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Cruiser0929
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516 Posts
February 05 2024 18:16 GMT
#1
It's very embarrassing, but I'm very happy that changes like this are made without any notice.

MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
February 05 2024 18:20 GMT
#2
Yes it is truly frustrating when changes are made without any notice.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3488 Posts
February 05 2024 18:30 GMT
#3
i m happy they seem to have settled with that option though: ladder reset into ASL maps. It s a good move going forward
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6992 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-05 19:05:26
February 05 2024 19:05 GMT
#4
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New Ladder Map Pool Update and Replay Save Policy Change – February 5, 2024

Greetings Cerebrates, Commanders, and Executors,

We’ve updated the Ladder map pool today as below.

(2) Blitz Y 1.0

(2) Neo Dark Origin 2.1

(3) Apocalypse_1.4

(4) Citadel1.0

(4) Fighting_Spirit_1.3

(4) Radeon 1.0

(4) Retro 1.2

(4) TroySE2.0

(4) Vermeer SE_2.1

Along with the Ladder map pool update, we will be changing the replay save policy.

Starting March 1st, PT, replays saved on cloud will be removed after 30 days. Replays saved on your local hard drive will not be affected. If you would like to keep your replays currently saved on cloud, we recommend to download them before March 1st, PT.

Thank you!

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/new-ladder-map-pool-replay-save-updates-february-5-2024/3520
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3220 Posts
February 05 2024 19:31 GMT
#5
Seems like they are sticking with the formula ASL maps + FS + Vermeer. It's quite okay but could be improved a little bit by changing Vermeer Polypoid. We already have Vermeer remake in Radeon already. Well at least it means somebody is now working at Blizzard for SC.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
February 05 2024 19:46 GMT
#6
Oh man Troy on ladder? I might have to start playing again!
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 05 2024 19:47 GMT
#7
Cool stuff, I guess.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States735 Posts
February 05 2024 19:52 GMT
#8
Yay!! I just hope they don't get cold feet when ASL brings out some really weird ones
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
February 05 2024 20:22 GMT
#9
On February 06 2024 04:46 Qikz wrote:
Oh man Troy on ladder? I might have to start playing again!


My guess is that 99% of players on ladder will be banning it lol
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12041 Posts
February 05 2024 20:26 GMT
#10
On February 06 2024 05:22 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2024 04:46 Qikz wrote:
Oh man Troy on ladder? I might have to start playing again!


My guess is that 99% of players on ladder will be banning it lol


The other player who doesn't ban it and I can have fun playing it together haha
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
February 05 2024 23:43 GMT
#11
Map pool:

2017 Season 1 14/08 (dd/mm)
(3) Outsider
(4) Arcadia II
(4) Python
(4) Nostalgia
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breaker

2017 Season 2 07/12
(2) Destination
(2) Match Point
(3) Tau Cross
(3) Longinus II
(4) Neo Jade
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breaker

2018 Season 1 12/04
(2) Destination
(3) Transistor
(3) Tau Cross
(3) Longinus II
(4) Gladiator
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breaker

2018 Season 2 25/07
(2) Blue Storm
(2) Polaris Rhapsody
(2) Heart Break Ridge 2.1
(3) Aztec 2.1
(4) Roadkill 1.13
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breaker

2018 Season 3 02/10
(2) Benzene 1.1
(2) Heart Break Ridge 2.1
(3) Aztec 2.1
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) In the Way of an Eddy 1.05
(4) Roadkill 1.13

2019 Season 1 03/02
(2) Cross Game
(2) Overwatch
(3) Neo Medusa
(4) Circuit Breaker
(4) Colosseum II
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Neo Ground Zero

2019 Season 2 10/07
(2) Overwatch
(2) Tres Pass
(3) Power Bond
(4) BlockChainSE 2.1
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0
(4) Gladiator 1.1

2019 Season 3 20/11
(2) Destination
(2) Heartbreak Ridge
(3) Neo_Sylphid
(3) Whiteout
(4) Circuit Breaker
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Gladiator

2020 Season 1 14/02
(2) Hitchhiker 1.2
(2) New Bloody Ridge
(3) Neo_Sylphid 2.0
(4) La Mancha 1.1
(4) Escalade
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Circuit Breakers 1.0

