EPTAlthough I play Terran and TvT is my best matchup, I also like watch TvT most. I said more times, if StarCraft remove Protoss and Zerg, this game is the best eSports ever made all time.
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What would you like to see in the next ASL?
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
Although I play Terran and TvT is my best matchup, I also like watch TvT most. I said more times, if StarCraft remove Protoss and Zerg, this game is the best eSports ever made all time. | ||
GTR
51497 Posts
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Nirli
Bulgaria378 Posts
Not to inflame the Tesagi fellows, but I believe every game suffers when its best player isn't participating. I'm also OK with more crazy maps and non-T favored maps. Would be nice if Larva made an appearance, although that won't help the Protoss cause at all | ||
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namkraft
508 Posts
And I don't think Protoss is saved by island maps. If anything it's the Zerg. The overlord becomes the MVP of the match. | ||
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femtehjulet
18 Posts
On September 14 2023 15:17 namkraft wrote: Jangbi. And complete island maps. And I don't think Protoss is saved by island maps. If anything it's the Zerg. The overlord becomes the MVP of the match. Zerg is historicly weak on island maps. Thats why they made sparkle like they did. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2288 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1598 Posts
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Soulforged
Latvia934 Posts
Just 10 mineral patches in main, no backdoors to main/natural, vulnerable & distant 3rd will already go a long way. | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
P.S. I hate TvT. It's the only matchup I won't watch. Super boring 90% of the time imo. Hoping for anything but a TvT finals again. | ||
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Postaljester_
33 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
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Katkishka
United States657 Posts
Real answer: better, less gimmicky/whacky maps that seem to be autolosses in certain matchups, and better players (this obviously won't happen, but I sure do miss the good old days when pros were at their peaks.) | ||
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End1ess
Canada74 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3413 Posts
But more importantly i d like Flash to play as Protoss and dominate with it ;p | ||
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Ideas
United States8143 Posts
Bo3 for winners/losers/finals in the Ro24 maybe removal of Bo7s (too long, less interesting cheese/strategic builds, less room for upsets). edit - some kind of map pool that dissuades hydra busts because the pvz meta is SO stale... Not sure exactly what this would be though. I'm guessing maybe something like God's Garden? Free backdoor expo and easy regular nat? No idea though. | ||
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
Current ro16 format used in ro24 All bo3 in ro16 | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines589 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States711 Posts
Generally, I'd be stoked to see some maps with funky mineral and gas layouts. Like a 2nd geyser in the main that you need 6 workers to mine from effectively that is covered by air by hold-position hostile neutral valks. In fact, hostile neutral units could be added in creative ways to enable otherwise imbalanced map layouts. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13293 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2719 Posts
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PaxViaAtomi
United States17 Posts
 More seriously, I'd love to see Fantasy take a crack at ASL. As well as more active attempts to rig the maps in favor of Protoss  I'd also like if all matches were at minimum BO3 instead of the BO1's for RO24 Set 1 and Set 2 but there seems to be monetary issues preventing that. On September 15 2023 05:43 Ideas wrote: Soundproof booths Yes!!! It's extremely hard to believe the players can't tell when the crowd is acting up. I've never been to a live ASL match and I've never played on a stage in front of a large crowd... but I suspect you can tell when a crowd is getting excited. When a bunch of people make noise you can feel the vibrations and the current set-ups do nothing to address that!! | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3413 Posts
On September 17 2023 08:30 PaxViaAtomi wrote: I want to see Flash return as Protoss and show everyone how it's done More seriously, I'd love to see Fantasy take a crack at ASL. As well as more active attempts to rig the maps in favor of Protoss I'd also like if all matches were at minimum BO3 instead of the BO1's for RO24 Set 1 and Set 2 but there seems to be monetary issues preventing that. Yes!!! It's extremely hard to believe the players can't tell when the crowd is acting up. I've never been to a live ASL match and I've never played on a stage in front of a large crowd... but I suspect you can tell when a crowd is getting excited. When a bunch of people make noise you can feel the vibrations and the current set-ups do nothing to address that!! When you are in the booth, they usually play with the lights in such a way that s it s really hard to see the crowd from the booth, but the sound is the real issue and normally you have your/the game music + a sort of noise cancelling headset on top and then the booth. That was the wcg setup and we had to test it before tournaments in various ways. It usually worked well enough. ASL booth seem a bit less advanced and also perhaps they don't use noise cancelling setup at all. The room and stage are also much smaller so it s harder to isolate the sound too given the space constraints. | ||
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Miragee
8594 Posts
On September 14 2023 23:52 Postaljester_ wrote: The commonly held belief is that brood war is best balanced through maps. If so I want to see maps that help toss stop hydra busts. Yep, hydra busts have become a bane to ZvP. It's so boring seeing the game end to a 3h hydra 50 % of the time. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4226 Posts
that's it would improve the tournament quality immensely | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7816 Posts
Bo3 Match up A Bo3 Match up B Bo1 Winners Bo1 Losers Bo1 Deciding match for 2nd place Or maybe that’s stupid, I don’t know. The only thing I’d like for the next ASL is Flash returning. Better PvZ maps would be nice as well but not sure how that effects the other match ups. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
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Sonic_md
Moldova275 Posts
