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ASL Map Contest - Winners Announced!

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AfreecaTV_ASL
Profile Joined May 2018
24 Posts
November 02 2019 01:11 GMT
#1
Greetings, ASL Fans!

We would like to announce the winners of our ASL Map Contest!

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Congratulations to the winners, and thank you, everyone, for your interest and passion for this event.

If you want to try out the winners' maps, you can download the map files HERE

Sincerely,
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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
November 02 2019 01:32 GMT
#2
Excited to see Inner Coven, although I have no idea how it'll play out. An yeah.. more boring standard maps I guess.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
November 02 2019 01:43 GMT
#3
Nice! Looking forward to seeing Karma_TF played on the professional level. Congrats to the winners!
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3454 Posts
November 02 2019 02:09 GMT
#4
Inner Coven's sick.
DWeb/egg hallways hell yeah.
Grats to the winners!
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mAziciAn
Profile Joined October 2019
Korea (South)29 Posts
November 02 2019 04:40 GMT
#5
Thanks to ASL !! I didn't expect award..
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51439 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 07:43:42
November 02 2019 07:42 GMT
#6
there's no guarantees we'll see all three maps in the next season of the asl right, just all are considered to be part of the pool - correct?

edit: looking at it that way, i hope polypoid/karma outright replace fs/cb.
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-02 11:38:44
November 02 2019 11:34 GMT
#7
I like the result :p Actually having Inner Coven in an ASL would be interesting, although the most I dare to hope realistically is that it can guide the way to more stable island maps some two or three iterations down the road. It's still too much uncharted territory and speculation in that area, but I hope Afreeca is staying true to their map crazy maps policies and going down that road (while not overcrowding their map pool with potentially balance breaking stuff!).

FS/CB is Blizzard's stale map policy. Afreeca has long moved on, so no danger of that in ASL.

Polypoid and Karma are just so very similar. If I had to chose I'd go with Karma right now. It's better executed in many aspects. I particularly like that it's the only one of the finalist maps with well-designed ramps (apart from a little blind spot on the top right main ramp, probably just an oversight). Only has some mining issues.
If I were to suggest any changes to either of these I would say more attention should be put on how units move between the naturals. It's always good to have multiple equidistant routes around the map. Pathing right now seems to be focussed to much on the sides and even through the third bases rather than guiding units towards the middle.
sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
November 02 2019 14:29 GMT
#8
On November 02 2019 20:34 Freakling wrote:
I like the result :p Actually having Inner Coven in an ASL would be interesting, although the most I dare to hope realistically is that it can guide the way to more stable island maps some two or three iterations down the road. It's still too much uncharted territory and speculation in that area, but I hope Afreeca is staying true to their map crazy maps policies and going down that road (while not overcrowding their map pool with potentially balance breaking stuff!).

FS/CB is Blizzard's stale map policy. Afreeca has long moved on, so no danger of that in ASL.

Polypoid and Karma are just so very similar. If I had to chose I'd go with Karma right now. It's better executed in many aspects. I particularly like that it's the only one of the finalist maps with well-designed ramps (apart from a little blind spot on the top right main ramp, probably just an oversight). Only has some mining issues.
If I were to suggest any changes to either of these I would say more attention should be put on how units move between the naturals. It's always good to have multiple equidistant routes around the map. Pathing right now seems to be focussed to much on the sides and even through the third bases rather than guiding units towards the middle.



I voted for coven, and flightpath, although I was more looking forward to seeing some games on flightpath as an interesting island map. I also voted karma, because the open middle allows good battles/engagements.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
November 02 2019 18:37 GMT
#9
Congrats Freakling!
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Excalibur
Profile Joined September 2009
United States58 Posts
November 03 2019 02:46 GMT
#10
Any time a Freaky map wins I'm happy. Congrats my dude.

I still think there are some real problems with how maps are selected and analyzed across the board, but Afreeca seem to be one of the only ones headed in the right direction, albeit not as far or as fast as I would like to see.

