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Hey gang.
So, like many of you, I enjoy both Brood War and Starcraft 2 equally. Both totally have their merits, but that's not what this is about.
I'm finding it strange that, with Serral winning WCS, there's an article up the next day about him winning, and a nice, succint writeup.
However, for FlaSh winning his FOURTH ASL, there's barely any content on the site about it.
Is there any reason for this? I mean, if a writer is writing one of those big amazing articles about FlaSh, then that'd be totally plausable, but I find it strange that SC2 gets a LOT more play on here than Brood War. I'm not complaining, I just wondered if anyone could shed a little light
Thanks!
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Well BigFan recently stepped down as the BW Editor-in-Chief, and that has affected the level of content on the BW side.
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I hope Ty2 writes occasional content. I like that he is a decent Zerg. That is pretty rare.
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Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing.
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To be fair, Flash winning a BW tournament and Serral winning a foreigner WCS tournament are about equally unsurprising.
To answer OP's original question, yeah, the BW community is just quite a bit smaller and more self-driven. I think most would agree that nobody's expecting to bring a bunch of new viewership back into BW, and all the consistent viewers will be hyped/ready to watch regardless of whether there are celebratory articles, so there's much less incentive. At least we still get previews and short recaps within the previews, I honestly enjoy those a ton and appreciate every bit we get 
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There's a lot more money flowing into SC2 via tournaments at the moment compared to BW. I think that's the reason that there's more focus on SC2 from TL's side.
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This does seem a bit unfair, they have to rely on this one weekend's worth of traffic for the circuit event, and it's mostly just a summary/spoiler article. ASL arguably gets better preview posts than GSL let alone circuit events on a regular basis, so they probably do have something bigger planned than just a summary post of Flash's 4th and final title. But other than not briefly summarizing a 4-0 final on the front page, ASL was up there pretty much the rest of the time otherwise.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
The BW team needs more writers and staff and I believe if you're interested in contributing they'll be happy to talk to you about it!
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United States10141 Posts
I'll make a comment just to have transparency with how writing works a bit. We all contribute out time accordingly based upon what we have to do in real life. Some people are too busy, some people end up leaving or taking a hiatus, it just happens. Not everyone can always been putting in their max time writing articles, it doesn't put food on the table sadly and there are just other things that are important to do with our lives.
A few years ago, I want to say like 2016-2017, we had a lot of articles flying out and content that was pretty solid. Led by Bigfan, I would say the main core of writers was Bisudagger, myself, Blind-Rawr, cerberus, and amazingxkcd. Graphics of course was/is still v1. I'd say for the most part we did a decent job of letting the writers write, and Bigfan would edit where he saw fit. Good system.
As time takes it's toll on all of us, things change. BD started a family and had lildagger, cerb I believe focused on school/employment (haven't heard from him in a while tbh), xkcd... thing's didn't work out between TL and him anymore, I went to law school, and BR is taking a step back from writing for the most part. Bigfan also stepped down from EiC because he's a dodger.
Our current writing staff is EsportsJohn as EiC, and writer team being Ziggy, Taardad, and Ty2. Ryan aka Frudgey doing an excellent job with video recaps, and then BR/BD very infrequently stepping in sometimes if the team needs help. As you can see, we went from 5 main writers who actually would usually fight over what articles to write, especially during group stages, to now 3 writers with 2 part timers. We also went from mainly only covering ASL up to ASL5, to covering the ASL, KSL, and BSL. When we only did the ASL, we had time to really sit down and cover a tournament in depth with map analysis, exclusive tournament power ranking, etc. Now our resources are spread thin, it's harder to get everyone to constantly put in work to the staff especially once writing starts becoming more of a job/duty rather than a hobby/fun. I know that writer burnout is really hit me hard.
This is why, as much shit as I get, I stress people should contribute more to the community via article writing. It's why when people start shitting on our writers that I get overly defensive because we don't have many to start, and losing any writer is always difficult. This is a community site, we're always looking for more helpers and writers, and we'll take anyone who has a passion or interest in creating content to keep this section of TLnet moving.
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content!
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Bisutopia19229 Posts
Great words Flashftw. Staff also does a ton of wiki and tlpd stuff too. Have you seen the SC2 tlpd? It has been useless for half a decade, but BW TLPD has survived. So there are hidden things BW staff has been awesome at. Also a huge shootout to V1 for the most consistent of us since the Sonic era.