2020 Season 2 29/05
(2) Eclipse
(2) Match Point
(3) New Sylphid
(3) Reap the Storm
(4) Polypoid
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breakers

2020 Season 3 09/10
(2) Benzen
(2) Eclipse
(3) Plasma
(4) Polypoid
(4) Ringing Bloom
(4) Fighting Spirit
(4) Circuit Breakers

2021 season 1 10/02
(2) Benzen 1.1
(2) Eclipse 1.2
(3) Plasma 1.0
(4) Optimizer 1.0
(4) Polypoid 1.6
(4) Ringing Bloom SE 2.0
(4) Shakuras Temple 1.1

2021 season 2 29/09
(2) Eclipse 1.2
(3) Ascension 1.0
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Good Night 1.3
(4) Largo 1.5
(4) Polypoid 1.65
(4) Revolver 1.0

2022 season 1 08/09
(2) Butter 2.0C
(2) Eclipse 1.2
(3) Sylphid 3.0
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) Nemesis (ASL)
(4) Polypoid 1.65
(4) Vermeer SE 2.1

2023 season 1 31/08
(2) Invader 1.0
(2) Neo Dark Origin
(3) Apocalypse
(4) Fighting Spirit 1.3
(4) La Campanella 1.1
(4) Polypoid 1.75
(4) Retro 1.2
(4) Tempest 1.1
(4) Vermeer SE 2.1

2024 season 1 05/02
(2) Blitz Y 1.0
(2) Neo Dark Origin 2.1
(3) Apocalypse_1.4
(4) Citadel1.0
(4) Fighting_Spirit_1.3
(4) Radeon 1.0
(4) Retro 1.2
(4) TroySE2.0
(4) Vermeer SE_2.1
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
February 05 2024 23:47 GMT
#12
The other player who doesn't ban it and I can have fun playing it together haha

I never ban any maps on ladder. I love different maps, I can't understand why people just only play on 1-2 boring maps like FS 1.3 or Poly 1.65

You can veto some maps, but you can't veto your skill. You have your rank, if you have 7-9 vetoes, you still stay your rank.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51607 Posts
February 06 2024 07:31 GMT
#13
the more interesting/important thing IMO is the cloud replays only lasting 30 days.
i guess this is to get around the API loophole that devs have been using to access ladder games?
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Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2368 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-06 08:48:58
February 06 2024 08:34 GMT
#14
On February 06 2024 16:31 GTR wrote:
the more interesting/important thing IMO is the cloud replays only lasting 30 days.
i guess this is to get around the API loophole that devs have been using to access ladder games?

That "loophole" could simply be closed with minimal effort and without affecting past cloud replays.
I'm pretty sure this is about cost saving. Blizzard doesn't seem to have use of old replays, and they simply don't want to pay for the cloud storage.
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3694 Posts
February 06 2024 11:09 GMT
#15
Oh wow that was fast! Kudos to Blizzard, for once we didn't have to start begging after ~1 year of having the same map pool.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 06 2024 12:08 GMT
#16
On February 06 2024 20:09 Lorch wrote:
Oh wow that was fast! Kudos to Blizzard, for once we didn't have to start begging after ~1 year of having the same map pool.

5 months seems like the perfect lenght to me. Maybe even 6. Two seasons a year basically.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
February 06 2024 12:11 GMT
#17
9 maps instead of 7 is also good and I hope they will keep doing seasons this way.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1094 Posts
February 06 2024 14:07 GMT
#18
On February 06 2024 08:47 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
The other player who doesn't ban it and I can have fun playing it together haha

I never ban any maps on ladder. I love different maps, I can't understand why people just only play on 1-2 boring maps like FS 1.3 or Poly 1.65


So why don't you ban Fighting Spirit, that's the only map I had banned last season
Kraekkling
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
702 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-06 14:44:49
February 06 2024 14:43 GMT
#19
This is great.

Just a small detail: we could have used Fighting Spirit 1.4, which makes use of the more balanced L-shaped minerals for left side spawns. Other than that, it is identical to FS1.3. The map was already played in a few foreign tournaments.

