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It's really fascinating to me, lore-wise, that Protoss team up with the Terran to defeat the Zerg. You can kind of imagine a sort of cataclysmic battle between the Zerg and the Terran. But then it becomes apparent to the Terran that Protoss are superior to Terran in every way. People associate Terran with a yes/no and true/false attitude that humans take toward determinism. While I think most people resist determinism, it's mostly because they don't know what it portends. In fact, if there was anything that a Protoss and Terran had in common, it would be that they would probably agree on the binary nature of relationships. At the end of the day, you just want a necessary reason for why a certain thing happens and not something else.
The Zerg are pretty much immune to this sort of query, which I guess is their superiority. On the other hand, in reality if Terran stand any chance against the Zerg, then Protoss would be pretty much judgment day. There's obviously no way the Zerg stand any chance at all against Protoss if they're struggling with Terran. And, unlike Terran you wouldn't expect Protoss to struggle with minor egotistical issues which curtail their function.
At the end of the day we're always asking questions about deep things. While a Terran's deep thoughts probably wouldn't be very entertaining to the Protoss, they would still have some idiosyncratic features that would stand out. In all probability, the Protoss would find the Zerg mildly amusing. I still find it funny that Fenix basically suffers a battery expiration and then dies to some Hydralisks. There's really no killing a hero like that, and you can imagine Fenix grappling with most of the Zerg units. Granted, not even a hero could probably punch out something like an Ultralisk, but Hydralisks and Zerglings would be entertaining.
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Nothing but another typical screed by a humanoid/bi-pedal propagandist too high on their own farts and their individualist philosophy! It is astounding to me that non-eusocial-species manage any cooperation at all as it's always merely happenstance and ends as soon as any party feels that their own ends are not satisfied anymore.
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On July 17 2023 02:19 KrillinFromwales wrote:
People associate Terran with a yes/no and true/false attitude that humans take toward determinism. While I think most people resist determinism, it's mostly because they don't know what it portends. In fact, if there was anything that a Protoss and Terran had in common, it would be that they would probably agree on the binary nature of relationships.
Determinism states that every effect has a cause. It's not about not having a gray scale towards decisions.
The Protoss rely on technology, and technology can fail. That's why it's not weird that Fenix had died like that. It's Murphy's Law.
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On July 17 2023 21:30 Lavalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2023 02:19 KrillinFromwales wrote:
People associate Terran with a yes/no and true/false attitude that humans take toward determinism. While I think most people resist determinism, it's mostly because they don't know what it portends. In fact, if there was anything that a Protoss and Terran had in common, it would be that they would probably agree on the binary nature of relationships. Determinism states that every effect has a cause. It's not about not having a gray scale towards decisions. The Protoss rely on technology, and technology can fail. That's why it's not weird that Fenix had died like that. It's Murphy's Law.
Determinism is a pretty deep concept when you think about it. Although, I think at heart of the problem is the inherent resistance to simplification, there is something deceptive about the idea that everything has a cause. The question, of course, is whether the cause can be put into language. And then, if we put the cause into language do people agree on it? Philosophers today tend to resist social constructivism, which is the idea generally speaking that people are the causes of fundamental properties. But what would a Protoss say? For instance, is there any cause that a Terran could bring up that would make sense to a Protoss? For instance, a Terran might say, I think X caused Y. But to a Protoss this might be either so fundamentally silly or so fundamentally enlightening that it wouldn't be possible to take seriously.
edit: Like think about a Terran lockingdown an Arbiter. To a Protoss, this can only really be conceived of as a sort of fantastical joke, like the end of Independence Day, or something like that. The idea that any Terran technology could be effectively weaponized against the Protoss would come across as humor.
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On July 17 2023 20:46 sophisticated wrote:
Nothing but another typical screed by a humanoid/bi-pedal propagandist too high on their own farts and their individualist philosophy! It is astounding to me that non-eusocial-species manage any cooperation at all as it's always merely happenstance and ends as soon as any party feels that their own ends are not satisfied anymore.
Preach it! Everyone knows P and T are incapable of deep thoughts... UNITE AGAINST THE BIPEDALS!!! For the Swarm, For the Hive!
Brood War is BONKERS... There is no doubt about that. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy (but we can ally temporarily)...
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On July 20 2023 16:11 KrillinFromwales wrote:
edit: Like think about a Terran lockingdown an Arbiter. To a Protoss, this can only really be conceived of as a sort of fantastical joke, like the end of Independence Day, or something like that. The idea that any Terran technology could be effectively weaponized against the Protoss would come across as humor.
I don't think Terrans could stand against the Protoss in the 26th century, neither against the Zerg... But the game had to be balanced 🙃
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Of course. Although I remember the Archon being one of the best units in those 9999 games where the damage could be fully upgraded for 1 Archon. I have no idea if EMP was allowed or even if it mattered. A 255 Armor Archon is as good as anything, and of course it has splash.
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255 armor Archon dies after 20 hits of anything, like ling/rine.
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit.
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On July 22 2023 19:01 MeSaber wrote:
255 armor Archon dies after 20 hits of anything, like ling/rine.
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit.
I've been playing the game for a while and didn't know there was a lower bound. I never pay enough attention *face palm*.
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The lower bound is Zero, which occurs on a miss. The upper bound is infinity, although if you don't use the terms supremum and infimum, people will think you are not educated. Regardless of a lower bound of Zero, the Protoss IQ is probably about 420. On the other hand, I seriously doubt the Zerg IQ is 69, unless it is constantly looking into a mirror backwards.
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On July 23 2023 05:33 KrillinFromwales wrote:
The lower bound is Zero, which occurs on a miss. The upper bound is infinity, although if you don't use the terms supremum and infimum, people will think you are not educated. Regardless of a lower bound of Zero, the Protoss IQ is probably about 420. On the other hand, I seriously doubt the Zerg IQ is 69, unless it is constantly looking into a mirror backwards.
A miss isnt damage though so yes i question your iq.
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 and highest 9999.
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On July 23 2023 05:40 MeSaber wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 05:33 KrillinFromwales wrote:
The lower bound is Zero, which occurs on a miss. The upper bound is infinity, although if you don't use the terms supremum and infimum, people will think you are not educated. Regardless of a lower bound of Zero, the Protoss IQ is probably about 420. On the other hand, I seriously doubt the Zerg IQ is 69, unless it is constantly looking into a mirror backwards. A miss isnt damage though so yes i question your iq. Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 and highest 9999.
This is like saying infinity is a number and not a primitive function. Infinity is a symbol representing a primitive function. Suppose a Protoss Scarab explodes but doesn't damage anything. For one, the ammunition is exhausted. Secondly, it's not the same event as a Tank missing other Terran units. A Protoss Scarab doesn't damage Protoss on detonation, unless the Protoss is an opponent.
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On July 23 2023 05:33 KrillinFromwales wrote:
The lower bound is Zero, which occurs on a miss.
On July 22 2023 19:01 MeSaber wrote:
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit.
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit.
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On July 23 2023 23:45 Lavalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2023 05:33 KrillinFromwales wrote:
The lower bound is Zero, which occurs on a miss. Show nested quote +On July 22 2023 19:01 MeSaber wrote:
Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit. Lowest dmg possible is 0.5 points per hit.
I'm sure it's more ambiguous than this. For instance, if you have Shield upgrades or Carapace upgrades there's the regeneration factor. Rounding is involved and it would be difficult to determine the exact quantity.
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