Regarding article delays, we have a policy to NOT spoiler results of any tournament. Because of our smaller community, we decided a slower pace style of news press wasn't unwarranted. It would allow for our older crowd to surf TL and not have to worry about changing our ways.
Also, SC2 staff does not recap games in their prediction news articles. BW staff recaps and predicts all in one. This is due to time issue and also the quality of content put into recaps which now include awesome videos and graphics.
That being said, I almost consistently watch every game within 24 hrs now. I would be happy to post result oriented community news posts if that's something everyone would like. But we definitely need to poll this and see what the community would like.
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On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing.
Another factor IMO is that a large portion of the hardcore non-korean BW fans are from either Russia or Peru, where it used to be more diversified for whatever reason.
People from those countries don't come here a lot, and the content is not geared towards them anyway (pretty much zero latin tournament coverage, very little russian stuff). If you go to some russian or peruvian facebook page or twitch there will be dozens of people commenting/chatting at any time. The BW section just isn't going to grow without aknowledging those communities at this point.
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United States10141 Posts
On September 10 2019 09:10 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Another factor IMO is that a large portion of the hardcore non-korean BW fans are from either Russia or Peru, where it used to be more diversified for whatever reason. People from those countries don't come here a lot, and the content is not geared towards them anyway (pretty much zero latin tournament coverage, very little russian stuff). If you go to some russian or peruvian facebook page or twitch there will be dozens of people commenting/chatting at any time. The BW section just isn't going to grow without aknowledging those communities at this point.
Besides just covering those tournaments, which I think the main core of the staff is unfamiliar with, what else would you like to see from us? We'd be more than happy to have someone link us tournament links and see how big/important those are, we just need the information and the relative size/importance of the tournament.
The problem we have right now is, can we even allocate time and resources to smaller tournaments? People are already complaining about lack of content here, but our staff is short, and everyone is busy with their own lives. I understand the passion and need for content, but at some point people need to acknowledge that we have lives outside of Starcraft and cannot always slam articles out like it's our summer break and we're still in high school/college. We need more bodies, but no one is willing to step forth and actually do the work.
It's a bad cycle. People complain there's not enough content, we open staff acceptances (which btw we're open basically any time someone wants to join, just let us know and submit an article or 2 to demonstrate your writing skills), no one applies, we don't have enough people, people complain, etc.
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United States4883 Posts
On September 10 2019 00:31 Sombre wrote:
Hey gang.
So, like many of you, I enjoy both Brood War and Starcraft 2 equally. Both totally have their merits, but that's not what this is about.
I'm finding it strange that, with Serral winning WCS, there's an article up the next day about him winning, and a nice, succint writeup.
However, for FlaSh winning his FOURTH ASL, there's barely any content on the site about it.
Is there any reason for this? I mean, if a writer is writing one of those big amazing articles about FlaSh, then that'd be totally plausable, but I find it strange that SC2 gets a LOT more play on here than Brood War. I'm not complaining, I just wondered if anyone could shed a little light
Thanks!
On September 10 2019 00:39 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Well BigFan recently stepped down as the BW Editor-in-Chief, and that has affected the level of content on the BW side.
Heard. Will step things up for the community. Thank you for the feedback <3.
On September 10 2019 09:10 LG)Sabbath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Another factor IMO is that a large portion of the hardcore non-korean BW fans are from either Russia or Peru, where it used to be more diversified for whatever reason. People from those countries don't come here a lot, and the content is not geared towards them anyway (pretty much zero latin tournament coverage, very little russian stuff). If you go to some russian or peruvian facebook page or twitch there will be dozens of people commenting/chatting at any time. The BW section just isn't going to grow without aknowledging those communities at this point.
I'll look into it.
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For such an old game the coverage is great.
Thanks for your continued contributions, we appreciate your time may be more limited than it was 15 years ago due to increased real-life commitments.
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On September 10 2019 11:35 FlaShFTW wrote:
It's a bad cycle. People complain there's not enough content, we open staff acceptances (which btw we're open basically any time someone wants to join, just let us know and submit an article or 2 to demonstrate your writing skills), no one applies, we don't have enough people, people complain, etc.
