Pimpest Play corsair micro

On January 06 2023 18:34 RKC wrote:
Great diagram and explanation, Professor MeSaber!

I can almost picture Maverick waking up from cryogenic sleep, jumping into the cockpit of corsairs and valks, and gunning down scourges to defend Earth from a Zerg invasion...

BTW who's the Protoss player from the OP video? Pretty insane skills all round to beat Queen!

On January 07 2023 10:04 Return wrote:


mini

On January 05 2023 07:50 MeSaber wrote:
The micro of sair is difficult to explain but easy to show.

What happens is that all air units have turn speed and some sort of velocity towards a direction. When you click in a triangle really fast with air units the unit will "dance". It will not lose its velocity towards the original direction but spin around anyway and thats the moment it gets the chance to shoot once until it starts moving (visually) in the original direction again.

Valk/Devourer micro is the same but they are shoot once then long pause. Sair has to do this spin frequently to be useful.

You can do another dance this way: Move sair towards direction West, click south-southeast then quickly north-northeast and repeat. What will happen is the sair will keep moving West while visually never moving West, rather looking like its moving East.

From a coding perspective this is logical as ground units stands still when turning while air units do not and that would look ugly.

'Turning velocity' is probably the word im looking for.

This turning also fools scourges as they have a vector collision prediction that makes em stop as they think sair turned around and collision is imminent. This calculation what i can visually see happens a few frames apart (nearly a second) so if you do this turn at the wrong time (just after prediction has been done) there is a big chance of hitting the scourge because its flying towards you at high speed until it does a new calculation.

This can be heavily abused and you can visually see when it happens by going in circles with your sair having scourge chasing you. You will notice the scourge always lagging behind because it tries to hit you at your old location which is not the newest one as you keep turning in a circle.

This is also how you muta micro vs scourge in a circle. You attack as this calculation is done.

A neat trick to gain space from scourge is to turn sharp left then quickly right. Scourge predicts a collision in a triangle to the left and goes there meanwhile you turn the other direction and gets great distance away.

Edit: Replay https://ufile.io/xsl344m8 at the final seconds you can see Carrier 'facing' West but moving East.

Explanation:

Without looking at the code, this could be misinformation but i highly doubt it according to testing

I did a similar explanation here which is just as pretty: https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/567296-hard-time-with-patrol-air-micro

On January 07 2023 16:30 RKC wrote:


Not surprising. Only mini and Bisu can play such high-tempo aggro style against a top Zerg like Queen. Hope he comes back stronger next ASL!

On January 08 2023 00:49 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:


Very nice explanation. But with long range units you are increasing the attack rate this way especially for Devourers while keeping out of range. At least that's what I think the big deal was last time this was discussed in detail.

I always keep MeSaber on, when dealing with Sith magic! ^_._^

On January 08 2023 06:22 MeSaber wrote:


Thats indeed the purpose with valk at least, to gain more space to be able to shoot more, possibly outmicro your opponent and gain a hefty advantage.

There is also a case where valk gives back controls before completing firing cycle if range is too far. I havent figured out exactly how to manipulate this yet. When thats cracked you could shoot with valks and move em wherever you want meanwhile still shooting

On January 08 2023 07:18 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:


Maybe the problem where they wouldn't shoot was actually the solution to them being supermicroed.... It was ALL part of the grand plan!!!

On January 10 2023 19:57 Freakling wrote:
Isn't it always the same principle as in the "Chinese Triangle" Muta micro?

Valkyrie seems special as it never fails to shoot after a Patrol command no matter the attack angle used.

That sprite limit bug still isnt fixed with "extended unit limit". Still get the same issue in some games.

On January 11 2023 08:05 MeSaber wrote:
The jerk you are talking about is when your Valk turns the wrong direction ie away from the target instead of towards.

Patrol has to "pass" the target as it turns, if you do it in the other direction you get the same jerk as with Wraith shown in replay above when it finds a target outside the arc and has to stop and turn around to shoot.

This is why you cannot blindly click Patrol behind the Valk (or any other unit for that matter), you have to account for the turning direction to be correct.