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seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-07 22:17:46
October 07 2019 22:15 GMT
#1
Let's start a thread discussing draws in Broodwar.

(Wiki)Stalemate

v - Shine vs eOnzErG in (Wiki)Brood War 20th Anniversary LAN comes to mind. Easy to imagine a scenario where one zerg has no buildings except a pool or a gas and mutas vs a zerg that has spores but can't mine.

v - DT vs DT where both lose mains and don't have enough to make nexus, but block ramp to another base with dt and make a pylon behind it.

v? Can't draw due to tanks/yamato i think.

here's a rare v draw: cdn.discordapp.com

v I've seen it get close with toss turtling with Mass Dark archon waiting for zerg to mine out, but it's always ended with a win for one of them.

v never seen one.

Share replays/vods.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 07 2019 22:34 GMT
#2
(P)JangBi vs (T)Flash on Blue Storm was an amazing stalemate.
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tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada421 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-07 23:43:18
October 07 2019 22:42 GMT
#3
Free vs Larva
(75 minute long game)
VOD


Larva vs Jaedong
VOD

Also all known KESPA draws here:
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/169019-book-of-records
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19258 Posts
October 08 2019 00:20 GMT
#4
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/169019-book-of-records
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 08 2019 01:04 GMT
#5
On October 08 2019 07:34 Qikz wrote:
(P)JangBi vs (T)Flash on Blue Storm was an amazing stalemate.

That was pretty funny how they were both scratching their heads in the end, not sure what to do

If this happens on ladder do you have to leave your computer running and go to bed?
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-08 02:05:34
October 08 2019 02:03 GMT
#6
On October 08 2019 09:20 BisuDagger wrote:
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/169019-book-of-records


This answers it

some near misses not in that thread (e.g. stork vs ggplay is in that thread as long broadcast game)

yeongjae (Jyj) vs ggaemo could have gotten a draw if situation was slightly different (tvz)
https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/games/50210_ggaemo_vs_JyJ/vod

forgg vs mini could have been a tie (pvt) KSL3
https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/games/233776_ForGG_vs_Mini/vod


Personally, i think firebathero vs jaehoon was pretty close to running into a tie scenario, but it was a pretty decisive victory for the winner at the end
https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/games/31186_firebathero_vs_Jaehoon/vod

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seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
October 08 2019 04:26 GMT
#7
I want replays too.Players of any level. I can say I've been in only 2 draws myself in over who knows how many games. Both were PvT and they were about 9 years apart.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-08 06:07:27
October 08 2019 06:04 GMT
#8
i can only remember two that i've had. a zvz where we each just had a few lings and a sunk, and a zvp vs... i think arcology? where the map was mined out and our remaining units couldn't breaks sunkens/cannons

edit: on ladder this seems like a clear occasion to gg and type 'has left the game' and see if they leave
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 08 2019 06:55 GMT
#9
ladder by now should have /offerdraw function or option available. even competitive pokemon has implemented that recently.

oh wait too busy implementing team matchmaking /s
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
October 08 2019 07:26 GMT
#10
On October 08 2019 15:55 ggsimida wrote:
ladder by now should have /offerdraw function or option available. even competitive pokemon has implemented that recently.

oh wait too busy implementing team matchmaking /s


Or custom colors in unranked games...
Broodwar for life!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 08 2019 07:30 GMT
#11
On October 08 2019 16:26 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2019 15:55 ggsimida wrote:
ladder by now should have /offerdraw function or option available. even competitive pokemon has implemented that recently.

oh wait too busy implementing team matchmaking /s


Or custom colors in unranked games...


One of these is not like the other. Colour functionality has been in forever but there was no way to pick manually hence the new UI option. One requires a matchmaking algorithm and is something that has never existed so it takes much more work to get working and after the backlash when 1v1 came out I can imagine they're trying to get it perfect before releasing anything.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8290 Posts
October 08 2019 09:59 GMT
#12
On October 08 2019 16:26 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2019 15:55 ggsimida wrote:
ladder by now should have /offerdraw function or option available. even competitive pokemon has implemented that recently.

oh wait too busy implementing team matchmaking /s


Or custom colors in unranked games...

Heeeyyy ! custom colors are very nice ! i like magenta

as for draw games , remember rock vs chalrenge?
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odeSSa
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden198 Posts
October 08 2019 10:03 GMT
#13
I remember a cool game where the DT situation was happening, but one player had 3 DT:s and managed to sqeeze by the opponents blocking DT by merging two of his into a dark archon.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 08 2019 10:43 GMT
#14
On October 08 2019 19:03 odeSSa wrote:
I remember a cool game where the DT situation was happening, but one player had 3 DT:s and managed to sqeeze by the opponents blocking DT by merging two of his into a dark archon.