Don't take it as a complaint, I don't personally need you to cover it because I can go on a spanish facebook page and read all about it (I would be interested in the russian stuff though), I was just throwing an idea out there about where the community has been going and my belief that TL has not been keeping up with the changes
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On September 10 2019 07:31 BisuDagger wrote:
Regarding article delays, we have a policy to NOT spoiler results of any tournament. Because of our smaller community, we decided a slower pace style of news press wasn't unwarranted. It would allow for our older crowd to surf TL and not have to worry about changing our ways.
I really like that. Sometimes I didn't have the time or didn't feel like it, to finish a certain tournament. And having to dodge coming on here would be a bummer.
But then again, just don't put the winner into the title either way and it's good 
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On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
I'll make a comment just to have transparency with how writing works a bit. We all contribute out time accordingly based upon what we have to do in real life. Some people are too busy, some people end up leaving or taking a hiatus, it just happens. Not everyone can always been putting in their max time writing articles, it doesn't put food on the table sadly and there are just other things that are important to do with our lives.
A few years ago, I want to say like 2016-2017, we had a lot of articles flying out and content that was pretty solid. Led by Bigfan, I would say the main core of writers was Bisudagger, myself, Blind-Rawr, cerberus, and amazingxkcd. Graphics of course was/is still v1. I'd say for the most part we did a decent job of letting the writers write, and Bigfan would edit where he saw fit. Good system.
As time takes it's toll on all of us, things change. BD started a family and had lildagger, cerb I believe focused on school/employment (haven't heard from him in a while tbh), xkcd... thing's didn't work out between TL and him anymore, I went to law school, and BR is taking a step back from writing for the most part. Bigfan also stepped down from EiC because he's a dodger.
Our current writing staff is EsportsJohn as EiC, and writer team being Ziggy, Taardad, and Ty2. Ryan aka Frudgey doing an excellent job with video recaps, and then BR/BD very infrequently stepping in sometimes if the team needs help. As you can see, we went from 5 main writers who actually would usually fight over what articles to write, especially during group stages, to now 3 writers with 2 part timers. We also went from mainly only covering ASL up to ASL5, to covering the ASL, KSL, and BSL. When we only did the ASL, we had time to really sit down and cover a tournament in depth with map analysis, exclusive tournament power ranking, etc. Now our resources are spread thin, it's harder to get everyone to constantly put in work to the staff especially once writing starts becoming more of a job/duty rather than a hobby/fun. I know that writer burnout is really hit me hard.
This is why, as much shit as I get, I stress people should contribute more to the community via article writing. It's why when people start shitting on our writers that I get overly defensive because we don't have many to start, and losing any writer is always difficult. This is a community site, we're always looking for more helpers and writers, and we'll take anyone who has a passion or interest in creating content to keep this section of TLnet moving.
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content!
I appreciate all your work guys, thank you!
Bigfan also stepped down from EiC because he's a dodger.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
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South Korea2105 Posts
youse wont be able to keep up with all the content once proleague comes back
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United States10141 Posts
On September 10 2019 23:17 JieXian wrote:hahahahahahahahahahaha
Glad you caught that
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 11 2019 00:02 Ziggy wrote:
youse wont be able to keep up with all the content once proleague comes back
It's already here. STPL or riot Ziggy!
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
I'll make a comment just to have transparency with how writing works a bit. We all contribute out time accordingly based upon what we have to do in real life. Some people are too busy, some people end up leaving or taking a hiatus, it just happens. Not everyone can always been putting in their max time writing articles, it doesn't put food on the table sadly and there are just other things that are important to do with our lives.
A few years ago, I want to say like 2016-2017, we had a lot of articles flying out and content that was pretty solid. Led by Bigfan, I would say the main core of writers was Bisudagger, myself, Blind-Rawr, cerberus, and amazingxkcd. Graphics of course was/is still v1. I'd say for the most part we did a decent job of letting the writers write, and Bigfan would edit where he saw fit. Good system.
As time takes it's toll on all of us, things change. BD started a family and had lildagger, cerb I believe focused on school/employment (haven't heard from him in a while tbh), xkcd... thing's didn't work out between TL and him anymore, I went to law school, and BR is taking a step back from writing for the most part. Bigfan also stepped down from EiC because he's a dodger.
