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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-02 15:08:56
January 02 2023 15:07 GMT
#1
ASL S15 official maps are decided.

—> https://910map.tistory.com/163

(2)Dark Origin 0.95
(2)New Heartbreak Ridge 2.2
(3)Neo_Sylphid 3.0
(4)76 0.90
(4)Nemesis 1.0
(4)Retro 0.95
(4)Vermeer SE 2.1

It seems an announcement is coming Jan 9th.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-02 15:46:21
January 02 2023 15:46 GMT
#2
Heartbreak Ridge <3 no </3 today

Dark Origin is giving me Destination vibes.

Is Retro just good FS?

76 looks fun!

How did Nemesis get another season Vermeer and Neo Sylphid are good standards though
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ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
797 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-02 16:45:22
January 02 2023 16:44 GMT
#3
Cool. Congrats to all the map creators who got their work accepted.

Not that many people care, but do we know who is the creator of (2) Shin Danjang's Ridge 2.2? Curious because the map creator name is missing.

76 by KD_MAN was submitted to NWMC3

Very cool to see at least one map from the NWMC series approved for ASL during the last few seasons. Congrats KD_MAN!
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1537 Posts
January 02 2023 17:41 GMT
#4
Yeah should be interesting!!!
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
January 02 2023 17:52 GMT
#5
I hope we get 76 on ladder. I like the stacked fastest mineral fields, lol
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
January 02 2023 18:20 GMT
#6
Does the starting mineral description for 76 mean it has 10 stacked patches worth 100 minerals each or 10 stacked patches which are in total worth 100 minerals? Google translate only gets me so far
Mine gas, build tanks.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6868 Posts
January 02 2023 18:28 GMT
#7
Im suprise to see HBR back tbh. maybe they were missing some strong terran map.
ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
797 Posts
January 02 2023 18:40 GMT
#8
On January 03 2023 03:20 Akio wrote:
Does the starting mineral description for 76 mean it has 10 stacked patches worth 100 minerals each or 10 stacked patches which are in total worth 100 minerals? Google translate only gets me so far


If you have discord, you can check out the map file here in the BWMN discord server where foreign and Korean mapmakers post their work.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
January 02 2023 20:15 GMT
#9
On January 03 2023 03:40 ox.tQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 03:20 Akio wrote:
Does the starting mineral description for 76 mean it has 10 stacked patches worth 100 minerals each or 10 stacked patches which are in total worth 100 minerals? Google translate only gets me so far


If you have discord, you can check out the map file here in the BWMN discord server where foreign and Korean mapmakers post their work.

Thank you so much
Mine gas, build tanks.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8168 Posts
January 02 2023 20:19 GMT
#10
So they decided to skip ASTL? Were the ratings not as good for that or something?
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
January 02 2023 20:43 GMT
#11
On January 03 2023 03:20 Akio wrote:
Does the starting mineral description for 76 mean it has 10 stacked patches worth 100 minerals each or 10 stacked patches which are in total worth 100 minerals? Google translate only gets me so far


It has 10 stacked fields with 100 each
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1709 Posts
January 02 2023 20:49 GMT
#12
Can someone please post images here of the maps
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tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3702 Posts
January 02 2023 23:27 GMT
#13
On January 03 2023 05:49 ShowTheLights wrote:
Can someone please post images here of the maps

They're all on the site in the OP: https://910map.tistory.com/category/ASL/ASL 시즌 15
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3151 Posts
January 03 2023 00:22 GMT
#14
[image loading]

76 takes turn to become the weird map of this season, but this time it seems like we'll get the good type of weird instead of the shit type of weird that is Arkanoid.

Apparently the ramp leading to the natural only allows small units to go through (so no Tanks, Dragoons, etc.), making the main a quasi-island. Meanwhile the base in the back is a full island, but workers get access to it during the first minute of the game.

It may not be a big problem in TvZ, but Terran for sure will ban this map for TvP lmao.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-03 02:21:19
January 03 2023 02:20 GMT
#15
On January 03 2023 09:22 TMNT wrote:
[image loading]

76 takes turn to become the weird map of this season, but this time it seems like we'll get the good type of weird instead of the shit type of weird that is Arkanoid.

Apparently the ramp leading to the natural only allows small units to go through (so no Tanks, Dragoons, etc.), making the main a quasi-island. Meanwhile the base in the back is a full island, but workers get access to it during the first minute of the game.

It may not be a big problem in TvZ, but Terran for sure will ban this map for TvP lmao.