Hopefully they continue to move toward less standard and stale maps while maintaining vigilance on often overlooked problems or technical details that become apparent during play.
Whats a 4pool?
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-03 08:56:49
November 03 2019 08:50 GMT
#11
Big Congratz to Freakling!

2 out of 3 that I've voted for are in.. But I have to say i'm still kinda not content, because I really wanted Fatal Combat to make it.. But I have to say i'm still kinda not content, because I really wanted Fatal Combat to make it.. And two out of three of these maps are very similar to eachother.. I would go with Karma from these 2 tbh. Looks more interesting.

Anyways, I Can't wait to see some professional games on these.

ASL > KSL every day, any day.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-03 08:57:06
November 03 2019 08:56 GMT
#12
double post, sorry..
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
November 03 2019 13:08 GMT
#13
Congrats to the map makers. Thanks to all those who participated too!
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
November 03 2019 19:19 GMT
#14
Yessss freakling the bw mapping bonjwa!
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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
November 03 2019 20:31 GMT
#15
When nightmarjoo comes back from the dead to congratulate you, you know you’ve made it.

Congrats :3
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5545 Posts
November 03 2019 22:13 GMT
#16
Any chance we can see some Afreeca map testing tournament? ^___^
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
November 04 2019 06:13 GMT
#17
Just noticed in game, but the disruption webs appear to be above air units, like overlords. Was that intentional?
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
November 04 2019 06:21 GMT
#18
Also a fun fact I never knew before until just now playing around on Inner Coven: infested terrans can still explode under disruption web!
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Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 04 2019 09:26 GMT
#19
On November 04 2019 15:13 StRyKeR wrote:
Just noticed in game, but the disruption webs appear to be above air units, like overlords. Was that intentional?
Pre-placed DWebs behave a bit different than normal cast DWebs.

On November 04 2019 15:21 StRyKeR wrote:
Also a fun fact I never knew before until just now playing around on Inner Coven: infested terrans can still explode under disruption web!


Really?! Strange. Have to try that.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 04 2019 09:32 GMT
#20
also spider mines can activate and blow up stuff under web afaik.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 04 2019 11:01 GMT
#21
On November 04 2019 18:32 ggsimida wrote:
also spider mines can activate and blow up stuff under web afaik.

No they cannot.
Scarabs still explode, though
ZugzwangSC
Profile Joined October 2019
87 Posts
November 05 2019 19:47 GMT
#22
Congrats to [BWMN] Freakling, KM and mAziciAn!!

May the artistry of map design live on.
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
November 06 2019 03:50 GMT
#23
On November 04 2019 20:01 Freakling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2019 18:32 ggsimida wrote:
also spider mines can activate and blow up stuff under web afaik.

No they cannot.
Scarabs still explode, though


o my mistake, they DO blow up stuff under web if they activate outside of the web. they can't activate inside web
JakePlissken
Profile Joined August 2018
55 Posts
November 06 2019 22:08 GMT
#24
RIP Flightpath and Fatal Combat. Long live the FS/CB/Sylphid clone treadmill
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
November 06 2019 22:12 GMT
#25
On November 07 2019 07:08 JakePlissken wrote:
RIP Flightpath and Fatal Combat. Long live the FS/CB/Sylphid clone treadmill


hmm mkay buddy what did you smoke>? they are NOT clones of fs/cb/sylphid
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
November 06 2019 22:37 GMT
#26
On November 07 2019 07:08 JakePlissken wrote:
RIP Flightpath and Fatal Combat. Long live the FS/CB/Sylphid clone treadmill

only problem is that Karma and Polypoid are very similar..

everything else is cool and dandy
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Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
November 06 2019 22:47 GMT
#27
now i just need to find out when ASL exactly is....
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
November 07 2019 04:34 GMT
#28
congrats freakling! well deserved 1st place
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
November 07 2019 08:30 GMT
#29
On November 07 2019 07:37 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2019 07:08 JakePlissken wrote:
RIP Flightpath and Fatal Combat. Long live the FS/CB/Sylphid clone treadmill

only problem is that Karma and Polypoid are very similar..