Our current writing staff is EsportsJohn as EiC, and writer team being Ziggy, Taardad, and Ty2. Ryan aka Frudgey doing an excellent job with video recaps, and then BR/BD very infrequently stepping in sometimes if the team needs help. As you can see, we went from 5 main writers who actually would usually fight over what articles to write, especially during group stages, to now 3 writers with 2 part timers. We also went from mainly only covering ASL up to ASL5, to covering the ASL, KSL, and BSL. When we only did the ASL, we had time to really sit down and cover a tournament in depth with map analysis, exclusive tournament power ranking, etc. Now our resources are spread thin, it's harder to get everyone to constantly put in work to the staff especially once writing starts becoming more of a job/duty rather than a hobby/fun. I know that writer burnout is really hit me hard.
This is why, as much shit as I get, I stress people should contribute more to the community via article writing. It's why when people start shitting on our writers that I get overly defensive because we don't have many to start, and losing any writer is always difficult. This is a community site, we're always looking for more helpers and writers, and we'll take anyone who has a passion or interest in creating content to keep this section of TLnet moving.
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content!
While most of this is true, I would like to point out that the bolded part is completely false! I didn't step down because I was a dodger lol, but covering something for close to half a decade on top of writing articles personally, constantly trying to come up with ideas etc... is really rough and draining and it's quite easy to burn out when you are spread thin. At one point, I was writing, editing, and making graphics all for the same article.
On that note, I agree that more writers would be really great. We tried twice to recruit more folks that were passionate and willing to contribute. We got some cool folks, but more is always better to spread the work and cover more stuff constantly. It's the same with something like LRs though unlike writing an article or working on coverage, anyone can make an LR. IMO, the best LRs are the ones where someone made a paint banner because that's passion right there. You don't even need any fancy html stuff either, but I disgress.
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I don't have the time or passion to work on writing so I do what I can by showing some support
If BigFan were a car, what car would he be?
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Northern Ireland25033 Posts
As a main SC2 guy who’s quite into BW I think largely the content is fine, but that’s for my tastes.
As long as tournament previews are as good as they are I’m happy enough. Tournament recaps are a bonus, but I largely skip them.
With VoDs so easily available, Frudgey doing his highlight videos, and LR threads existing, the thing I really need written about the least is the actual tournament in recap form.
More content would be nice, but if I was to prioritise resources it would definitely be over preview and other scene flavour over recapping games that I imagine most of us will want to watch first unspoiled anyway.
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I think any of us can contribute - it's a community site so everyone can chime in and help by posting news and stuff.
Of course, we have to do it properly - and there is ton of templates and prerequisites available to use which is quite nice.
However, many times I've thought of adding some content to the liquipedia for example... but the editor is so hard to work with - all the time when I started doing such stuff I was discouraged in the middle of the process and never committed any real content.
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United States4883 Posts
On September 11 2019 20:40 BlueStar wrote:
I think any of us can contribute - it's a community site so everyone can chime in and help by posting news and stuff.
Of course, we have to do it properly - and there is ton of templates and prerequisites available to use which is quite nice.
However, many times I've thought of adding some content to the liquipedia for example... but the editor is so hard to work with - all the time when I started doing such stuff I was discouraged in the middle of the process and never committed any real content.
Liquipedia can always use more help! There's actually a Liquipedia Discord server that has all manner of people who can help you out with problems and teach you the UI if you'd like.
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On September 11 2019 22:21 EsportsJohn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2019 20:40 BlueStar wrote:
I think any of us can contribute - it's a community site so everyone can chime in and help by posting news and stuff.
Of course, we have to do it properly - and there is ton of templates and prerequisites available to use which is quite nice.
However, many times I've thought of adding some content to the liquipedia for example... but the editor is so hard to work with - all the time when I started doing such stuff I was discouraged in the middle of the process and never committed any real content. Liquipedia can always use more help! There's actually a Liquipedia Discord server that has all manner of people who can help you out with problems and teach you the UI if you'd like.
Part of my day to day job is doing such stuff.
And working with various editors - one of our systems used to work with Creol which is similar to what is used in liquipedia (if not the same - haven't checked the documentation thoroughly). When I had to work with it - I've always delegated the work to another person if possible. It's huge pain in the ass.
Modernization is needed.
