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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
Zerg goes Muta harras, you cannot stop this in anyway unless you go 1 Barracks M&M drop, which of course almost never happens. Zerg keeps Muta harrasing you, so you cannot leave your base. Meanwhile Zerg expands the map and techs to Guardian. You cannot stop the tech because you are being Muta harrassed. You finally have enough defense to move out and attack. By this time your opponent has 24 Gaurdians, GG. What do you do to stop this? | ||
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TheLegend
United States168 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
For any responses from here on assume that I have basic SC knowledge, please. | ||
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ExCeLYou
Canada43 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
iOi;;jiooijoi | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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Snakeyez
Canada456 Posts
uh no...most likely you'll get beat down by muta+speedling | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
nice to see you around again, newblar. Are you back in game? | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
after wcg i wont have a comp so thats it for me and the internet,i'll be finishing high school and looking for a job on a cruiseline  [edit:'in'] | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 08:31 TranCe wrote: hehe,nah im just havin a lonely night tonight,i sold my computer to my aunt last week but shes gonna let me use it until wcg time,so i can practice.i'll be gaming again [in] september,stalk me sometime :-) after wcg i wont have a comp so thats it for me and the internet,i'll be finishing high school and looking for a job on a cruiseline [edit:'in']  I'll look for you when I get internet myself - but its pretty much over (have been for a year or so now) here as well. This box aint no fun anymore. | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
just come on bnet anytime in sept,i'll be doin the 8hrs/day thing again so i shouldn't be hard to find! z7-tranCe west rS.tranCe euro anyway im off,cya around ~~ | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:57 [pG]Rekrul wrote: DOWNLOAD A REPLAY OR ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR BRAIN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK KILL YOURSELF BUT STOP IT WITH THE GAY QUESTIONS NOOB You may play good Rekrul but as u should know you will never make it to a pro, so whats left... that beautiful personality you got that we all love?... see the pool dude, get a hint... ofcourse you can realize that its a game and u were once as newbie as him or you can just say another stupid post and being rekrul again. to not talk about techs that is well known that irradiate and marines is the common tech, ill go straight to how to kill em, IMO its crucial to wait and wait even if he is hitting your buildings or anything else, just dont go rampant to kill them cuz u will be raped, hold hold hold, and when they go in to an open space attack, just attack in an open area, just dont lose patience, wait for an oportunity. | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
[firebird that looks like the one off oldschool] [great movie,go watch it  | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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SurG
Russian Federation798 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 08:57 TranCe wrote: [red dragon is what my car is called on the mean streets of atikokan,ontario] [firebird that looks like the one off oldschool] [great movie,go watch it I was wondering about that yes I'll do my last sc run in september as well | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:24 TheLegend wrote: i like to use irradiate... On August 07 2003 07:32 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: No shit. For any responses from here on assume that I have basic SC knowledge, please. His answer has got to be the best you have received thus far, Now the only thing left is for you to think, Have a nice Day! BTW I missed what ejai said, also Ejai were you the guy I was talkin at wcg to next to e4e5f4? | ||
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IDWIJNI-
Mexico332 Posts
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esk0
Sweden1393 Posts
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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GuMMiBeAR
Sweden564 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
On August 07 2003 08:25 Snakeyez wrote: 1 rax m&m drop beats muta? uh no...most likely you'll get beat down by muta+speedling That would be correct. Imo mutaling is the best counter for this :D | ||
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suLTan[CaN]
Canada322 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2923 Posts
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tokeweed
166 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:57 [pG]Rekrul wrote: DOWNLOAD A REPLAY OR ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR BRAIN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK KILL YOURSELF BUT STOP IT WITH THE GAY QUESTIONS NOOB YEAH!!! AND IF YOU WANNA SEE A TVP GAME D/L REPLAYS OF REKRUL V.S. ELKY!!! THAT'LL SHOW YA! USE YOUR BRAIN!!! | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
2: Irradiate 3: Wraiths 4: Valks (They own the muta's) | ||
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Cresfy
Israel977 Posts
On August 07 2003 13:20 tokeweed wrote: YEAH!!! AND IF YOU WANNA SEE A TVP GAME D/L REPLAYS OF REKRUL V.S. ELKY!!! THAT'LL SHOW YA! USE YOUR BRAIN!!! If I were you, I would duck. | ||
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Abang_Zealot
Indonesia866 Posts
(he = rekrul) | ||
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Ready2[ESC]
Hungary1436 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
Hint for terrans: Guard rush is too risky cuss is too expensive, it's a one way strategy, it fails = u lose. Mass vessel own too, but requires good micro. Jar_Ly | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On August 07 2003 14:36 Jar_Ly wrote: we zergs often forget taking overs to zvt battles You gotta be kidding?? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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Bladox
Canada763 Posts
Maybe the problem is that when your getting harassed you're paying to much atention to mutas and your not producing enough rines.If it is that, only practice will resolve the problem. And BTW go at replays.net and get some TvZ reps and you'll quickly see how terrans are ass-raping zerg even with the muta harrass.. | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
But let me tell u why he has this problem. He wastes most of his time observing my games, when he should be playing instead of observing. I suggest, if u dont want to end up like him Start playing more games and you will deifinitely get the hang of it. I can bet you that in a month or two if you play atleast 5-10 games a day you will be atleast 1-2x's better than you are now. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On August 07 2003 14:45 FrozenArbiter wrote: but with a guardian build they wont have speed, so cloak wraith works yes;( I assume that was no joke ;( Plz, this game exists since ages, any decent player with an early-guardian build expects cloaked wraiths and gets scourges+ ol speed Oh well, lots of answers assumed that he would know the opponents strat from the beginning. so lets say you went standard 2rax, didnt lose any units but forced him to build a few sunkens ( usually 4 when going 2hatch muta ). now when you scan an early hive, immediately secure your expansion vs muta, expand earlier than usually and go for 3rax m&m with good ups( 2 bay)+ vessels. you may wanna build a few more turrets than usual so that you are able to move out with most of your m&ms and keep him from expanding. the best moment imo is when your second vessel finished, so you can take one with your troops and have one in your base, one irradiate can win the game if you get him in a good moment. once you killed his initial (usual) guardian/ling force, expand once more and get 2fac tanks since he will most probably switch to ultras and keep an eye on the islands... | ||
