How do you Beat Guardian Rush as Terran!?

On August 07 2003 08:31 TranCe wrote:
hehe,nah im just havin a lonely night tonight,i sold my computer to my aunt last week but shes gonna let me use it until wcg time,so i can practice.i'll be gaming again [in] september,stalk me sometime :-)

after wcg i wont have a comp so thats it for me and the internet,i'll be finishing high school and looking for a job on a cruiseline

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On August 07 2003 07:57 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
DOWNLOAD A REPLAY OR ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR BRAIN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK KILL YOURSELF BUT STOP IT WITH THE GAY QUESTIONS NOOB

On August 07 2003 08:57 TranCe wrote:
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[great movie,go watch it

On August 07 2003 07:24 TheLegend wrote:
i like to use irradiate...

On August 07 2003 07:32 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote:
No shit.

For any responses from here on assume that I have basic SC knowledge, please.

On August 07 2003 08:25 Snakeyez wrote:
1 rax m&m drop beats muta?

uh no...most likely you'll get beat down by muta+speedling

On August 07 2003 07:57 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
DOWNLOAD A REPLAY OR ATTEMPT TO USE YOUR BRAIN IF THAT DOESN'T WORK KILL YOURSELF BUT STOP IT WITH THE GAY QUESTIONS NOOB

On August 07 2003 13:20 tokeweed wrote:


YEAH!!! AND IF YOU WANNA SEE A TVP GAME D/L REPLAYS OF REKRUL V.S. ELKY!!! THAT'LL SHOW YA! USE YOUR BRAIN!!!

On August 07 2003 14:36 Jar_Ly wrote:
we zergs often forget taking overs to zvt battles

On August 07 2003 14:45 FrozenArbiter wrote:
but with a guardian build they wont have speed, so cloak wraith works yes;(

On August 07 2003 16:37 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
:-)

On August 07 2003 16:49 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:


I assume that was no joke ;(
Plz, this game exists since ages, any decent player with an early-guardian build expects cloaked wraiths and gets scourges+ ol speed
Oh well, lots of answers assumed that he would know the opponents strat from the beginning. so lets say you went standard 2rax, didnt lose any units but forced him to build a few sunkens ( usually 4 when going 2hatch muta ). now when you scan an early hive, immediately secure your expansion vs muta, expand earlier than usually and go for 3rax m&m with good ups( 2 bay)+ vessels. you may wanna build a few more turrets than usual so that you are able to move out with most of your m&ms and keep him from expanding. the best moment imo is when your second vessel finished, so you can take one with your troops and have one in your base, one irradiate can win the game if you get him in a good moment. once you killed his initial (usual) guardian/ling force, expand once more and get 2fac tanks since he will most probably switch to ultras and keep an eye on the islands...

On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote:
How do you Beat Guardian Rush as Terran!?

On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote:
How do you Beat Guardian Rush as Terran!?

On August 07 2003 07:21 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote:
I am absolutely serious, how in fuck's name as Terran do you beat this. Basically:

Zerg goes Muta harras, you cannot stop this in anyway unless you go 1 Barracks M&M drop, which of course almost never happens.

Zerg keeps Muta harrasing you, so you cannot leave your base. Meanwhile Zerg expands the map and techs to Guardian. You cannot stop the tech because you are being Muta harrassed.

You finally have enough defense to move out and attack. By this time your opponent has 24 Gaurdians, GG.

What do you do to stop this?

On August 08 2003 00:07 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote:
The only replay I have ever seen with a Zerg doing this strategy was YellOw vs Ranger at WCG 2002. What I described above is exactly what happened in that game. And both players are incredibly gosu.

On August 07 2003 21:46 Jar_Ly wrote:
Those 4 Valkyries will make good support for the infantry anyway. If the zerg spend the entire game doing mutas he's not going to have gas for a great amount of ultras late game. The ultras doesn't have upgrades (Of Course), and are just a few so there's nothing to worry. The fact that both mutas/ultras take too long to build and are both too expensive make them a bad unit combo that the zerg player cannot keep for long.

On August 08 2003 01:14 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:


no offense, but do you really think you can argue with me about starcraft theory....?

On August 08 2003 03:26 NoName wrote:
i just watched a nice fast guard vs T replay

http://www.wgtour.com/match.php?action=dl&datab=broodwar&id=160142&url=upload/ladder/broodwar/2235vs_whear.rep

whear vs timothy

entertaining game, fast guard countered by cloak wraiths. I liked timothy's retreating(?) sunken build to delay whear's tank. Oh, and whear throws a bunch of turrets pretty early to stop muta harass.

On August 08 2003 01:14 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:


no offense, but do you really think you can argue with me about starcraft theory....?