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I'm largely an SC2 fan but I find myself reading a lot of the BW predictions and recaps despite this and I think that is a credit to the BW staff even though their numbers have diminished. Thank you all for your efforts .
I'd also like to say that from the Liquipedia side of things both SC2 and BW contributors are working together to update player, team and tournament pages to reflect changes in the back-end side of things and some super secret stuff that has yet to be announced. I believe there will be a push for more statistics-based stuff that is already available in the DOTA2 and CS piddies. It's been very positive.
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Personally I think the jinjinn translation videos are a REALLY welcome form of content I have enjoyed a ton as a Brood War fan recently. Nonetheless, I appreciate the TL team for continuing to do what they do
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On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing.
Yeah I moved to Reddit and died, revived, and died. I'm just doing rounds of all the old forums I was in and were active at. Still watch BW when I can, and I've generally revolved around playing it and DotA 2 for my RTS/MOBA fix.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
On September 11 2019 23:23 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Yeah I moved to Reddit and died, revived, and died. I'm just doing rounds of all the old forums I was in and were active at. Still watch BW when I can, and I've generally revolved around playing it and DotA 2 for my RTS/MOBA fix.
Hey!
It's been a while since I've seen you.
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On September 11 2019 18:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
As a main SC2 guy who’s quite into BW I think largely the content is fine, but that’s for my tastes.
As long as tournament previews are as good as they are I’m happy enough. Tournament recaps are a bonus, but I largely skip them.
With VoDs so easily available, Frudgey doing his highlight videos, and LR threads existing, the thing I really need written about the least is the actual tournament in recap form.
More content would be nice, but if I was to prioritise resources it would definitely be over preview and other scene flavour over recapping games that I imagine most of us will want to watch first unspoiled anyway.
I actually value recaps the most, since the input from high level players (eg Ty2 and Nyoken) would allow me to understand what happened and the details of each decision or observation that I would miss.
For that reason I really miss Nyoken's casts, so sad that he had to take them down 
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I'd just like to say that, as a long-time BW fan, I really appreciate the work the TL writers put into BW content. I know it's a labor of love, but know that I read every article and enjoy them immensely.
I'm sure there will be an article about Flash's final (?) round of domination. I expect it will be epic.
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konadora
Singapore66156 Posts
the writers are all volunteer writers, we never got paid but we simply did it out of passion and love for the game. so of course when real life matters crop up, sadly we have to take a step back from writing. people still update the important stuff though, like TLPD. combined with a much smaller community, its inevitable that there'll be less content to churn out :p
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On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing.
Since you are the author, I'd like to disagree with this post, not to mess with you, but to encourage people to still create some form of content - especially since you yourself wrote more than just one interesting piece on several issues.
If you compare the site to 15 years ago, your analysis should not stop by comparing the total amount of posts and posters, but the entire environment and infrastructure. Back then social media existed, but played a relatively minor role. Nowadays the so-called "digital natives" (I dislike the term, but it fits) grew up with mobile devices and social media as information hubs. Obviously the style of communication is very different there, likes, re-tweets and such are more common than just leaving a #1 or "I like that post". It also means that an original source might be spread and gets re-pasted all over different channels. This does not necessarily mean the content itself isn't wanted, it's just consumed differently. Forum culture (and blog posting) itself is anachronistic, yet something that still works surprisingly well on TL.
This doesn't mean the content isn't wanted or doesn't get readers. On the contrary, for my last bigger pieces I got still tons of upvotes and whatnot on reddit, just few answers around here. I get how that is demotivating, but hopefully writers won't stop publishing articles or write about whatever topic they like. It'd be sad to fall for the trap.
However, I'd like to encourage any "new" member of this community (anyone who joined within the last 4-6 years is new to me) to just leave a comment behind, so the author has a signal that his work pays off.