Recalls can be prevented to the semi island main and the island natural expansion, but carriers seem like a bit of a yikes on this map. The semi island main also lets zealots in, but not vultures.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-03 02:49:45
January 03 2023 02:23 GMT
#16
On January 03 2023 05:43 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 03:20 Akio wrote:
Does the starting mineral description for 76 mean it has 10 stacked patches worth 100 minerals each or 10 stacked patches which are in total worth 100 minerals? Google translate only gets me so far


It has 10 stacked fields with 100 each


They are hallucinated so they only last ~55 seconds I believe.

The idea behind the stacked minerals is it allows for players to FE to the island quickly. It will also open the door for really fast timings like an insane 4 pool which shouldn’t be too broken because the ramp is easily walled with one zealot. The map is a submission for nwmc3 as a remake of the classic map 815.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50861 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-03 06:12:06
January 03 2023 06:09 GMT
#17
If I recall correctly last time HBR was used in a tournament was SSL11, I believe terran went 1-10 on the map over the course of it?

wonder how the map will go this time around.

oh wow retro is just tighter FS.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3151 Posts
January 03 2023 09:01 GMT
#18
On January 03 2023 11:20 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 09:22 TMNT wrote:
[image loading]

76 takes turn to become the weird map of this season, but this time it seems like we'll get the good type of weird instead of the shit type of weird that is Arkanoid.

Apparently the ramp leading to the natural only allows small units to go through (so no Tanks, Dragoons, etc.), making the main a quasi-island. Meanwhile the base in the back is a full island, but workers get access to it during the first minute of the game.

It may not be a big problem in TvZ, but Terran for sure will ban this map for TvP lmao.


Recalls can be prevented to the semi island main and the island natural expansion, but carriers seem like a bit of a yikes on this map. The semi island main also lets zealots in, but not vultures.

Doubt TvP gets to Carriers on this map, but the biggest problem for Terran is how do you get all those Factory units out on the map? Dropship is the obvious answer but no way mass dropship can compete with mass shuttle.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden535 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-03 09:55:10
January 03 2023 09:36 GMT
#19
Best ASL map pool ever.

Terran's will most likely open 2 port wraith TvP on 76, as all gases on the map are either behind island or "semi-island" bases. Not sure how to follow that up, but i think drop ships are the only option.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4252 Posts
January 03 2023 09:38 GMT
#20
I just hope for some good games.

Looks like this map pool might deliver a lot of them..

But we will see
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3472 Posts
January 03 2023 14:29 GMT
#21
On January 03 2023 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Im suprise to see HBR back tbh. maybe they were missing some strong terran map.


same, I m not a fan of this choice.
Also 76 is a remake of 815, which was considered an extremely unbalanced map. So we ll see whether the changes made it better...
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1533 Posts
January 04 2023 13:58 GMT
#22
Terran could go for Facts on the low ground on 76. Protoss will run into the same issue with getting their Goons out. Zerg seems least impeded by this, but in turn cannot us their 2nd Hatch to produce Lings if they decide to go for the quick island base…
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51584 Posts
January 04 2023 20:47 GMT
#23
On January 03 2023 01:44 ox.tQ wrote:
Not that many people care, but do we know who is the creator of (2) Shin Danjang's Ridge 2.2? Curious because the map creator name is missing.


[Ragnarok]Valkyrie/Kim Jin-tae, he's been making maps since the dawn of time.
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afreecaTV.Char
Profile Joined December 2014
United States339 Posts
January 04 2023 21:09 GMT
#24
On January 03 2023 05:19 Ideas wrote:
So they decided to skip ASTL? Were the ratings not as good for that or something?


ASTL stopped due to the University League content created by streamers.
Former AfreecaTV Esports Manager (2014-2024)
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1306 Posts
January 04 2023 21:55 GMT
#25
Any word on when ASL 15 could start?
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afreecaTV.Char
Profile Joined December 2014
United States339 Posts
January 05 2023 00:02 GMT
#26
On January 05 2023 06:55 Chosi wrote:
Any word on when ASL 15 could start?


It should start shortly after ACS, which is later this month. So ASL15 will likely start in February, unless something changes.
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CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1905 Posts
January 05 2023 09:33 GMT
#27
will flash be playing in this asl?
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ox.tQ
Profile Joined November 2010
797 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-05 18:10:41
January 05 2023 18:09 GMT
#28
On January 05 2023 05:47 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 01:44 ox.tQ wrote:
Not that many people care, but do we know who is the creator of (2) Shin Danjang's Ridge 2.2? Curious because the map creator name is missing.


[Ragnarok]Valkyrie/Kim Jin-tae, he's been making maps since the dawn of time.


Thanks! I should have consulted https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Maps/Mapmakers#[Ragnarok]Valkyrie for my answer ;p
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States729 Posts
January 06 2023 19:43 GMT
#29
I'm stoked!! I love that ASL has such varied map pools from season to season. Can't wait to watch this one unfold!
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
January 06 2023 21:33 GMT
#30
On January 05 2023 18:33 CicadaSC wrote:
will flash be playing in this asl?


