EPTIs Soulkey a Bonjwa? Some stats and graphs - Page 3
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HolySmokes
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DropBear
Australia4295 Posts
Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. | ||
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SiarX
95 Posts
On December 09 2024 17:03 HolySmokes wrote: No, SK is not a Bonjwa. He is not playing a race that is considered weak and dominated in a particular matchup, by an elite of the game's all time best players with 70% and 80%+ winrates, on horrible maps. Ironically, Savior made it so that no other Zerg could be called Bonjwa, as he saved ZvT. Now if he were Protoss, and ZvP was really skewed, and the top 5 or so Zergs had 70%+ winrates and were among the best players of all time, and he was destroying these guys in Starleague semifinals and finals doing things you never saw, then yeah he'd be a Bonjwa. Do you mean that terran is considered weak and dominated in particular matchup? | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6761 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4209 Posts
On December 09 2024 18:48 DropBear wrote: Imo there are only 4. Boxer, Nada, oov and savior. Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. JD fan? :p Memory from that golden flash period is still clear that he did look invencible, individually and those reversal all kills for KT Flash :D Jaedong was there to be a worthy rival and to make Flash lool even better because he was so good as well. But you knew in those days that he would 14'cc you and you would be doomed. | ||
KwarK
United States41996 Posts
On December 09 2024 18:48 DropBear wrote: Imo there are only 4. Boxer, Nada, oov and savior. Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. Flash dominated for longer than any of the others mentioned. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10034 Posts
On December 09 2024 18:48 DropBear wrote: Imo there are only 4. Boxer, Nada, oov and savior. Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. FlaSh beat Jaedong in 3 straight MSL/OSLs in 2010. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands582 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands4683 Posts
On December 10 2024 23:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: FlaSh dominated in Kespa and then dominated early ASL and in online proleagues. He is definitely an official bonjwa. Bonjwa is a despicable title to God. Happy birthday btw! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6504 Posts
On December 10 2024 23:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: FlaSh dominated in Kespa and then dominated early ASL and in online proleagues. He is definitely an official bonjwa. Happy Birthday. There is a reason Flash went straight to God and not Bonjwa. And that was way before ASL. His dominance and gameplay was so far ahead from everyone else lol. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands582 Posts
also forgive me for my sins. I should not have calles Flash a bonjwa. He is clearly beyond such titles. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7437 Posts
On December 11 2024 02:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: thanks! also forgive me for my sins. I should not have calles Flash a bonjwa. He is clearly beyond such titles. Happy Birthday, RJB !!!   | ||
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
On December 09 2024 18:48 DropBear wrote: Imo there are only 4. Boxer, Nada, oov and savior. Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. Flash earned the title bonjwa during Kespa era and after Kespa he won 4 ASL title, 3 of which are back to back. He was so dominance that he picked random to make it fair for other players. | ||
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zelevin
United States238 Posts
Notably, Soulkey has a <50% winning rate against Light in the recent months. Weirdly enough, no one is talking about it. With how soulkey destroyed light in SSL, it's hard to care about Light winning in some random bo1's. Soulkey made it look like beating Light was an easy a-move. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands582 Posts
On December 11 2024 09:58 zelevin wrote: With how soulkey destroyed light in SSL, it's hard to care about Light winning in some random bo1's. Soulkey made it look like beating Light was an easy a-move. these are largely from bo7 and bo9 sets. they play almost no bo1s except in proleagues. spons are 3/2, 5/3 or 7/4. ultimate battle is 9 games. chinese version is 7-9 games. one 7/4 set anything can happen because its still a small sample size. | ||
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zelevin
United States238 Posts
these are largely from bo7 and bo9 sets. they play almost no bo1s except in proleagues. spons are 3/2, 5/3 or 7/4. ultimate battle is 9 games. chinese version is 7-9 games. one 7/4 set anything can happen because its still a small sample size. so i hadn't actually looked into it, i guessed, but i was right. https://imgur.com/a/p81l9sO according to liquipedia, the original post is wrong. soulkey has a winning record vs light in both matches and maps. | ||
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cheesehuehue
Vatican City State83 Posts
On December 12 2024 06:37 zelevin wrote: so i hadn't actually looked into it, i guessed, but i was right. https://imgur.com/a/p81l9sO according to liquipedia, the original post is wrong. soulkey has a winning record vs light in both matches and maps. You really have no idea of what you are talking about. Do you really think those are all the games Soulkey and Light have played since 2016 ??? Liquipedia includes a extremely small fraction of all the games pros play. The data I used comes from eloboard (granted, it is also incomplete, but to a much much lesser extent than liquipedia). so i hadn't actually looked into it, i guessed, but i was right. Imagine being this unfoundedly confident. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands582 Posts
On December 12 2024 06:37 zelevin wrote: so i hadn't actually looked into it, i guessed, but i was right. https://imgur.com/a/p81l9sO according to liquipedia, the original post is wrong. soulkey has a winning record vs light in both matches and maps. Don't use liquipedia for your data liquipedia is extremely incomplete. use eloboard. for example this screenshot from eloboard alone already has 6-3 vs soulkey in chinese bo9 and a 2-1 from a bo3. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/eypefCT.png) | ||
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zelevin
United States238 Posts
Imagine being this unfoundedly confident. don't have to imagine, bro. I live it 😎 Don't use liquipedia for your data liquipedia is extremely incomplete. use eloboard. oooooh i didn't know eloboard had that feature. google translate does a good job but doesn't exactly make it obvious | ||
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G5
United States2863 Posts
On December 09 2024 18:48 DropBear wrote: Imo there are only 4. Boxer, Nada, oov and savior. Neither Flash nor Jaedong ever dominated each other enough. And post KeSPA doesn't count. FlaSh is the Bonjwa of Bonjwas. | ||
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