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Northern Ireland25033 Posts
On September 13 2019 14:02 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Since you are the author, I'd like to disagree with this post, not to mess with you, but to encourage people to still create some form of content - especially since you yourself wrote more than just one interesting piece on several issues. If you compare the site to 15 years ago, your analysis should not stop by comparing the total amount of posts and posters, but the entire environment and infrastructure. Back then social media existed, but played a relatively minor role. Nowadays the so-called "digital natives" (I dislike the term, but it fits) grew up with mobile devices and social media as information hubs. Obviously the style of communication is very different there, likes, re-tweets and such are more common than just leaving a #1 or "I like that post". It also means that an original source might be spread and gets re-pasted all over different channels. This does not necessarily mean the content itself isn't wanted, it's just consumed differently. Forum culture (and blog posting) itself is anachronistic, yet something that still works surprisingly well on TL. This doesn't mean the content isn't wanted or doesn't get readers. On the contrary, for my last bigger pieces I got still tons of upvotes and whatnot on reddit, just few answers around here. I get how that is demotivating, but hopefully writers won't stop publishing articles or write about whatever topic they like. It'd be sad to fall for the trap. However, I'd like to encourage any "new" member of this community (anyone who joined within the last 4-6 years is new to me) to just leave a comment behind, so the author has a signal that his work pays off.
That’s a pretty good point, as someone who actively prefers a structured forum and doesn’t really use/like Twitter and Reddit much, I hadn’t really factored in that the feedback and validation for creators is also going to be diffused across multiple platforms.
I think the forum structure it works great in a long-term community such as this. You can find old articles and re-read them from time to time, search old content easier etc, I quite regularly re-read older articles especially the long form ones about players and their legacy.
I’m only slightly older at 29 than many of the folks in the native scene, we’ve collected as many in a Facebook group as we can find as we don’t have the luxury of a big player base over here, but even then it’s really noticeable how habits and preferences have changed as social media became the main mechanism of distributing and sharing digital content.
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Northern Ireland25033 Posts
On September 13 2019 00:16 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2019 18:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
As a main SC2 guy who’s quite into BW I think largely the content is fine, but that’s for my tastes.
As long as tournament previews are as good as they are I’m happy enough. Tournament recaps are a bonus, but I largely skip them.
With VoDs so easily available, Frudgey doing his highlight videos, and LR threads existing, the thing I really need written about the least is the actual tournament in recap form.
More content would be nice, but if I was to prioritise resources it would definitely be over preview and other scene flavour over recapping games that I imagine most of us will want to watch first unspoiled anyway. I actually value recaps the most, since the input from high level players (eg Ty2 and Nyoken) would allow me to understand what happened and the details of each decision or observation that I would miss. For that reason I really miss Nyoken's casts, so sad that he had to take them down
Nyoken’s casts are down? Curses
Yeah I do agree with you on that, I think there’s a difference between a good analytical recap and just sort of a rough run through of the events. I was referring more to the latter but yes those kind of recaps are great.
I tend to consume regular sport that way, watch what I can and then the podcasts come a few days later really going in depth in areas, so yeah absolutely that kind of recap is great.
I was referring more to just ‘x beat y here’s the scores’ kind of things.
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Unfortunately this statistic doesn't say much, since the vast majority of BW content is streamed via Afreeca.
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On September 13 2019 20:37 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2019 14:02 GeckoXp wrote:On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Since you are the author, I'd like to disagree with this post, not to mess with you, but to encourage people to still create some form of content - especially since you yourself wrote more than just one interesting piece on several issues. If you compare the site to 15 years ago, your analysis should not stop by comparing the total amount of posts and posters, but the entire environment and infrastructure. Back then social media existed, but played a relatively minor role. Nowadays the so-called "digital natives" (I dislike the term, but it fits) grew up with mobile devices and social media as information hubs. Obviously the style of communication is very different there, likes, re-tweets and such are more common than just leaving a #1 or "I like that post". It also means that an original source might be spread and gets re-pasted all over different channels. This does not necessarily mean the content itself isn't wanted, it's just consumed differently. Forum culture (and blog posting) itself is anachronistic, yet something that still works surprisingly well on TL. This doesn't mean the content isn't wanted or doesn't get readers. On the contrary, for my last bigger pieces I got still tons of upvotes and whatnot on reddit, just few answers around here. I get how that is demotivating, but hopefully writers won't stop publishing articles or write about whatever topic they like. It'd be sad to fall for the trap. However, I'd like to encourage any "new" member of this community (anyone who joined within the last 4-6 years is new to me) to just leave a comment behind, so the author has a signal that his work pays off. That’s a pretty good point, as someone who actively prefers a structured forum and doesn’t really use/like Twitter and Reddit much, I hadn’t really factored in that the feedback and validation for creators is also going to be diffused across multiple platforms. I think the forum structure it works great in a long-term community such as this. You can find old articles and re-read them from time to time, search old content easier etc, I quite regularly re-read older articles especially the long form ones about players and their legacy. I’m only slightly older at 29 than many of the folks in the native scene, we’ve collected as many in a Facebook group as we can find as we don’t have the luxury of a big player base over here, but even then it’s really noticeable how habits and preferences have changed as social media became the main mechanism of distributing and sharing digital content.
