, having 300 APM doesn't require fast hands, it requires concentration, discipline, and thought.

If you macro your gates really quickly and then do nothing, as someone suggested, then you are wasting time. Every second during which you do nothing is a second that you opponent used to gain a slight advantage over you. There is always something to be attended to in Starcraft, and a large part of becoming a really good player isn't building arm muscle for speed (ludicrous, if you think about it), but always knowing what to do next, or even several steps into the future. That is what allows for sustainably high APM.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 20 2003 08:59 GMT
#370
On September 20 2003 15:57 Beamo wrote:
Then he's just trying to micro and macro better

not trying to bring apm up...

I wanna use the keyboard more when I play (I use it for about 30% of my actions as it is now) and I want to bring that up. Thus I try to improve my apm.
I try to do everything I do faster, even though it may mean that the first few times I'll make misstakes it's worth it in the long run.
I'm not trying to micro/macro better- I'm trying to do it FASTER and then ultimately improving my play as a whole-__-
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 20 2003 09:01 GMT
#371
On September 20 2003 15:36 Twisted wrote:
He means that he tries to macro and micro better by being faster, which results in a higher apm. He doens't try to boost his apm by clicking 121212121212, he's trying to boost his apm by playing faster.

Yes, I never do 1212121212 I do, 1 2 3 (checking up on units, checking surroundings, movings obs, backing hurt units) 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 making units, setting rally point to where my army is currently at).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
September 20 2003 09:02 GMT
#372
And yes I'm trying to bring my apm up- no matter what you think it does increase your skill if you can micro macro just as well but at a much higher speed :{
I'm not trying to improve apm as in massive 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 31231234184915915018501982508190258091890182095809218509
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Nevera
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland677 Posts
September 20 2003 09:29 GMT
#373
On September 20 2003 15:57 Beamo wrote:
Then he's just trying to micro and macro better

not trying to bring apm up...


Nigga1: I am trying to get my record time under 10.00...
N2: No you're not!!! You're just trying to run faster...
N1: But the less time I spend the faster I am...?
N2: No it doesn't mean that, what if you don't run straight, then you still run really fast but don't get good time.
N1: That would just mean I'm stupid, why would you think that?
N2: Because it helps my case!

"ok"
Moo i say
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
September 20 2003 09:36 GMT
#374
On September 20 2003 18:29 Nevera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2003 15:57 Beamo wrote:
Then he's just trying to micro and macro better

not trying to bring apm up...


Nigga1: I am trying to get my record time under 10.00...
N2: No you're not!!! You're just trying to run faster...
N1: But the less time I spend the faster I am...?
N2: No it doesn't mean that, what if you don't run straight, then you still run really fast but don't get good time.
N1: That would just mean I'm stupid, why would you think that?
N2: Because it helps my case!

"ok"



LOL
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
ForgoTTeN-SupeR
Profile Joined March 2003
United States786 Posts
September 20 2003 09:37 GMT
#375
Why did this topic turn into an argument over the comparison of APM to skill?
Inspire
Profile Joined March 2003
132 Posts
September 20 2003 09:45 GMT
#376
In this situation FrozenArbiter is right Moving faster at first and then take this moves to micro and macro and like he wrote when you play normally you play faster. I took the same way like Arbiter and it works. I do everything faster better than I did it before. I was about 150 and now I'm about 240-300 APM and not every clicks of course are usefull but despite it I went better.
Inspire
Profile Joined March 2003
132 Posts
September 20 2003 09:46 GMT
#377
Skill with APM is the best what you can get, that is why some people own this game and some not.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
September 20 2003 09:54 GMT
#378
If Positive and Beamo don't get it by now, then they never will. We've given you explanations and you come back with stuff that doesn't make any sense or correlate to the arguments. Now I remember why I usually abstain from discussions on this forum...
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FrinkX
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States958 Posts
September 20 2003 11:01 GMT
#379
are those APM's really that hard to get?? i mean, _i_ couldnt get 300, but when i mentioned how hard APM was to testie, he told me its useless - and proceded to get 280 in the 1v1 we had. He averages 130-150.

If Testie can do it, couldn't others' as well?


sorry for being very very late, but Testie's APM can reach this.

Don't know if u knew, but Testie played in TLTour, under the account 'AlwaysOvr200APM' (finished #37, 44-8).

His APM ranged from 200-500, one game it was 510, one game 490, other games were 300s, 200s. The only time it dropped was the last 2 days of season when he was struggling to get top 32.

Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
September 20 2003 11:41 GMT
#380
frink, are u adding to what i said or refuting it?
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