Something really needs to change. Firstly: the bad thing is that in Ro24 all the games are BO1. Secondly: Maybe you can make Ro32 BEFORE Ro24, i.e. increase the number of participants in the group. Qualifying games for Ro24 are good, but we don’t see all of them (although the organizers probably show more or less interesting games). Thirdly: maybe it’s possible to somehow attract players from universities (If I’m not mistaken, Calm holds some kind of tournament among students). It is clear that perhaps even the champion of the student league will be weaker than most of the top players. but still it will be something new. Fourth: allow foreign players to take part (possibly allow to play online up to stage 1/4). That is why it is necessary to possibly expand Ro24 to Ro36 or Ro48 Surely the presence in the groups of the strongest players from Europe, the USA, China, South America, etc. will bring something new to this tournament. (This may be of interest to some cyber television (channels) of the countries from which their representative plays.) (Well, perhaps other players, due to the fact that online qualifiers are allowed, will begin to train harder) Fifth: Do some kind of collaboration with Bombastic. Take for example the champion of the next (or last) BSL. P.S. It is possible to somehow give some 2 quotas to the finalist of the WOMEN'S ASL league. But something needs to change. The format of the games has been the same for 15 seasons, we need to introduce something new. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4226 Posts
idk why this isn't the case, especially since BW is so much popular than SC2 in S. Korea.. I think that even if they've opened donations to lessen the tournament running spending load would be a good idea. They already have this in place for GSL, too. Ahh. a man can dream, doesn't he.. | ||
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Piste
6180 Posts
On September 15 2023 05:26 WGT-Baal wrote: But more importantly i d like Flash to play as Protoss and dominate with it ;p This | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On September 19 2023 20:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote: 3 ASLs a year and 2 GSLs a year would also be great idk why this isn't the case, especially since BW is so much popular than SC2 in S. Korea.. I think that even if they've opened donations to lessen the tournament running spending load would be a good idea. They already have this in place for GSL, too. Ahh. a man can dream, doesn't he.. While I certainly would love that change, I believe the issue is mostly that Blizzard charges a ton of money to run BW tournaments (if someone knows they aren't still doing that, please correct me). Plus a lot of the players are streamers who lose money by not streaming in order to practice. On September 19 2023 14:17 Sonic_md wrote: Unfortunately, no matter how much we want our favorite game to live for a long time. But it seems to me that the ASL format is slowly fading. If you don’t change anything, then ASL will last another 3-4 seasons (~2 years), then it will be a little boring (probably). Something really needs to change. Firstly: the bad thing is that in Ro24 all the games are BO1. Secondly: Maybe you can make Ro32 BEFORE Ro24, i.e. increase the number of participants in the group. Qualifying games for Ro24 are good, but we don’t see all of them (although the organizers probably show more or less interesting games). Thirdly: maybe it’s possible to somehow attract players from universities (If I’m not mistaken, Calm holds some kind of tournament among students). It is clear that perhaps even the champion of the student league will be weaker than most of the top players. but still it will be something new. Fourth: allow foreign players to take part (possibly allow to play online up to stage 1/4). That is why it is necessary to possibly expand Ro24 to Ro36 or Ro48 Surely the presence in the groups of the strongest players from Europe, the USA, China, South America, etc. will bring something new to this tournament. (This may be of interest to some cyber television (channels) of the countries from which their representative plays.) (Well, perhaps other players, due to the fact that online qualifiers are allowed, will begin to train harder) Fifth: Do some kind of collaboration with Bombastic. Take for example the champion of the next (or last) BSL. P.S. It is possible to somehow give some 2 quotas to the finalist of the WOMEN'S ASL league. But something needs to change. The format of the games has been the same for 15 seasons, we need to introduce something new. I don't think having worse players in the tournament is likely to improve it. If they were going to do something like you suggest, I think it would be better to do it as a whole separate league (like an expanded ACS). | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
More bo3+ games. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
On September 17 2023 16:49 Miragee wrote: Yep, hydra busts have become a bane to ZvP. It's so boring seeing the game end to a 3h hydra 50 % of the time. We're back in 2009/2010 again. 3 hatch hydra was the way most proleague games involving PvZ ended. | ||
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Ideas
United States8143 Posts
On September 20 2023 22:46 Qikz wrote: We're back in 2009/2010 again. 3 hatch hydra was the way most proleague games involving PvZ ended. Yea maybe it's just the nature of the MU if protoss goes for FE? lol Forge FE has been around since 2007 and we're still seeing at least attempted hydra bust all the time. There was a period in 2008/2009 where it was out of style (still happened a lot but not nearly as frequently as today IIRC) and zergs developed 3 hatch spire -> 5 hatch muta to combat it. I think it was specifically the map Destination that made hydra bust kinda hard? Although at same time it seemed really hard for protoss to develop good sim city doing forge FE for a while. By the end of that map's life-cycle I think map balance was pretty reversed though in favor of Z lol. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1498 Posts
On September 18 2023 12:27 BLinD-RawR wrote: more people to help me with coverage lol How much does it pay? | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria378 Posts
3,50 BGN. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19299 Posts
I couldn’t honestly tell you. I’ve personally never collected a dime despite writing for over a decade. When I do have time to write, I do it cause I love the community and want to give back to you guys. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
Card1 x--------------------------x TEMPEST T v Z 0-1 x--------------------------x Card2 x----------------------------------------x Soulkey ~~~~~~~JYJ v ALL 1-0 ~~~~~~v ALL None v T None ~~~~~~ v Z None x----------------------------------------x What is the point of this? Either collect stats from other tourneys too (Ultimate battle event perhaps, it is run by the same organisers | KCM as it is also using the same map pool and is a weekly competition | use maps for multiple seasons | etc.?) or just don't show this. And also, the Ro8 preview from BR reminded me how interesting it is to hear & see more discussion about the maps, it is a shame they are only discussed in the Ro24 1st stream(? -- not clearly remembering this one) It is a cool improvement that now they show repeats after all games starting from ro24 | ||
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