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tomsOn
Pro and cons of acceleration
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
What are your thoughts ? Share your views and try to justify them. __ tomsOn | ||
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smartcat
Russian Federation172 Posts
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AutumnLight
Ukraine2488 Posts
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
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bi11y
United States169 Posts
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mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
I prefer acceleration on for all the reasons you stated. I heard that HeMan (the War3 champion who's now playing in Korea) lost one of his recent matches partly because he couldn't turn off the acceleration under Korean XP prior to the game. If this is true, it suggests that he prefers to play without acceleration. In fact, it suggests that he finds acceleration bothersome enough to seriously affect his game play. Not sure about the reasons tho. I'll ask. Or maybe he can comment on this himself... | ||
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Ymar
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
I think that the best combination is no acceleration with a medium+ pointer speed. I think that blizzard should put in the game options something like what ID Software did to Quake 3: a mouse speed measured in numbers and Windows independent, not the Windows confusing bar. Everytime i reinstall windows i have to spend several minutes tunning up my mouse speed again cause i never remember were in the goddam bar i putted it last time!  | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On the other hand, I suppose that eventually, given enough practice, your brain will start to remember how far to move the mouse in order to move the cursor x distance on the screen anyway, so once you "get used" to acceleration you should have few problems with it. The benefits of acceleration seem trivial to me, though. I mean, how hard is it really to move the cursor quickly from one gateway to another without acceleration (given that your speed isn't too low, of course)? Similarly, is it really that hard to move your mouse just a tiny bit to move the cursor only a tad in any direction? I have to admit that I don't know whether my mouse uses acceleration or not (probably some low accel.), and I don't have a setting for it, either  . But I can't see how this (imperceptible because it's exponential, mind you) variability of speed/accuracy would give you any real advantage, since these mouse movements aren't exactly physically demanding tasks (please correct me if I'm wrong, though). If anything, it increases the extent to which speed and accuracy are mutually exclusive.In short, we have some possible benefits that don't actually seem to be beneficial at all, at the expense of being able to calculate mentally how far to move your mouse in order to move your cursor a desired distance (without knowing from a great deal of experience and trial+error). Given that all of this is sound, I just don't see how acceleration would be a good idea =/. | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
noaccel is thx. some players do use accel and dominate with it. q3 pro cooller is the guy that immediately comes to mind. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On September 12 2003 22:51 mensrea wrote: Interesting post tomson. I prefer acceleration on for all the reasons you stated. I heard that HeMan (the War3 champion who's now playing in Korea) lost one of his recent matches partly because he couldn't turn off the acceleration under Korean XP prior to the game. If this is true, it suggests that he prefers to play without acceleration. In fact, it suggests that he finds acceleration bothersome enough to seriously affect his game play. Not sure about the reasons tho. I'll ask. Or maybe he can comment on this himself... it merely means you can't just switch from no-accel to accel like that | ||
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tomson
Poland641 Posts
No matter how trivial it might look, a benefit is a benefit. And of course there's no problem in clicking on gateways, yet it would be helpful if you could increase the speed and precision of doing such things. It's the small things that count. __ tomsOn | ||
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BlackJack
United States10495 Posts
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Iron[NM]
United States57 Posts
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hmmm
China299 Posts
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Roman
United States2595 Posts
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Nevera
Finland677 Posts
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FroZZoR
China925 Posts
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On September 12 2003 23:54 tomson wrote: Bill307, this is the kind of post I was looking forward to. I've also heard that argument about linear relationships, but I don't think it's something you can't overcome. After a few weeks all moves should be done on a subliminal level. There might be more to it thought, like some boundaries coded in us which we are uncapable to surmount. However it is also worth pointing out that, afaik acceleration is quite common among FPP players (i'm pretty sure fatal1ty used it), where precision is crucial. No matter how trivial it might look, a benefit is a benefit. And of course there's no problem in clicking on gateways, yet it would be helpful if you could increase the speed and precision of doing such things. It's the small things that count. __ tomsOn I'm no good at either (FPS/RTS) but even I use acc. in Q3, whereas ofcourse none in BW. Exactly coz of the obvious benefits I think. -Mynock | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 13 2003 01:00 FroZZoR wrote: I use full mouse speed no accel, used to use accel, but it was a little harder to be accurate. But if u can, by all means go for it? Btw i don't even move my hand when playing, only wrist same. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10495 Posts
On September 13 2003 01:00 FroZZoR wrote: I use full mouse speed no accel, used to use accel, but it was a little harder to be accurate. But if u can, by all means go for it? Btw i don't even move my hand when playing, only wrist you cant move your wrist without moving your hand O_o acceleration is some program that makes your mouse move faster or something? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
Accel makes your cursor move faster if you move your mouse fast, and slower if you move your mouse slow. So by covering the same distance on the mousepad in a slow or fast action the cursor will move a different length. | ||
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orca
Israel469 Posts
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LuckyCharm
United Kingdom228 Posts