Will BeSt continue to face plant in this ASL? Will Jaedong continue to step on 2 rakes at a time in this ASL? (my heart..)

w/e I'm rooting for Mini.

Cool maps. Hoping for some ggs.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 07 2023 09:26 GMT
#31
HBR and 76 - terran is fucked for sure.
sunbeams are never made like me...
MildCocoA
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)129 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-09 14:47:22
January 09 2023 14:44 GMT
#32
New maps have been upgraded to v.1.0 today. And those were added to BW Liquipedia.
(Wiki)Dark Origin
(Wiki)76
(Wiki)Retro

stambe
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria492 Posts
January 09 2023 17:14 GMT
#33
Anyone else having a problem with the maps jpg images being distorted when i open them in windows ??
Valks rulzz
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2366 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-09 19:06:26
January 09 2023 19:04 GMT
#34
You can also check the maps on repmastered.app (with replays, stats and high resolution images):

Dark Origin 0.90
New Heartbreak Ridge 2.0
Neo Sylphid 3.0
76 0.90
N e m e s i s 1.0
Retro 0.90
Vermeer SE 2.1

Some maps are not available with the newest versions as no one uploaded reps played on them yet.
https://repmastered.icza.net
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
January 11 2023 04:43 GMT
#35
I miss Odyssey
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oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2935 Posts
January 11 2023 04:51 GMT
#36
On January 03 2023 23:29 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Im suprise to see HBR back tbh. maybe they were missing some strong terran map.


same, I m not a fan of this choice.
Also 76 is a remake of 815, which was considered an extremely unbalanced map. So we ll see whether the changes made it better...


815 was such a chad map that created so many great games over its 3 season run in the OSL. I can't see how the ASL does anything but benefit by throwing in novelties like this and we should be thankful.

Does any real fan of broodwar wish things like Sparkle or Inner Coven never happened?
Fuck KeSPA.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
January 11 2023 06:16 GMT
#37
On January 11 2023 13:51 oshibori_probe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 23:29 WGT-Baal wrote:
On January 03 2023 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Im suprise to see HBR back tbh. maybe they were missing some strong terran map.


same, I m not a fan of this choice.
Also 76 is a remake of 815, which was considered an extremely unbalanced map. So we ll see whether the changes made it better...


815 was such a chad map that created so many great games over its 3 season run in the OSL. I can't see how the ASL does anything but benefit by throwing in novelties like this and we should be thankful.

Does any real fan of broodwar wish things like Sparkle or Inner Coven never happened?

Real fan of broodwar would wish StarCraft has only Fighting Spirit 1.3

And some people will wish more, StarCraft has only one unit, only one strategy, only one player.
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NotoriousSCV
Profile Joined September 2021
27 Posts
January 13 2023 10:11 GMT
#38
Very cool that Heartbreak Ridge is back I wouldn't be surprised if maps are a little more difficult for T as they are doing so well lately (who's been watching KCM, very surprising!). Retro could become a classic.

Dark Origin reminds me a little of Match Point which was an awesome map to play and watch.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-01-13 15:21:13
January 13 2023 15:18 GMT
#39
On January 11 2023 13:51 oshibori_probe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2023 23:29 WGT-Baal wrote:
On January 03 2023 03:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Im suprise to see HBR back tbh. maybe they were missing some strong terran map.


same, I m not a fan of this choice.
Also 76 is a remake of 815, which was considered an extremely unbalanced map. So we ll see whether the changes made it better...


815 was such a chad map that created so many great games over its 3 season run in the OSL. I can't see how the ASL does anything but benefit by throwing in novelties like this and we should be thankful.

Does any real fan of broodwar wish things like Sparkle or Inner Coven never happened?


Big whataboutism, if you look at the maps in the various seasons of BWCL I have been in charge of, you will find such maps as sparkle and others, including a lot of NWMC ones. To say nothing of the old WGT map pools.
As for the pro-scene, I liked those maps for the pro league (RIP), players practiced specific sniping builds on those it was great and very entertaining. And I find it cool for KCM and the like as well.

But having extremely imbalanced maps when you run into bo1 elimination matches in the group stage of an individual tournament is not the best and this is mostly my issue with such picks. Now 76 may have fixed some of the issues 815 had, and also the meta changed so it might turn out fine, but I d like some sort of pre ASL tournament where we (and the ASL staff too) could see a bunch of the maps in action and then pick from that list.

edit: or bo3 for all sets in the group stage, i d be fine with that too and weird maps
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