Yeah, one would say "That play was pimp!".



(Wiki)Pimpest Plays/2004

eXeCuToR (P) vs. Textbook (P)

""Many games are won by only the bare will not to accept the situation. In this game a draw is in the air, as both are mined out and have no detection left, but a couple of Dark Templars. Textbook warps in a Pylon and blocks the ramp with one of his Dark Templars. eXeCuToR gathers three of his own DTs right below this blockade and morphs them into an Dark Archon, which is a fat unit. The morphing process screws up the AI of the hold-position DT blocking, thus giving enough space for the third waiting Dark Templar.
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odeSSa
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden198 Posts
October 08 2019 10:51 GMT
#15
On October 08 2019 19:43 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2019 19:03 odeSSa wrote:
I remember a cool game where the DT situation was happening, but one player had 3 DT:s and managed to sqeeze by the opponents blocking DT by merging two of his into a dark archon.


Yeah, one would say "That play was pimp!".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00l7BvBApQE

(Wiki)Pimpest Plays/2004

eXeCuToR (P) vs. Textbook (P)

""Many games are won by only the bare will not to accept the situation. In this game a draw is in the air, as both are mined out and have no detection left, but a couple of Dark Templars. Textbook warps in a Pylon and blocks the ramp with one of his Dark Templars. eXeCuToR gathers three of his own DTs right below this blockade and morphs them into an Dark Archon, which is a fat unit. The morphing process screws up the AI of the hold-position DT blocking, thus giving enough space for the third waiting Dark Templar.


Yeah that's the one! God i miss the pimpest play days!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28685 Posts
October 08 2019 11:18 GMT
#16
there was a period in 1998 where draws were fairly common in pvp. Everybody played the old map 'gauntlet', and everybody rushed for reaver drops. (this was pre-brood war and different resource costs, build times, and scarabs fired instantly after you dropped a reaver). So games where both players lost all probes and only had reavers remaining happened with some frequency.

Had more draws during that one ladder season than I've had for the other 21 years of bw I think. :D
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seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-08 13:30:52
October 08 2019 13:30 GMT
#17
On October 08 2019 10:04 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2019 07:34 Qikz wrote:
(P)JangBi vs (T)Flash on Blue Storm was an amazing stalemate.

That was pretty funny how they were both scratching their heads in the end, not sure what to do

If this happens on ladder do you have to leave your computer running and go to bed?



some months ago there was a game between an off-racing Future as terran and a Protoss on ladder. It was BBS vs proxy 2 gate. future killed the protoss nexus and many if not all his probes while losing his entire base minus the command center, which he floated. Eventually protoss killed the bunkers that future had made to bunker rush his nexus and we were left with a draw where Terran couldn't mine because it couldn't land the command center and protoss simply had no probes/nexus. Neither refused to leave the game so future went to sleep, woke up 8 hours later, landed the command center at a base that had no zealots and won the game vs an afk opponent. :D
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-08 13:52:41
October 08 2019 13:46 GMT
#18
in thousands and thousands of bw and sc2 games i have NEVER had a stalemate. it is truly the unicorn of starcraft
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edit: MAYBE one. still. and i don't think it was a true stalemate i just didn't want to attack a vil o
get rich or die mining
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
October 09 2019 01:49 GMT
#19
On October 08 2019 20:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
there was a period in 1998 where draws were fairly common in pvp. Everybody played the old map 'gauntlet', and everybody rushed for reaver drops. (this was pre-brood war and different resource costs, build times, and scarabs fired instantly after you dropped a reaver). So games where both players lost all probes and only had reavers remaining happened with some frequency.

Had more draws during that one ladder season than I've had for the other 21 years of bw I think. :D

Lost Temple was being played a lot back then as well, and with terrans floating a CC to the island it was not rare to have draws or stalemates there as well
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Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
October 09 2019 02:47 GMT
#20
I’ve had two draws, both very similar situation pvt where I went 9/9 proxy and killed all scvs but lost all my probes to a vulture and we both had no money. Had no goons, so he lifted buildings and we both went afk. Woke up to see that my internet DC’d several hours in.

There really needs to be a feature added that allows players to offer stalemate if certain conditions are met in the game.
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