(*^^)(^*)
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1792 Posts
February 06 2024 18:52 GMT
#20
On February 06 2024 20:09 Lorch wrote:
Oh wow that was fast! Kudos to Blizzard, for once we didn't have to start begging after ~1 year of having the same map pool.


well, they only changed it because they were asked to. As per usual. They don't do anything on their own accord.
LML
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-07 01:13:55
February 07 2024 01:13 GMT
#21
awesome! keep the changes coming to the map pool semi-frequently. rare blizz/microsoft W

i kind of like being surprised like this.
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FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
February 07 2024 06:59 GMT
#22
The only thing I really dont get - how is Fighting Spirit still in there. Like Polypoid or Vermeer is "the new" Fighting Spirit.

It is a bit like Luna, Circuit Breaker or Phyton being "the map" during a certain time period.

But it really feels like Fighting Spirit is so much past its prime.. For me personally (I veto it 99% of the time) it feels almost as weird as if Pyhton or Lost Temple would be in the ladder map pool.

Other than that.. as long as Vermeer or Polypoid are in the pool we have "iconic" maps.. I think we are good in that lane..
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
February 07 2024 20:13 GMT
#23
Glad they made some changes but wished they had ditched fighting spirit and left polypoid in!
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-08 00:13:13
February 08 2024 00:11 GMT
#24
So why don't you ban Fighting Spirit, that's the only map I had banned last season

FS 1.3 is just a map, but this map is the most unfair map I've ever seen.

Look at the picture, you see: if you are at 11 o'clock, you can't take your 3rd base at num1, it's so near your enemy, so hard to defend. You have to take it at num2, but it's so far to defend again, it's important you have no a narrow path to come num2. Regardless you choose num1 or num2, you still fall to bad condition to your enemy.

Contradictory, you are at 1 o'clock, you are so easy to take your 3rd base at num3, it's safe, near and comfortable for move. This map just fair and balance when 2 players at cross each other. If not, one of player will win before buying the first worker.

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FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
February 08 2024 00:25 GMT
#25
FS is horrible and should be no longer in the ladder pool.. same like python Luna or LT rofl
FT.aCt)Sony
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1048 Posts
February 08 2024 15:28 GMT
#26
On February 08 2024 09:25 FriedrichNietzsche wrote:
FS is horrible and should be no longer in the ladder pool.. same like python Luna or LT rofl


Sounds like someone wasn't able to deal with adhoc creativity when lings run through their main since they are unable to full wall off with eggs.

Reactionary play > cookie cutter cuck style.
End1ess
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada77 Posts
February 08 2024 17:34 GMT
#27
FS is meant for new players rank C and below. It's a good map to learn builds. All the Korean pro use this map to teach new players.
Dunno why ppl cry for FS in ladder map when you can vote it out.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6992 Posts
February 08 2024 21:43 GMT
#28
Fighting Spirit is one of the greatest maps in SC history. Way to advanced for his time when it was released. Simple but great design. The units flow very well ( apart from vortex bugs in ramps.) Yeah it gets boring to play it over and over but considering there are 9 maps on ladder is not even a big deal anymore. If im honest most of the games i played on FS last year were enjoyable.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10455 Posts
February 08 2024 23:03 GMT
#29
Metas evolve and maps get figured out. Current map design is making better versions of Fighting Spirit, but you can deny that Fighting Spirit's "easier/safer" 3rd base and defensible natural style was a huge turning point in map making and a feature that practically every map these days emulates in some way. If you don't like FS, just ban it. I personally ban it since I find it boring.
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FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
February 09 2024 07:25 GMT
#30
Yeah. Agreed FS was THE defining map. As was LT early on as was Luna for a time as was Python for a time as was Polypoid and Vermeer..

But it didnt age particular well. Im vetoing it 99% of the time. But if e.g. Polypoid isnt in the pool and FS is something about that just irks me..
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1171 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-09 08:55:01
February 09 2024 08:54 GMT
#31
Python was popular for a few years, as used to be Luna, and LT.
Playing FS for 15+ years is boring AF ;x

My single and most consistently vetoed map since SC:R got released.
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