Something I'll note is that while the highlight videos I create get posted here, most of my traffic actually comes from YouTube recommending my videos to people on the YouTube website.
Moreover, I also post the videos on Reddit and I definitely get traffic from there - so I guess what I'm trying to say is that my audience comes from different sources, though for the most part it's mostly people finding the videos on YouTube.
Also I don't know if this is related to anything, but I only really started making Brood War content in mid-2018. I'm so new to the scene that I doubted Flash's ability as a player and the rest of the Brood War Staff thought (maybe they still think) that I was literally insane.
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Would always be awesome to have more Brood War content!
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On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content!
I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now.
I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S.
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On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S.
Write a piece and see how it goes. Fewer excuses, more writing. 
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Northern Ireland25033 Posts
On September 15 2019 06:43 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Write a piece and see how it goes. Fewer excuses, more writing.
Some of us have crippling perfectionism to deal with!
I did write some pretty solid previews for the prestigious Team Liquid Live Report StarLeague in my day.
I do fucking love me Brood War, I really don’t know enough about the game to write anything insightful, SC2 seems to have enough writers at present
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On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing.
Doesn't it still 90% sc2? (If you include the sc2 fans that post on the bw forum as well)
I would say 95%
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United States10141 Posts
On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S.
Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen!
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TLADT24920 Posts
On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen!
Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha.
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A word to the wise - BigFan is a very different person when he's not posting on Team Liquid.
Just as a friendly heads up.
ON A MUCH MORE SERIOUS NOTE: The Brood War Staff are a bunch of (very) friendly people. If you're curious about writing for them you have nothing to lose by submitting them a piece!
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United States10141 Posts
On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha.
Fucking bo5 me right now scrub.
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United States4883 Posts
I don't know why this thread is still alive, but just want to throw in a quick pitch for anyone interested in writing with us.
If you write something and submit it to me, it will come out beautiful. You will improve as a writer. If English is your second language, your language skills will improve. I try to work with everyone closely and support them .
Gecko's right. Don't worry about whether your writing is good or bad. Just [Nike] it. #ad
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub.
Wow such an amazing FlaSh fan who doesn't even play Terran anymore.
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Northern Ireland25033 Posts
On September 15 2019 17:37 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub. Wow such an amazing FlaSh fan who doesn't even play Terran anymore.
Surely if anything it is a mark of deep respect to FlaSh, to not besmirch Terran and just leaving it to FlaSh and FlaSh alone.
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On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub.
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On September 15 2019 07:47 AntiHack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2019 00:54 Chef wrote:
Smaller community as far as I know. TL turned into a 90% SC2 site for a few years and we lost a lot of cool posters (either moved on to sc2, some other game, or just gave up on the forum). I think there's not as much interest among BW players for reports like that anyway, although when the site was larger there were lots of articles and people replied to them. I don't know the stats of how many people post in BW now vs 15 years ago, but it's probably pretty depressing. Doesn't it still 90% sc2? (If you include the sc2 fans that post on the bw forum as well) I would say 95%
Maybe. I get the impression the SC2 side and all other parts of the forum are not very active either. The community has dispersed. Due to many factors of course (too many subforums, many other choices for gaming content outside TL, original population no longer 99% students, shift in culture, antiquated mode of communication). It's still very nice to have a place to find information about upcoming tournaments, schedules, maps and interviews though. It's the best place to learn a pro has come back and is streaming again. If TL didn't exist I basically wouldn't know about ASL and KSL and I'd assume that SC had actually died completely.
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On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub.
$5 says BigFan is gonna pull a Big Dodge "Oh I only mainly play TvZ" 
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United States10141 Posts
On September 16 2019 01:13 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub. $5 says BigFan is gonna pull a Big Dodge "Oh I only mainly play TvZ"
I'll just 9 pool speed him every game. He wont know how to defend.