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:37 [pG]Rekrul wrote: :-) stfu | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
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esk0
Sweden1393 Posts
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
Note: I'm not a terran player, I'm not even a good player, if my theory is wrong plz don't flame | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 07 2003 16:49 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: I assume that was no joke ;( Plz, this game exists since ages, any decent player with an early-guardian build expects cloaked wraiths and gets scourges+ ol speed Oh well, lots of answers assumed that he would know the opponents strat from the beginning. so lets say you went standard 2rax, didnt lose any units but forced him to build a few sunkens ( usually 4 when going 2hatch muta ). now when you scan an early hive, immediately secure your expansion vs muta, expand earlier than usually and go for 3rax m&m with good ups( 2 bay)+ vessels. you may wanna build a few more turrets than usual so that you are able to move out with most of your m&ms and keep him from expanding. the best moment imo is when your second vessel finished, so you can take one with your troops and have one in your base, one irradiate can win the game if you get him in a good moment. once you killed his initial (usual) guardian/ling force, expand once more and get 2fac tanks since he will most probably switch to ultras and keep an eye on the islands... Ah ok, I dont play much zvt/tvz ;p Anyway- can't you kill ovvies ;(? Or, micro from scourge but then I suppose the guardians will delay you too much :O | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
(Be sexy!) | ||
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
own muta and dian... 3-4 is enough....but need micro =D | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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ErOs_Probe
Netherlands680 Posts
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
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LuckyCharm
United Kingdom228 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: How do you Beat Guardian Rush as Terran!? By killing the guardians. Or the entire base before the guardians have a chance to be made. You're welcome | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: By killing the guardians. Or the entire base before the guardians have a chance to be made. You're welcome How do you Beat Guardian Rush as Terran!? [/QUOTE]That has got to be the smartest thing anyone has said about this topic. | ||
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doCrepuS
Cook Islands28 Posts
On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: I am absolutely serious, how in fuck's name as Terran do you beat this. Basically: Zerg goes Muta harras, you cannot stop this in anyway unless you go 1 Barracks M&M drop, which of course almost never happens. Zerg keeps Muta harrasing you, so you cannot leave your base. Meanwhile Zerg expands the map and techs to Guardian. You cannot stop the tech because you are being Muta harrassed. You finally have enough defense to move out and attack. By this time your opponent has 24 Gaurdians, GG. What do you do to stop this? oh my god | ||
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CHN_Danger
United States66 Posts
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Imperium
United States614 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
monkey | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
you should have 2839184 rines at that time .. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On August 08 2003 00:07 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: The only replay I have ever seen with a Zerg doing this strategy was YellOw vs Ranger at WCG 2002. What I described above is exactly what happened in that game. And both players are incredibly gosu. S t o p b e i n g So god damn stubborn- E V E R Y S I N G L E TIME YOU ASK FOR ADVICE YOU GET ADVICE AND THEN SAY: BUT IN THIS AND THAT REPLAY THAT HAPPENED AND THE SAME HAPPENS TO ME... I mean geeeeez...... You probably aren't even CLOSE to that level- just as ranger is not even close to yellow's level. K. Do what everyone suggested, if it doesn't work it is YOUR fault, or your opponents for being better! | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
On August 07 2003 21:46 Jar_Ly wrote: Those 4 Valkyries will make good support for the infantry anyway. If the zerg spend the entire game doing mutas he's not going to have gas for a great amount of ultras late game. The ultras doesn't have upgrades (Of Course), and are just a few so there's nothing to worry. The fact that both mutas/ultras take too long to build and are both too expensive make them a bad unit combo that the zerg player cannot keep for long. no offense, but do you really think you can argue with me about starcraft theory....? | ||
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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baal
10541 Posts
On August 08 2003 01:14 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: no offense, but do you really think you can argue with me about starcraft theory....? lol | ||
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NoName
United States1558 Posts
http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=160142&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/2235vs_whear.rep whear vs timothy entertaining game, fast guard countered by cloak wraiths. I liked timothy's retreating(?) sunken build to delay whear's tank. Oh, and whear throws a bunch of turrets pretty early to stop muta harass. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On August 08 2003 03:26 NoName wrote: i just watched a nice fast guard vs T replay http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=160142&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/2235vs_whear.rep whear vs timothy entertaining game, fast guard countered by cloak wraiths. I liked timothy's retreating(?) sunken build to delay whear's tank. Oh, and whear throws a bunch of turrets pretty early to stop muta harass. You kick ass. Since Infinity is fucking good at SC there is no point in argueing with him unless you are better. Also, I mentioned the replay because people kept telling me to "LOOK AT REPLAYS AND STOP ASKING GAY QUESTIONS". I figured I would mention the only rep I knew of. | ||
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Zorglub
Denmark313 Posts
though he puts up a good fight..... | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On August 08 2003 01:14 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: no offense, but do you really think you can argue with me about starcraft theory....? HAHA THATS MY BOY | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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MyztiC`Terran
United States374 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=173185&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/7878sleeping.rus.rep | ||
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88iNcontroL
138 Posts
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GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
m&m terran -_-;; | ||
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IntoTalRainBOw
Canada15 Posts
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
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Jar_Ly
Cuba133 Posts
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