On September 13 2003 01:18 [pG]Rekrul wrote: He means the heel of his hand stays in one spot. Doesn't everyone do it like this? Not that I've ever watched anyone play but it seems the natural thing to do. Were there people at WCG or something who moved their elbow and hence whole forearm to control the mouse in games? | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 13 2003 03:54 LuckyCharm wrote: Doesn't everyone do it like this? Not that I've ever watched anyone play but it seems the natural thing to do. Were there people at WCG or something who moved their elbow and hence whole forearm to control the mouse in games? Yes, slow people with lower cursor speed have to do this. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10495 Posts
On September 13 2003 03:59 [pG]Rekrul wrote: Yes, slow people with lower cursor speed have to do this. me =] | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
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VerSerK
Argentina326 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On September 12 2003 23:54 tomson wrote: Bill307, this is the kind of post I was looking forward to. I've also heard that argument about linear relationships, but I don't think it's something you can't overcome. After a few weeks all moves should be done on a subliminal level. There might be more to it thought, like some boundaries coded in us which we are uncapable to surmount. However it is also worth pointing out that, afaik acceleration is quite common among FPP players (i'm pretty sure fatal1ty used it), where precision is crucial. No matter how trivial it might look, a benefit is a benefit. And of course there's no problem in clicking on gateways, yet it would be helpful if you could increase the speed and precision of doing such things. It's the small things that count. __ tomsOn Wow, never knew that. I would guess that it allows them to do large turns and move their aim very far with a small, quick mouse movement, without setting the speed so high that it's impossible to be accurate even with your smallest possible mouse movements. However, I still can't see how the acceleration would be of any real benefit. Maybe I just need to really experience the difference for myself first =/. One thing seems pretty apparent, though: acceleration doesn't deserve to be treated solely as a performance inhibitor, which is how I think most people view it (including myself before reading this thread). | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On September 13 2003 05:02 VerSerK wrote: Where can i find the acceleration under win xp ?, i dunno if i have it or no, i have full mouse speed I believe this depends on what kind of mouse you have. | ||
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baal
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
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Dick
United States717 Posts
I also believe acceleration could improbe precition in sc | ||
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Guillaume84
Canada86 Posts
It annoys me | ||
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Dick
United States717 Posts
I NEED EBONICS LANGUAGE LESSONS SOON !!! | ||
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dork
Canada2207 Posts
I like low accel, and medium mouse speed | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
anyone else hold the mouse basically with their thumb and ring finger holding its sides with the index and middle finger kind of clawed? | ||
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hasuwar
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 Read a few other posts..I keep the heel of my hand in one spot too, then just push the mouse around with my fingers. Call me crazy, but I never noticed anything actually accelerating even from the beginning when I started using it..it just seems like it's a faster mouse speed. Maybe low is just so low it's unnoticable. I guess that'd explain why I couldn't get used to high acceleration too. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Yarertz
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VerSerK
Argentina326 Posts
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MyztiC`Terran
United States374 Posts
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VerSerK
Argentina326 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10495 Posts
how can i find it? t.t | ||
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hasuwar
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I use a MS explorer 3.0.. came with MS intellipoint software | ||
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BlackJack
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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VerSerK
Argentina326 Posts
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
To turn off mouse acceleration in Windows XP, do the following 1) Open the registry editor (Run => regedit) 2) Select the key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Mouse" 3) Change the entries "MouseThreshold1" and "MouseThreshold2" to 0. 4) Restart Windows Ok, now my $0.02. In my opinion, using acceleration depends greatly on what goals you wish to achieve. BlackMaN, being a zerg player and a macro player, uses maximum acceleration because it suits his gameplay style. I don't exactly see a micro terran player using max speed and max accel, because, while your misclick might be forgiven when selecting the attack point for 6 groups of hydras, miscliking while microing marines vs a lurker can have dire consequences. I believe that you can move your hand fast enough to avoid using acceleration at all, while the exponential factor with acceleration that impedes precision is unavoidable - even if you play a lot with it, you still won't be as precise as someone who doesn't use it :/ | ||
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Ilintar
Poland794 Posts
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MyztiC`Terran
United States374 Posts
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
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Veg
Canada2945 Posts
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Yarertz
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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choader
United States487 Posts
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
I think that disabling this option will be more useful for SC, but I prefer acceleration for some situations in windows where I need to move the cursor by exactly 1 pixel, and this is a lot easier with acceleration turned on rather than off. However, the only time I ever need to move my cursor by exactly one pixel in SC is to ovie-spin, so this should not be a (significant) drawback for me. | ||
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Zob
Germany226 Posts
On playing style: Afair DIDI had a very low corsour-speed. I never saw him playing, but if thats right he might be one of the good gamers that move their arm at playing BW. P.S: if someone is intereste in shooters. Shuuk'gitzz, the german guy that won WCG-UT 2001+2002 has a UT Mouse sensitivity of 1.3 that means he has to move his mouse twice over his full mousepad to make a full tournaround in the Game. | ||
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Tfact_rats
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Crimson
United States311 Posts
six years? that has got to be a record. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
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