everything else is cool and dandy

yeah i wish one of the 4 player map was swapped out.. fatal combat seemed like a ride of valkyries 2.0, was really looking forward to that map
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bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
November 07 2019 09:25 GMT
#30
What difference between Karma_TF and Poly?
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4187 Posts
November 07 2019 17:19 GMT
#31
On November 07 2019 17:30 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2019 07:37 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On November 07 2019 07:08 JakePlissken wrote:
RIP Flightpath and Fatal Combat. Long live the FS/CB/Sylphid clone treadmill

only problem is that Karma and Polypoid are very similar..

everything else is cool and dandy

yeah i wish one of the 4 player map was swapped out.. fatal combat seemed like a ride of valkyries 2.0, was really looking forward to that map

Yeah.. my thoughts exactly.

1x 3 player / 1x 2 player / 1x 4 player map would be ideal

I would love to watch some games on Fatal Combat
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 07 2019 19:14 GMT
#32
Congrats to the winners and freakling. A map in ASL and a map in KSL! What more could you possibly ask for?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
JakePlissken
Profile Joined August 2018
55 Posts
November 07 2019 20:18 GMT
#33
Karma and Polypoid are basically copies of Gladiator, I misspoke earlier but that's what they are. Same basic 16 base layout, with 9 mineral mains and 7 mineral naturals with an adjacent mineral only, with 12-3-6-9 o'clock fourth bases and the same symmetry. Polypoid even has the same high-ground-to-unpathable terrain as Gladiator and Eddy, just in slightly different spots. Take a 10 year old map, add an extra ramp here, some high ground there, and that's all it takes to get your map into a starleague these days. It's just my opinion, but throwing all the "standard" map features into a blender and getting some mix of generic 4 player map features is not good map design. It's bad for the viewers too, since we don't get to see pros play on the ladder maps we actually play, nor do we get to see something unique and innovative on an interesting new map.

It's not that remaking old maps is a problem. Fatal Combat is just a rework of Ride of the Valkyries, but that map hasn't been played competitively since 2005, and we have no idea how the pros of today would adapt to it. Meanwhile, the entire modern meta was developed on standard 4p maps, and there's nowhere to go but down balance-wise. There's two ways to look at it: either show us innovative new maps to watch how pro players develop new strategies, or show us the maps we're actually going to play on ladder so we can learn from the pros.

I should say though that these maps aren't entirely dull and uninspired. Polypoid has Rhynadons that wander through the bases and block your buildings and expansions, forcing you to send units there to kill them. Don't you love it when your fourth base is delayed by 12 seconds because you had to wait for your worker to kill a critter? Maybe they did it just to give Brood War's top professionals the authentic 2009 experience of being behind at random due to bad map design.
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1529 Posts
November 19 2019 15:37 GMT
#34
Yay, my stuff finally arrived :D
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
November 19 2019 20:56 GMT
#35
On November 20 2019 00:37 Freakling wrote:
Yay, my stuff finally arrived :D


Sick!!
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sntct
Profile Joined February 2018
100 Posts
November 30 2019 05:02 GMT
#36
What date ASL start?
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-30 09:35:44
November 30 2019 09:34 GMT
#37
maps
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2268 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-30 10:15:42
November 30 2019 10:15 GMT
#38
gratz freakling !
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zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-30 17:59:20
November 30 2019 17:57 GMT
#39
Of the maps that did not get in, I really like the look of Flight Path and Winding Road. I'm a little sad that neither of them will be considered anymore for this season. Although having both Flight Path and Inner Coven would be too many island maps, excluding one of them this early seems to reduce the chances that some island map will be picked.
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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines538 Posts
December 03 2019 09:14 GMT
#40
is there a link to the bigger pictures of the 3 maps?
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Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-04 18:40:57
December 04 2019 18:40 GMT
#41
Seems like Larva vs some protoss on Inner Coven from 18th November: youtube
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66158 Posts
December 10 2019 07:55 GMT
#42
so when does new ASL season start? i want to see some games on the maps

also thanks amanebak for the link!
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-10 10:54:16
December 10 2019 10:18 GMT
#43

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