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i have noticed a dearth of grudge matches in the tl bw scene. would like to see more
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On September 15 2019 23:56 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub.
We still have that outstanding PvT grudge between Flash and father over eating a :pvt: emote.
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On September 16 2019 04:50 SeaKing66 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2019 23:56 Jealous wrote:On September 15 2019 15:52 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 14:45 BigFan wrote:On September 15 2019 10:19 FlaShFTW wrote:On September 15 2019 04:56 Sombre wrote:On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content! I genuinely wish I could contribute. I'm a huge, HUGE Starcraft fan. I got in at GSL Season 1 (the Fruitdealer one) and I've been hooked ever since. Sadly, I only got into Brood War around the time that the ASL started, which sucks, as, and as flowery as this might sound, I'd consider Brood War to be as close to an RTS artform as possible. I espouse my love for Brood War to ALL my friends, and try to get them into it, with all the absolutely breathtaking history surrounding it, but because it's not big and flashy, it's impossible to get people into a really old school RTS. It's all about MOBAS now. I'm not sure where I was going with this. I guess to summarise, I have a great, GREAT deal of passion for Starcraft as a franchise, but I don't have a lot of player experience, so I worry that, despite being an aspiring writer in my real life, I wouldn't be able to do justice to the INCREDIBLY high standard of content I've come to expect from Team Liquid. If there's any other ideas of how I could contribute, I'd be all ears. I visit TL once a day, every day, and have done since the origins of Code S. Send over a write up of something to EsportsJohn and we'll make it happen! We expect obviously that the articles are good, but we're not a publishing company requiring everything to be pristine. Let's make it happen! Indeed. We aren't a publishing company and not everything will be pristine, but everyone just tries their best due to passion. No one is going to win a nobel prize in literature with their writing, but half the fun is just really getting into it and sharing the experience with guys who are as passionate as you are. I had to fight hard to become the #1 flash fan among BW staff so I'm satisfied haha. Fucking bo5 me right now scrub. We still have that outstanding PvT grudge between Flash and father over eating a :pvt: emote.
Not surprised. That challenge was made when FlashFTL was still in a traumatized state. We have to be empathetic towards the psychological struggles of our fellow players.
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yeah but more grudge matches
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On September 10 2019 06:43 FlaShFTW wrote:
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TL:DR, people are busier now, the team is smaller, and there's more content out there so we can't do as much for one specific tournament you're interested in. So if you want, consider joining the team to help with content!
Pretty much this. Also BD's post right after that post.
As for my part, I was just trying to avoid the inevitable FlaSh march into his nth ASL victory. All hail the GOAT... just kidding. I was suffering from a severe lack of motivation to do anything and I was afraid what little BW knowledge I had, had eroded. Steadily I just lost touch with the great guys at BW Staff. And just focused on what I want to do career-wise and my long-distance relationship.
I did notice EffOrt 3-2'd the Turtle Terran, BigFan doing the ultimate dodge (who am I to say this though, right?) and consequently, BW Staff coming under new management, with John. LOL (I thought he was focusing on Smash lol.)
edit - BigFan lies. He is a dodger.
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On September 17 2019 06:22 Alejandrisha wrote:
yeah but more grudge matches
Who wants it
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On October 13 2019 14:34 GGzerG wrote:Who wants it
Have you shown up to one yet or what
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On September 13 2019 00:16 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2019 18:40 Wombat_NI wrote:
As a main SC2 guy who’s quite into BW I think largely the content is fine, but that’s for my tastes.
As long as tournament previews are as good as they are I’m happy enough. Tournament recaps are a bonus, but I largely skip them.
With VoDs so easily available, Frudgey doing his highlight videos, and LR threads existing, the thing I really need written about the least is the actual tournament in recap form.
More content would be nice, but if I was to prioritise resources it would definitely be over preview and other scene flavour over recapping games that I imagine most of us will want to watch first unspoiled anyway. I actually value recaps the most, since the input from high level players (eg Ty2 and Nyoken) would allow me to understand what happened and the details of each decision or observation that I would miss. For that reason I really miss Nyoken's casts, so sad that he had to take them down
That was such a bummer, Nyoken did great commentary.
Huge thanks to the staff btw. You guys have done an admirable job.
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